Official Fire Sean Marks thread

[haosmoove]

Nash being removed from his head coaching duties will tell us if Marks is serious about building a championship organization here.
He made Nash the 1st/2nd highest paid coach in the league there are no excuses. Ty lue lost his 2 stars and was winnings game and secured a playoff spot with LUKE KENNARD!!!!!! How Nash can lose 10+ straight games and never be on the hot seat is still the greatest mystery this season. No coach in professional sports could lose that many games and expect to still coach the team

It's the epitome of privilege.

He had no experience and was gifted a job that he was unqualified for and held to the lowest standards possible while being paid the highest.

You think someone like Becky Hammond or a Black coach could perform like Nash does and have job security?

Absolutely not.

This is why Sam Mitchell was going off last night on NBA TV about the Nets coaching. He knows damn well what's up.

Marks should be fired.

Many ex-players jumped the line with mix results. It's most common among PGs, especially star PGs. Magic jumped, Bird jumped, Kidd jumped, Billups & Kerr had no coaching experience (they had front office experience). How is the Nash situation any different than we put Kidd in charge with Dwill, Pierce, KG, etc.?

Nash is a white male. We are all worried about being left much more than objectivity here.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I thought you guys KILLED that sixers trade... but then Ben continued to sit.... How did that trade go through if Ben wasn't guaranteed to be ready to go on day 1? I'm an outsider that hasn't followed the situation closely. I'm assuming the FO has been asked about it. What has been their response?

I don't think they realized what kind of condition Ben was in.

Apparently he hurt his back during ramp up. But that just shows he wasn't in playing shape when the trade went through.

[thelead]

I thought you guys KILLED that sixers trade... but then Ben continued to sit.... How did that trade go through if Ben wasn't guaranteed to be ready to go on day 1? I'm an outsider that hasn't followed the situation closely. I'm assuming the FO has been asked about it. What has been their response?

I don't think they realized what kind of condition Ben was in.

Apparently he hurt his back during ramp up. But that just shows he wasn't in playing shape when the trade went through.

That’s inexcusable IMO. You can’t make that magnitude of a trade without knowing 100% that he was in game shape and ready to go. Hell, the fact that he had to ‘ramp up’ would have given me enough pause to search for another deal involving Harden. I get that you can’t plan for a setback but if Ben wasn’t ready, that should have been a red flag. No hate, just think out loud. Thanks for the input.

[Prokorov]

I thought you guys KILLED that sixers trade... but then Ben continued to sit.... How did that trade go through if Ben wasn't guaranteed to be ready to go on day 1? I'm an outsider that hasn't followed the situation closely. I'm assuming the FO has been asked about it. What has been their response?

I don't think they realized what kind of condition Ben was in.

Apparently he hurt his back during ramp up. But that just shows he wasn't in playing shape when the trade went through.

I'm sure the mental health issues were real. and he was depressed until traded with little motivation to get in the gym. which im ok with. as i am with back issues flaring up.

my issues is why are we wasting a year of KD on an unknown when it was reported several teams interested in Simmons. we could have probably had something like:

Collins + Hunter + AL picks (in addition to curry/drummond/philly picks)
Fox + Barness + SAC picks (in addition to curry/drummond/philly picks)
Haliburton + Barnes + SAC picks (in addition to curry/drummond/philly picks)

All 3 of those gives us even more draft stock with a ready to step in under 25 player who can move the needle + 2-way role guy

Kyrie
Curry
Hunter
KD
Collins

Haliburton
Kyrie
Barnes
KD
Drummond + curry off the bench

Fox
Kyrie
Barnes
KD
Drummond + curry off the bench

we might be undefeated post trade with those moves.

[Prokorov]

I thought you guys KILLED that sixers trade... but then Ben continued to sit.... How did that trade go through if Ben wasn't guaranteed to be ready to go on day 1? I'm an outsider that hasn't followed the situation closely. I'm assuming the FO has been asked about it. What has been their response?

I don't think they realized what kind of condition Ben was in.

Apparently he hurt his back during ramp up. But that just shows he wasn't in playing shape when the trade went through.

That’s inexcusable IMO. You can’t make that magnitude of a trade without knowing 100% that he was in game shape and ready to go. Hell, the fact that he had to ‘ramp up’ would have given me enough pause to search for another deal involving Harden. I get that you can’t plan for a setback but if Ben wasn’t ready, that should have been a red flag. No hate, just think out loud. Thanks for the input.

there as no other "Deal for harden"

Harden was a pending FA who wanted philly. no team is trading for an expiring harden who wont resign or commit to resigning.

Simmons was the piece the Nets were getting. you can criticize they should have found a 3rd team to take simmons, but there was no deal where its not philly/simmons as the main value.

I'm also fine if they got simmons under the assumption he wouldnt impact this season. i think id 100% rather go with Collins or Fox or Haliburton, but having a 25 year old simmons for the next 2+ seasons is a great thing to have. 16/8/8 with All-NBA defense. its not like they traded for carivs levet back or something

[Hello Brooklyn]

I thought you guys KILLED that sixers trade... but then Ben continued to sit.... How did that trade go through if Ben wasn't guaranteed to be ready to go on day 1? I'm an outsider that hasn't followed the situation closely. I'm assuming the FO has been asked about it. What has been their response?

I don't think they realized what kind of condition Ben was in.

Apparently he hurt his back during ramp up. But that just shows he wasn't in playing shape when the trade went through.

That’s inexcusable IMO. You can’t make that magnitude of a trade without knowing 100% that he was in game shape and ready to go. Hell, the fact that he had to ‘ramp up’ would have given me enough pause to search for another deal involving Harden. I get that you can’t plan for a setback but if Ben wasn’t ready, that should have been a red flag. No hate, just think out loud. Thanks for the input.

This is why I was one of the few against the trade at the time.

Simmons is a head case.

I'm not convinced he really hurt. He may just be holding out for his grievance to get paid.

I'd rather go down with Harden and the sinking ship.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I thought you guys KILLED that sixers trade... but then Ben continued to sit.... How did that trade go through if Ben wasn't guaranteed to be ready to go on day 1? I'm an outsider that hasn't followed the situation closely. I'm assuming the FO has been asked about it. What has been their response?

I don't think they realized what kind of condition Ben was in.

Apparently he hurt his back during ramp up. But that just shows he wasn't in playing shape when the trade went through.

I'm sure the mental health issues were real. and he was depressed until traded with little motivation to get in the gym. which im ok with. as i am with back issues flaring up.

my issues is why are we wasting a year of KD on an unknown when it was reported several teams interested in Simmons. we could have probably had something like:

Collins + Hunter + AL picks (in addition to curry/drummond/philly picks)
Fox + Barness + SAC picks (in addition to curry/drummond/philly picks)
Haliburton + Barnes + SAC picks (in addition to curry/drummond/philly picks)

All 3 of those gives us even more draft stock with a ready to step in under 25 player who can move the needle + 2-way role guy

Kyrie
Curry
Hunter
KD
Collins

Haliburton
Kyrie
Barnes
KD
Drummond + curry off the bench

Fox
Kyrie
Barnes
KD
Drummond + curry off the bench

we might be undefeated post trade with those moves.

Simmons was long term move.

We didn't even need Simmons.

This roster has enough talent to beat anyone.

We just have one of the worst coaches in the NBA.

[Prokorov]

I don't think they realized what kind of condition Ben was in.

Apparently he hurt his back during ramp up. But that just shows he wasn't in playing shape when the trade went through.

That’s inexcusable IMO. You can’t make that magnitude of a trade without knowing 100% that he was in game shape and ready to go. Hell, the fact that he had to ‘ramp up’ would have given me enough pause to search for another deal involving Harden. I get that you can’t plan for a setback but if Ben wasn’t ready, that should have been a red flag. No hate, just think out loud. Thanks for the input.

This is why I was one of the few against the trade at the time.

Simmons is a head case.

I'm not convinced he really hurt. He may just be holding out for his grievance to get paid.

I'd rather go down with Harden and the sinking ship.

I don't think he is getting cortizone shots and faking a back injury for his grievance, since its around mental health. He further would be both committing fraud and getting an unnecessary shot that doesnt come without risk. He has historic back issues. if he milked mental health i could see it, but not the back

I also would have prefered to wait for the offseason or re-route simmons. the path we took really wasted this year, especially when you factor in the mandate still was lifted at that time

[MrDollarBills]

Lol @ thinking someone who is faking an injury is receiving an epidural for sh*ts and giggles.

Come on now.

And please. Why are people still wishing that Harden was here? The dude quit on us and is looking like he will be the worst contract in NBA history when Morey extends him. No thanks.

Our problems have been Nash and availability across the board. Period.

[Prokorov]

We need to really hit some homeruns this offseason...

1) replace Nash. this one is easy, we cant do worse
2) Need mills to opt out + resign. he has to stay because...
3) Joe Harris needs to be traded. love the dude but we need a 2-way guy and he is the salary to match it.
4) We need to trade Cam + whatever picks (i think we can trade up to 3) for a 2-way player
5) Need 2 of Drummond/Claxton/Blake
6) Simmons needs to play in regular season game 1 next year
7) we need a vet min option better then james johnson (Gay?)
8) we need a dragic PG replacement

Kyrie
2-way guard
Simmons
KD
Drummond

PG
Curry
Mills
2-way wing
Gay
Blake

[TheNetsFan]

That’s inexcusable IMO. You can’t make that magnitude of a trade without knowing 100% that he was in game shape and ready to go. Hell, the fact that he had to ‘ramp up’ would have given me enough pause to search for another deal involving Harden. I get that you can’t plan for a setback but if Ben wasn’t ready, that should have been a red flag. No hate, just think out loud. Thanks for the input.

This is why I was one of the few against the trade at the time.

Simmons is a head case.

I'm not convinced he really hurt. He may just be holding out for his grievance to get paid.

I'd rather go down with Harden and the sinking ship.

I don't think he is getting cortizone shots and faking a back injury for his grievance, since its around mental health. He further would be both committing fraud and getting an unnecessary shot that doesnt come without risk. He has historic back issues. if he milked mental health i could see it, but not the back

I also would have prefered to wait for the offseason or re-route simmons. the path we took really wasted this year, especially when you factor in the mandate still was lifted at that time

Given the way Harden was playing, did we really waste the season? Unless people expected him to revitalize into 2021 post trade Harden when Kyrie returned full time, I'm not sure we'd be much better off than we are with Drummond & Curry.

[TheNetsFan]

For all those eager to get rid of Marks, who is the unemployed alternative that you'd replace him with, and what guarantees that he/she will be better?

[Prokorov]

This is why I was one of the few against the trade at the time.

Simmons is a head case.

I'm not convinced he really hurt. He may just be holding out for his grievance to get paid.

I'd rather go down with Harden and the sinking ship.

I don't think he is getting cortizone shots and faking a back injury for his grievance, since its around mental health. He further would be both committing fraud and getting an unnecessary shot that doesnt come without risk. He has historic back issues. if he milked mental health i could see it, but not the back

I also would have prefered to wait for the offseason or re-route simmons. the path we took really wasted this year, especially when you factor in the mandate still was lifted at that time

Given the way Harden was playing, did we really waste the season? Unless people expected him to revitalize into 2021 post trade Harden when Kyrie returned full time, I'm not sure we'd be much better off than we are with Drummond & Curry.

Go watch the Bulls game. that was right before the KD injury and a glimpse into the Harden/big three we would likely get. Having Bembry here wouldnt hurt for defensive reasons and since then Claxton has been great also. Would we be title favorites? no. But the KD/Harden Nets were good this year and the big 3 nets in the few games were world beaters.

[Prokorov]

For all those eager to get rid of Marks, who is the unemployed alternative that you'd replace him with, and what guarantees that he/she will be better?

Mike Zorren would be the obvious choice. Boston passed him up for Stevens and they likely would allow an interview reciprocating what we did for them with Ime.

Webster would be my second choice. Unless Masai leaves and he steps into the role as toronto GM.

I cant imagine either would be worse then Marks and it is a certainty neither would take the Nets job and then hire a friend as coaching passing over more qualified candidates.

its always hard to predict how a GM/Coach will do when they take over. But one thing i can guarantee is if we went with Zorren/Webster and whatever coach they hired we would be getting a qualified GM/qualified Coach combo.

[TheNetsFan]

We need to really hit some homeruns this offseason...

1) replace Nash. this one is easy, we cant do worse
2) Need mills to opt out + resign. he has to stay because...
3) Joe Harris needs to be traded. love the dude but we need a 2-way guy and he is the salary to match it.
4) We need to trade Cam + whatever picks (i think we can trade up to 3) for a 2-way player
5) Need 2 of Drummond/Claxton/Blake
6) Simmons needs to play in regular season game 1 next year
7) we need a vet min option better then james johnson (Gay?)
8) we need a dragic PG replacement

Kyrie
2-way guard
Simmons
KD
Drummond

PG
Curry
Mills
2-way wing
Gay
Blake

Disagreements:
2) That starting line-up you project needs a spacer more than a 2-way. I'd slot Harris there. Curry with Mills or Irving is too small of a backcourt. If anything, we need a 2-way guard with size off the bench. I think Mills & Curry are very redundant. If Mills picks up his option, great. I won't lose sleep over losing him (other than his vet leadership) though.
3) If you trade Harris, it needs to be for a cheaper, almost as good shooter. Your projected starting lineup really needs the gravity of an elite shooter.
4) Can't get onboard without knowing some target players first.
5) We need Blake & one of Drummond/Claxton. I expect us to go "small" (if two 7 footers can be considered small) with a KD+Simmons front court quite often. We need a rangier supplemental big in addition to Drummond/Claxton.
8) We need Dragic or a replacement (bigger PG) on a minimum contract.

[Prokorov]

Disagreements:
2) That starting line-up you project needs a spacer more than a 2-way. I'd slot Harris there. Curry with Mills or Irving is too small of a backcourt. If anything, we need a 2-way guard with size off the bench. I think Mills & Curry are very redundant. If Mills picks up his option, great. I won't lose sleep over losing him (other than his vet leadership) though.

That 2-way needs to be a 3&D guy a floor spacer I agree. That should be assumed, we cant have more non-shooters with Simmons/Drummond or claxton starting. Mill is a huge loss. He helps insulate Simmons and If curry misses time you need shooting depth.

3) If you trade Harris, it needs to be for a cheaper, almost as good shooter. Your projected starting lineup really needs the gravity of an elite shooter.

I dont think you need elite, but you need someone at 38% or so. Kyrie/KD still put 2 super elite shooters on the floor. And most 38% types will look better with open looks.

5) We need Blake & one of Drummond/Claxton. I expect us to go "small" (if two 7 footers can be considered small) with a KD+Simmons front court quite often. We need a rangier supplemental big in addition to Drummond/Claxton.

I'd love one, i dont think its realistic unless we get one in the draft who can play from jumpstreet.

8) We need Dragic or a replacement (bigger PG) on a minimum contract.

Agree. tough to find though

[MrDollarBills]

We need to really hit some homeruns this offseason...

1) replace Nash. this one is easy, we cant do worse
2) Need mills to opt out + resign. he has to stay because...
3) Joe Harris needs to be traded. love the dude but we need a 2-way guy and he is the salary to match it.
4) We need to trade Cam + whatever picks (i think we can trade up to 3) for a 2-way player
5) Need 2 of Drummond/Claxton/Blake
6) Simmons needs to play in regular season game 1 next year
7) we need a vet min option better then james johnson (Gay?)
8) we need a dragic PG replacement

Kyrie
2-way guard
Simmons
KD
Drummond

PG
Curry
Mills
2-way wing
Gay
Blake

I think Blake is gone next season thanks to Nash.

Agreed with everything else. We need a starting 3 + D wing

If Dre takes the MLE, give it to him and go over the cap to retain Claxton.

[Prokorov]

We need to really hit some homeruns this offseason...

1) replace Nash. this one is easy, we cant do worse
2) Need mills to opt out + resign. he has to stay because...
3) Joe Harris needs to be traded. love the dude but we need a 2-way guy and he is the salary to match it.
4) We need to trade Cam + whatever picks (i think we can trade up to 3) for a 2-way player
5) Need 2 of Drummond/Claxton/Blake
6) Simmons needs to play in regular season game 1 next year
7) we need a vet min option better then james johnson (Gay?)
8) we need a dragic PG replacement

Kyrie
2-way guard
Simmons
KD
Drummond

PG
Curry
Mills
2-way wing
Gay
Blake

I think Blake is gone next season thanks to Nash.

Agreed with everything else. We need a starting 3 + D wing

If Dre takes the MLE, give it to him and go over the cap to retain Claxton.

I can see Blake staying if Drummond and LMA are gone

[TheNetsFan]

We need to really hit some homeruns this offseason...

1) replace Nash. this one is easy, we cant do worse
2) Need mills to opt out + resign. he has to stay because...
3) Joe Harris needs to be traded. love the dude but we need a 2-way guy and he is the salary to match it.
4) We need to trade Cam + whatever picks (i think we can trade up to 3) for a 2-way player
5) Need 2 of Drummond/Claxton/Blake
6) Simmons needs to play in regular season game 1 next year
7) we need a vet min option better then james johnson (Gay?)
8) we need a dragic PG replacement

Kyrie
2-way guard
Simmons
KD
Drummond

PG
Curry
Mills
2-way wing
Gay
Blake

I think Blake is gone next season thanks to Nash.

Agreed with everything else. We need a starting 3 + D wing

If Dre takes the MLE, give it to him and go over the cap to retain Claxton.

I can see Blake staying if Drummond and LMA are gone

I agree, I think Blake is gone without a sizable raise & commitment. That likely means LMA, Drummond & Nash are all gone.

I fear we're going to see the pendulum swing back in a big way. Ring chasers & role players flocked to join a team with KD & Kyrie on it. Now I think FAs will be very concerned with the lack of system & freeze out of vets like Blake & Millsap. It's going to be harder to recruit those top minimum guys this year.

[Prokorov]

I think Blake is gone next season thanks to Nash.

Agreed with everything else. We need a starting 3 + D wing

If Dre takes the MLE, give it to him and go over the cap to retain Claxton.

I can see Blake staying if Drummond and LMA are gone

I agree, I think Blake is gone without a sizable raise & commitment. That likely means LMA, Drummond & Nash are all gone.

I fear we're going to see the pendulum swing back in a big way. Ring chasers & role players flocked to join a team with KD & Kyrie on it. Now I think FAs will be very concerned with the lack of system & freeze out of vets like Blake & Millsap. It's going to be harder to recruit those top minimum guys this year.

Agree... But also from our end to. It is clear we wont get by relying so heavily on 1-way ring chasing older vets to help fill in the gaps. Curry/Joe are great and drummond if he stays. outside of that we dont have much for plus-level role players and STILL dont really have a 2-way wing.

the other option, to use our assets to move up. We are at #22 right now. we could use another first, Cam, to move to 12-18 range. Maybe we trade Joe plus 2 picks for a bad contract player and a pick in the teens.

Example:

Harris + 22 + Cam for

Wolves: Malik Beasley + 18
Hawks: Huerter + 16 (hawks own picks 15 and 16)
Pacers: Brogdon + 19