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Re: Nets @ Hawks| 4-02 - 7:30 

Post#181 » by GTR11 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 9:02 am

MGrand15 wrote:Marks had a ton of time to pivot and fix the mistakes on this roster. Instead we're going into the play in games with 5 centers + James Johnson + Bruce Brown on the roster. That's just unacceptable. It's game 75 and we're throwing out line ups with 3 non shooters. While Durant is being hard doubled.

Nash has been the worst coach in the league since Jim Boylen but he's also been dealt a terrible hand. The fact that we need to decide to play James Johnson or two rookies or Blake out of position in a must win game is just embarrassing. I don't care about injuries. Marks failed big time this year and I wouldn't be mad at all if he was fired for this.

I just feel for KD. The guy has shown up all season and been amazing. Now he has Kyrie sulking, James Johnson playing 30 minutes a game, Drummond trying to do way too much, rookies trying to figure out how to play, ice cold Patty, the worst defensive scheme in the league. Wtf is this.

You need to fact check things and get all your thoughts right. You got everything wrong.
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Post#182 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:45 pm

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Technically, if we win out, we might still climb up to 8th spot. (I donot see Hawks & Hornets win out but who knows..)


i dont think we will win another game this season


Not true. All bad teams left.


We have lost to bad teams all season.

We are 2-12 in back to backs. we will lose the knicks game which is a back to back.
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Post#183 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:46 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Someone tell me what the point of starting Kessler Edwards was if were going going to play Johnson 30+ minutes.

Dude is a 10th man being cast as a starter. Why is the logic here????

Hes not good! And Nash acts like hes our third best player. Its so stupid.


The logic is JJ can pass and play make lol.


He cant do anything. He sucks.


He doesnt suck. He is a great roster fit. The problem is Nash is taking an 8-10 minute part time player and making him a 30 mpg point forward
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Post#184 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:48 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:This game was a clear example on why KD and Kyrie need to humble themselves and realize that they need an actual coach with them to succeed.
They combined for 86 points and LOST.

The team looks disjointed and lost when shots aren't going down. The defensive strategy ensures that we aren't going to get stops. This is not a formula for championship basketball

Sean Marks has lost control of this situation and he needs to get it back. The first thing that needs to happen is Nash being told that he can either resign or be fired.


On a night when Dragic/Curry/Brown are out it was a given our offense would just be KD/Kyrie/Thomas going 1 on 1 for 48 minutes. We dont have plays, we dont have an offense.
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Re: Nets @ Hawks| 4-02 - 7:30 

Post#185 » by MGrand15 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 2:05 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Marks had a ton of time to pivot and fix the mistakes on this roster. Instead we're going into the play in games with 5 centers + James Johnson + Bruce Brown on the roster. That's just unacceptable. It's game 75 and we're throwing out line ups with 3 non shooters. While Durant is being hard doubled.

Nash has been the worst coach in the league since Jim Boylen but he's also been dealt a terrible hand. The fact that we need to decide to play James Johnson or two rookies or Blake out of position in a must win game is just embarrassing. I don't care about injuries. Marks failed big time this year and I wouldn't be mad at all if he was fired for this.

I just feel for KD. The guy has shown up all season and been amazing. Now he has Kyrie sulking, James Johnson playing 30 minutes a game, Drummond trying to do way too much, rookies trying to figure out how to play, ice cold Patty, the worst defensive scheme in the league. Wtf is this.

You need to fact check things and get all your thoughts right. You got everything wrong.


Enlighten us then.
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Re: Nets @ Hawks| 4-02 - 7:30 

Post#186 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:29 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Marks had a ton of time to pivot and fix the mistakes on this roster. Instead we're going into the play in games with 5 centers + James Johnson + Bruce Brown on the roster. That's just unacceptable. It's game 75 and we're throwing out line ups with 3 non shooters. While Durant is being hard doubled.

Nash has been the worst coach in the league since Jim Boylen but he's also been dealt a terrible hand. The fact that we need to decide to play James Johnson or two rookies or Blake out of position in a must win game is just embarrassing. I don't care about injuries. Marks failed big time this year and I wouldn't be mad at all if he was fired for this.

I just feel for KD. The guy has shown up all season and been amazing. Now he has Kyrie sulking, James Johnson playing 30 minutes a game, Drummond trying to do way too much, rookies trying to figure out how to play, ice cold Patty, the worst defensive scheme in the league. Wtf is this.

You need to fact check things and get all your thoughts right. You got everything wrong.


Enlighten us then.


I think too many people unfairly judge marks for the offseason moves... but you are spot on as far as his lack of moves to pivot based on how the season went down.

Also, from Marks to Nash and everything in between there seems to be a SEVERE lack of urgency to fix/patch things, even during a 10 game losing streak that saw us go from 1 seed to 8 seed.
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Post#187 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:36 pm

Fun stuff.... when Kyrie plays, we've won 10 games out of 25 games played......

When Kyrie didn't play, we're just over with 30 wins and 23 losses.

Neat O fact....
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Post#188 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:48 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:Fun stuff.... when Kyrie plays, we've won 10 games out of 25 games played......

When Kyrie didn't play, we're just over with 30 wins and 23 losses.

Neat O fact....


most of those 25 games are without KD and with or without a tanking Harden. i dont put stock in those.

the games with KD are troubling, because its barely over .500 going back to last year.

what makes it more puzzling is that with Kyrie/KD we have been outstanding vs contenders/good teams. including bucks in the playoffs and even the loss to the bucks the other night.

our record vs .500 or worse teams with Kyrie + KD is pathetic.

A healthy Simmons is key. that defense and transition guy that helps prevent losses to awful teams.

like vs. portland he shuts down anfernee simons
like vs the clippers he shuts down reggie jackson
like vs the kings he shuts down whoever that 10-day contract bum was
like vs. the wiz he shuts down ish smith
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Re: Nets @ Hawks| 4-02 - 7:30 

Post#189 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:53 pm

Prokorov wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:Fun stuff.... when Kyrie plays, we've won 10 games out of 25 games played......

When Kyrie didn't play, we're just over with 30 wins and 23 losses.

Neat O fact....


most of those 25 games are without KD and with or without a tanking Harden. i dont put stock in those.

the games with KD are troubling, because its barely over .500 going back to last year.

what makes it more puzzling is that with Kyrie/KD we have been outstanding vs contenders/good teams. including bucks in the playoffs and even the loss to the bucks the other night.

our record vs .500 or worse teams with Kyrie + KD is pathetic.

A healthy Simmons is key. that defense and transition guy that helps prevent losses to awful teams.

like vs. portland he shuts down anfernee simons
like vs the clippers he shuts down reggie jackson
like vs the kings he shuts down whoever that 10-day contract bum was
like vs. the wiz he shuts down ish smith


An actual offensive structure/system that plays to strengths and creates opportunity is a dire need for us. Simmons can only solve the defensive side for now with realistic expectations.
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Re: Nets @ Hawks| 4-02 - 7:30 

Post#190 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:05 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:Fun stuff.... when Kyrie plays, we've won 10 games out of 25 games played......

When Kyrie didn't play, we're just over with 30 wins and 23 losses.

Neat O fact....


most of those 25 games are without KD and with or without a tanking Harden. i dont put stock in those.

the games with KD are troubling, because its barely over .500 going back to last year.

what makes it more puzzling is that with Kyrie/KD we have been outstanding vs contenders/good teams. including bucks in the playoffs and even the loss to the bucks the other night.

our record vs .500 or worse teams with Kyrie + KD is pathetic.

A healthy Simmons is key. that defense and transition guy that helps prevent losses to awful teams.

like vs. portland he shuts down anfernee simons
like vs the clippers he shuts down reggie jackson
like vs the kings he shuts down whoever that 10-day contract bum was
like vs. the wiz he shuts down ish smith


An actual offensive structure/system that plays to strengths and creates opportunity is a dire need for us. Simmons can only solve the defensive side for now with realistic expectations.


I think Simmons CAN impact the offense by helping us get more transition looks. he is among the best in the league at generating both layups and three in transitions due to the amount of steals + rebound-and-go opportunities he creates. Offensively he can create open threes as well since with a small on him in the post he commands a double team.

The transition should be something to bank on, the post thing requires some kind of offensive mind/strategy like you said.

its criminal nash is coaching this level of elite talent, because he is minimizing it, Any team with KD should get a minumum of 10 wide open threes per game for roll guys
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Post#191 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:35 pm

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I think Simmons CAN impact the offense by helping us get more transition looks. he is among the best in the league at generating both layups and three in transitions due to the amount of steals + rebound-and-go opportunities he creates. Offensively he can create open threes as well since with a small on him in the post he commands a double team.

The transition should be something to bank on, the post thing requires some kind of offensive mind/strategy like you said.

its criminal nash is coaching this level of elite talent, because he is minimizing it, Any team with KD should get a minumum of 10 wide open threes per game for roll guys

Absolutely Simmons should excel and bring our transition game to actual NBA levels lol....

If the back issues are true(to me who knows the severity coined with the obvious grievance to reclaim money), how much running with that force can he do? if plausible then all good!
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Post#192 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:39 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
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I think Simmons CAN impact the offense by helping us get more transition looks. he is among the best in the league at generating both layups and three in transitions due to the amount of steals + rebound-and-go opportunities he creates. Offensively he can create open threes as well since with a small on him in the post he commands a double team.

The transition should be something to bank on, the post thing requires some kind of offensive mind/strategy like you said.

its criminal nash is coaching this level of elite talent, because he is minimizing it, Any team with KD should get a minumum of 10 wide open threes per game for roll guys

Absolutely Simmons should excel and bring our transition game to actual NBA levels lol....

If the back issues are true(to me who knows the severity coined with the obvious grievance to reclaim money), how much running with that force can he do? if plausible then all good!


who knows, but the netsdaily podcasts with that doctor make it seems like not a serious long term issue, but something that could occasionally flare up. not something that probably requires surgery. that said, our medical and perfromance teams seem awful.

the grievance doesnt matter, thats over mental health, not his back.
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Post#193 » by NetsJets » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:01 pm

What do you guys think of this. What if we start the following?

C- Claxton
PF- KD
SF- Brown
SG- Kyrie
PG- Mills

Then you bring in Seth, Drummond, Dragic, Blake, Kessler and Aldridge? I feel like we lose our leads once we bring in a bunch of non scorers off the bench.
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Post#194 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:05 pm

NetsJets wrote:What do you guys think of this. What if we start the following?

C- Claxton
PF- KD
SF- Brown
SG- Kyrie
PG- Mills

Then you bring in Seth, Drummond, Dragic, Blake, Kessler and Aldridge? I feel like we lose our leads once we bring in a bunch of non scorers off the bench.


Mills cant start. He has killed us with missed open shots the last 10 games. he needs a role reduction, not starters minutes. he has been overplayed all year.

Drummond should start. Adjust Claxtons minutes up or down based on Drummonds effectiveness on a game-by-game basis. The good version of drummond is much better then what Nic gets us, its just a questions which drummond you get.

Dragic if available needs to start. if not curry. we need a PG to run the first unit. the SG vs. of Kyrie is immensely better then the PG version of Kyrie. We also need more size at G and dragic has more of it then mills.

We could really use Bembry these days. Defense has killed us at Guard/Wing and we have little of it on the wing outside of Brown/Kyrie at times. Why cut Bembry if BOTH blake and LMA just rack up DNPs? our metrics on/off with Bembry were outstanding
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Re: Nets @ Hawks| 4-02 - 7:30 

Post#195 » by NetsJets » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:12 pm

Prokorov wrote:
NetsJets wrote:What do you guys think of this. What if we start the following?

C- Claxton
PF- KD
SF- Brown
SG- Kyrie
PG- Mills

Then you bring in Seth, Drummond, Dragic, Blake, Kessler and Aldridge? I feel like we lose our leads once we bring in a bunch of non scorers off the bench.


Mills cant start. He has killed us with missed open shots the last 10 games. he needs a role reduction, not starters minutes. he has been overplayed all year.

Drummond should start. Adjust Claxtons minutes up or down based on Drummonds effectiveness on a game-by-game basis. The good version of drummond is much better then what Nic gets us, its just a questions which drummond you get.

Dragic if available needs to start. if not curry. we need a PG to run the first unit. the SG vs. of Kyrie is immensely better then the PG version of Kyrie. We also need more size at G and dragic has more of it then mills.

We could really use Bembry these days. Defense has killed us at Guard/Wing and we have little of it on the wing outside of Brown/Kyrie at times. Why cut Bembry if BOTH blake and LMA just rack up DNPs? our metrics on/off with Bembry were outstanding

The only reason is I feel like we can get away with it because Bruce will get his just by being active etc. Mills I can understand but it’s about getting scoring and play making with our second unit, he’s still a wild card and his minutes can be reduced despite starting the game. Drummond is a better scorer and again it’s about making sure we have a solid enough second unit…
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Post#196 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:14 pm

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Prokorov wrote:
NetsJets wrote:What do you guys think of this. What if we start the following?

C- Claxton
PF- KD
SF- Brown
SG- Kyrie
PG- Mills

Then you bring in Seth, Drummond, Dragic, Blake, Kessler and Aldridge? I feel like we lose our leads once we bring in a bunch of non scorers off the bench.


Mills cant start. He has killed us with missed open shots the last 10 games. he needs a role reduction, not starters minutes. he has been overplayed all year.

Drummond should start. Adjust Claxtons minutes up or down based on Drummonds effectiveness on a game-by-game basis. The good version of drummond is much better then what Nic gets us, its just a questions which drummond you get.

Dragic if available needs to start. if not curry. we need a PG to run the first unit. the SG vs. of Kyrie is immensely better then the PG version of Kyrie. We also need more size at G and dragic has more of it then mills.

We could really use Bembry these days. Defense has killed us at Guard/Wing and we have little of it on the wing outside of Brown/Kyrie at times. Why cut Bembry if BOTH blake and LMA just rack up DNPs? our metrics on/off with Bembry were outstanding

The only reason is I feel like we can get away with it because Bruce will get his just by being active etc. Mills I can understand but it’s about getting scoring and play making with our second unit, he’s still a wild card and his minutes can be reduced despite starting the game. Drummond is a better scorer and again it’s about making sure we have a solid enough second unit…


What good is the second unit scoring if your starting unit plays the opponent to a draw because we cant get stops and our offense is KD/Kyrie taking turns?

We saw vs atlanta what that looks like.
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Post#197 » by NetsJets » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:17 pm

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NetsJets wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Mills cant start. He has killed us with missed open shots the last 10 games. he needs a role reduction, not starters minutes. he has been overplayed all year.

Drummond should start. Adjust Claxtons minutes up or down based on Drummonds effectiveness on a game-by-game basis. The good version of drummond is much better then what Nic gets us, its just a questions which drummond you get.

Dragic if available needs to start. if not curry. we need a PG to run the first unit. the SG vs. of Kyrie is immensely better then the PG version of Kyrie. We also need more size at G and dragic has more of it then mills.

We could really use Bembry these days. Defense has killed us at Guard/Wing and we have little of it on the wing outside of Brown/Kyrie at times. Why cut Bembry if BOTH blake and LMA just rack up DNPs? our metrics on/off with Bembry were outstanding

The only reason is I feel like we can get away with it because Bruce will get his just by being active etc. Mills I can understand but it’s about getting scoring and play making with our second unit, he’s still a wild card and his minutes can be reduced despite starting the game. Drummond is a better scorer and again it’s about making sure we have a solid enough second unit…


What good is the second unit scoring if your starting unit plays the opponent to a draw because we cant get stops and our offense is KD/Kyrie taking turns?

We saw vs atlanta what that looks like.

We didn’t even have Bruce Brown and imo it’s better to play to draw and then have a second unit that can go on a run to give us a lead. Verses getting a big lead early and watching it go away with the second unit.
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Post#198 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:28 pm

NetsJets wrote:What do you guys think of this. What if we start the following?

C- Claxton
PF- KD
SF- Brown
SG- Kyrie
PG- Mills

Then you bring in Seth, Drummond, Dragic, Blake, Kessler and Aldridge? I feel like we lose our leads once we bring in a bunch of non scorers off the bench.


I don't mind Drummond starting but Nash needs to use drop coverage when he's in.

Mills' legs are shot, he needs to play less mins. Dragic/Kyrie should start in the backcourt
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Post#199 » by NetsJets » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:32 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
NetsJets wrote:What do you guys think of this. What if we start the following?

C- Claxton
PF- KD
SF- Brown
SG- Kyrie
PG- Mills

Then you bring in Seth, Drummond, Dragic, Blake, Kessler and Aldridge? I feel like we lose our leads once we bring in a bunch of non scorers off the bench.


I don't mind Drummond starting but Nash needs to use drop coverage when he's in.

Mills' legs are shot, he needs to play less mins. Dragic/Kyrie should start in the backcourt

Mills has been bad. And he’ll still play less minutes than say Dragic or Seth unless he has a hot shooting game.
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Post#200 » by TheNetsFan » Mon Apr 4, 2022 9:43 pm

Apparently, Dragic is symptomatic & cannot travel back to NY. He's quarantined in Atlanta for a while.

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