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Post#581 » by NatP4 » Fri Apr 1, 2022 11:00 pm

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NatP4 wrote:I’ve posted a handful of times, but he shot the lights out from 3 down the stretch for the Ignite team,


I don't have a good link for any GLeague player game logs. Can you drop one here?


This is for the back half of the ignite season (ignite tour):

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630700/boxscores-traditional/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Ignite%20exhibition

A corner was pretty clearly turned in late Jan. The 3 ball started to fall and he started to put up monster numbers. The rebounding and assists basically doubled in production. He looks like a player that is just exploding, but because the season ended at the perfect time (for us), he wasn’t able to fully skyrocket into the top 10 area like Josh Giddey did.

Specifically last 5 games per36 minutes: 16.0 points 11.7 rebounds (what) 6.2 assists 2.1 steals 1.0 blocks on 49% from the field and 53% from 3
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Post#582 » by doclinkin » Fri Apr 1, 2022 11:16 pm

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NatP4 wrote:I’ve posted a handful of times, but he shot the lights out from 3 down the stretch for the Ignite team,


I don't have a good link for any GLeague player game logs. Can you drop one here?


This is for the back half of the ignite season (ignite tour):

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630700/boxscores-traditional/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Ignite%20exhibition

A corner was pretty clearly turned in late Jan. The 3 ball started to fall and he started to put up monster numbers. The rebounding and assists basically doubled in production. He looks like a player that is just exploding, but because the season ended at the perfect time (for us), he wasn’t able to fully skyrocket into the top 10 area like Josh Giddey did.

Specifically last 5 games per36 minutes: 16.0 points 11.7 rebounds (what) 6.2 assists 2.1 steals 1.0 blocks on 49% from the field and 53% from 3


Yeah, still small sample size theater. Shooting three or so attempts per game from outside. What I find amusing about the stat line is how anemic the FT attempts are as well. Product of shooting floaters, you get the shot off before anyone can foul. That said, the back end of his stat line is consistently mind-boggling. Defensive boards plus assists are two of the best markers for BBIQ. He could stand to tighten up his handle I expect, but yeah, he is young. I like the kid. As I said. It is still fair to doubt his shot-making ability from outside. If he has turned it around then it is brand new, like the 6 games after he shot 1 for 7 from 3. To my way of thinking that is a streak not a pattern. But then I haven't been watching if his technique has changed in that stretch. I'm curious, I'll find some games to watch.
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Post#583 » by FAH1223 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:11 am

Agbaji looks really good.
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Post#584 » by nate33 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 2:09 pm

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NatP4 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
I don't have a good link for any GLeague player game logs. Can you drop one here?


This is for the back half of the ignite season (ignite tour):

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630700/boxscores-traditional/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Ignite%20exhibition

A corner was pretty clearly turned in late Jan. The 3 ball started to fall and he started to put up monster numbers. The rebounding and assists basically doubled in production. He looks like a player that is just exploding, but because the season ended at the perfect time (for us), he wasn’t able to fully skyrocket into the top 10 area like Josh Giddey did.

Specifically last 5 games per36 minutes: 16.0 points 11.7 rebounds (what) 6.2 assists 2.1 steals 1.0 blocks on 49% from the field and 53% from 3


Yeah, still small sample size theater. Shooting three or so attempts per game from outside. What I find amusing about the stat line is how anemic the FT attempts are as well. Product of shooting floaters, you get the shot off before anyone can foul. That said, the back end of his stat line is consistently mind-boggling. Defensive boards plus assists are two of the best markers for BBIQ. He could stand to tighten up his handle I expect, but yeah, he is young. I like the kid. As I said. It is still fair to doubt his shot-making ability from outside. If he has turned it around then it is brand new, like the 6 games after he shot 1 for 7 from 3. To my way of thinking that is a streak not a pattern. But then I haven't been watching if his technique has changed in that stretch. I'm curious, I'll find some games to watch.

At the moment, Daniels' shooting concerns me enough that I wouldn't take him over Sharpe or Mathurin, but given the way we are playing now, it looks like those guys won't be on the board anyhow. If we end up picking 13th or 14th, I'm totally fine with Daniels.
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Post#585 » by doclinkin » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:09 pm

nate33 wrote:At the moment, Daniels' shooting concerns me enough that I wouldn't take him over Sharpe or Mathurin, but given the way we are playing now, it looks like those guys won't be on the board anyhow. If we end up picking 13th or 14th, I'm totally fine with Daniels.


I think I'd take him over either. Mathurin's stats against ranked teams look like the profile of a hard-headed gunner. I'd be worried he would be a shot-jacker with tunnel vision. Sharpe, I dunno, absent any stats I'd have to rely on scouts I guess, but so far I haven't seen anything in his highlights that jump out. He's smooth, athletic, young. But ?

Good defenders are available at that spot though. Jeremy Sochan. Dyson Daniels. Tari Eason.
https://tankathon.com/players/compare?players=dyson-daniels--tari-eason--jeremy-sochan

Eason is the statistically smarter play. But Dyson does have an "it" factor about how he plays that catches my eye. We are deep in forwards, but we might as well follow Masai and corner the market on 6'8" athletes. Just play 4 forwards with Porzingis. Rotate freely. I dunno. If we could draft 6'8" Keegan Murray I wouldn't hesitate, no matter who we have in that position already.
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Post#586 » by NatP4 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:26 am

With just the national championship game remaining, I think this is how I would rank by position:

PG:
Matteo Spagnolo -Manu
Kennedy Chandler -Pat Bev
Andrew Nembhard
TyTy Washington

SG:
Shaedon Sharpe -Paul George
Dyson Daniels -Lonzo Ball
Jaden Ivey
Christian Braun -Donte Divencenzo
Keon Ellis
Dalen Terry
Marjon Beauchamp
Benedict Mathurin
Malaki Branham
Ochai Agbaji
Johnny Davis

SF:
David Roddy- discount Paul Pierce
Vince Williams Jr. -Herb Jones
Kendall Brown
AJ Griffin
Jake Laravia
Wendell Moore

PF:
Keegan Murray- Siakam/Millsap
Tari Eason
Jabari Smith
Paolo Banchero
Jeremy Sochan
Trevion Williams
Trayce Jackson-Davis
Josh Minot

C:
Chet Holmgren
Mark Williams
Walker Kessler
Jalen Duren
Christian Koloko
Oscar Tshiebwe
Orlando Robinson
Zach Edey

Threw in some comparisons for my favorite prospects.
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Post#587 » by daSwami » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:23 pm

Ruzious wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/266325/David-Roddy-Declares-For-NBA-Draft-Leaves-Open-Possibility-Of-Staying-At-Colorado-State
We're lacking a really physical player. Maybe he's a trade down candidate for us if we trade down to late 1st. Then again, his position is likely ultimately going to be PF, and we don't need a PF. But dude can play, and he's probably going to be a good value when he is picked.


Another guy in that mold is Jalen Duren.
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Post#588 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:33 pm

daSwami wrote:
Ruzious wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/266325/David-Roddy-Declares-For-NBA-Draft-Leaves-Open-Possibility-Of-Staying-At-Colorado-State
We're lacking a really physical player. Maybe he's a trade down candidate for us if we trade down to late 1st. Then again, his position is likely ultimately going to be PF, and we don't need a PF. But dude can play, and he's probably going to be a good value when he is picked.


Another guy in that mold is Jalen Duren.

I think Duren is very different an old-fashioned low post center who's in there primarily for rim protecting and rebounding, but he's very young, so maybe there's some untapped potential there. Duren's certainly got physical talent - I just don't know about him fitting in today's NBA.
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Post#589 » by 80sballboy » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:12 pm

Some of the latest Mocks
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2022-nba-mock-draft/
https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
https://pistonpowered.com/2022/03/31/2022-nba-draft-detroit-pistons-3rd/10/
The Athletic
https://theathletic.com/3208708/2022/04/01/2022-nba-mock-draft-final-four-edition-jabari-smith-at-no-1-bennedict-mathurin-jeremy-sochan-among-big-movers/
9. Washington Wizards
Jeremy Sochan | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Baylor
Sochan has seen the biggest spike up the board over the last month of the season. He proved himself to be among the most versatile chess pieces in college basketball, capable of handling the ball for stretches and creating offense, as well as playing as Baylor’s anchor at the center position with the Bears’ big depth compromised because Jonathan Tchamwa Tchatchoua missed the latter portion of the year. The idea here is he’s a “positionless” 6-foot-9 wing who can attack bigs off the bounce with some hesitation, a guy who can be the screener or the ballhandler out of ball screens. Over his last eight games of the season, he averaged 12.3 points, seven rebounds, two assists and a steal per game while filling gaps and playing every role. NBA teams are very interested in his versatility, and I’d slot his draft range right now anywhere from around here down to No. 18.
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10. Washington Wizards

Dyson Daniels | G League Ignite | 6-6 | PG/SG | Age: 19.0
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Post#590 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:28 pm

Pop quiz: If it comes down to Sochan vs Eason, who do you pick? Sochan seems to have a little more size, is 2 years younger, and adds some ball-handling, but Eason is a much better 3 point shooter and foul shooter. Assume that we trade Kuzma for a guard.
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Post#591 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:40 pm

Ruzious wrote:Pop quiz: If it comes down to Sochan vs Eason, who do you pick? Sochan seems to have a little more size, is 2 years younger, and adds some ball-handling, but Eason is a much better 3 point shooter and foul shooter. Assume that we trade Kuzma for a guard.



There is literally nothing I like about Sochan. He will do nothing in the NBA. Pretty much guaranteed he’ll be our pick.
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Post#592 » by NatP4 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:11 am

Ruzious wrote:Pop quiz: If it comes down to Sochan vs Eason, who do you pick? Sochan seems to have a little more size, is 2 years younger, and adds some ball-handling, but Eason is a much better 3 point shooter and foul shooter. Assume that we trade Kuzma for a guard.


Eason forsure. Sochan is a high risk high reward project Imo.

Eason is arguably in the top tier of this draft if whatever team he gets drafted to can convince him to stop trying to be Magic Johnson and just be a traditional PF.
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Post#593 » by FAH1223 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 3:12 am

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Ruzious wrote:Pop quiz: If it comes down to Sochan vs Eason, who do you pick? Sochan seems to have a little more size, is 2 years younger, and adds some ball-handling, but Eason is a much better 3 point shooter and foul shooter. Assume that we trade Kuzma for a guard.



There is literally nothing I like about Sochan. He will do nothing in the NBA. Pretty much guaranteed he’ll be our pick.


****. Sochan is Polish. They’ll take him to reintegrate Polish Heritage Night.
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Post#594 » by doclinkin » Tue Apr 5, 2022 3:07 pm

Ruzious wrote:Pop quiz: If it comes down to Sochan vs Eason, who do you pick? Sochan seems to have a little more size, is 2 years younger, and adds some ball-handling, but Eason is a much better 3 point shooter and foul shooter. Assume that we trade Kuzma for a guard.


Eason can handle a bit, his passing and overall team sense is where Sochan is better. Eason loses the ball not because of a loose handle but because he is predictable: if he has the ball he is attacking, straight at the defense, going to his right, and he ain't passing even if doubled. Still if you can't score you don't get PT, it's harder to develop as a player without reps. Eason is basket focused, to a fault. His shot is fluky but it goes in, and his length plus wiggle creates shots that others can't make. He will hit the Dr J finger roll, in traffic, through two defenders, at top speed. Sochan has trouble getting to the rim, Eason has those long arms that put him at the rim when standing on tiptoes.

On defense is where Tari is most exciting. His team D is less savvy, but individually: damn. His activity, perimeter switchability, steals + blocks, and athleticism make him the dynamic disruptive outside defender we haven't had here. The kind that ignites and incites his teammates at that end.

If he is available at our pick I'm happy. I expect his measurables at the combine may elevate him out of our range. He's going to measure long whatever his height, and he is the sort of natural athlete you see in defenders like Shawn Marion, whose college stats are a strong comparator.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tari-eason--shawn-marion
Not jump out the gym bounce, but ease in his own body, balance, wiggle, instinct. With Eason it's not his first step that catches my eye, but his 2nd. He surges on those fast break steals. Nobody is close to catching him. And even when out of position on defense he can close out and block the shot in a step and a half.

Yes we have too many forwards already, but Eason will likely be a tier above whomever is available at our pick if he is there and we don't jump top 4. I'd wonder about whatever red flags teams discovered if he slipped to our spot. I'd still take him.

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Post#595 » by NatP4 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 5:43 pm

If the season ended today, I’m trading down with OKC for 15&30.

Pretty sure Dyson Daniels is there at 15, and Matteo Spagnolo is my guy at 30.

Spagnolo’s last 3 games:

20 points 5 rebounds
12 points 6 rebounds 8 assists
15 points 5 rebounds 3 assists

On the season per36: 16.8 points 5.0 rebounds 3.7 assists 1.1 steals on 44/45/87 shooting splits.

We can probably just purchase a pick that gets us David Roddy or Vince Williams. We could really use a physical two way wing like those guys. Williams would be an awesome 3&D switch everything PF.

We can snag Mosley at 53 and let him destroy the G league for a couple years.

Jones Daniels Ayayi
Beal Kispert Spagnolo
Avdija KCP
Rui Kuzma Williams Gill
Porzingis Gafford
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Post#596 » by doclinkin » Tue Apr 5, 2022 6:18 pm

If we traded back (we won't): Ochai Agbaji is mocked at late lotto mid first round.

You rarely go wrong selecting the best guard for the NCAA champion. March Madness is guard driven, and a player who makes it through the crucible tends to show good decision making and competitive moxie. His numbers are good: rebounds and 40% 3FG with NBA range. High floor type of player.
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Post#597 » by NatP4 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 6:41 pm

Agbaji will a solid pro, but I like Braun more. I think he drove the bus for that Kansas team all year. Gonna be a plus defender and a do it all versatile offensive player like a Josh Hart.
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Post#598 » by 80sballboy » Tue Apr 5, 2022 7:40 pm

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Jeremy Sochan
Wing Baylor
Shades Of
Ben Simmons, Draymond Green, Aaron Gordon
Height 6'9" Weight 230
Age 19.1 Year Freshman

Points
PTS 8.7 .550 TS%
3-point percentage
3P% 29.9 67 3PA
Rebounds
REB 6.1 14.4 REB%
Steals
STL 1.3 0.7 BLK

Capable of excelling as an athletic two-way player who can defend all five positions, and if he develops a jump shot he has limitless potential.

Playmaking

PLUSES

Elite defensive prospect who can defend across all positions. He’s super active, a total pest for offenses. NBA switching schemes are perfect for his skill set. He has the toughness and strength to handle bigger players inside, plus the length and mobility to handle quicker players on the perimeter. He hustles hard, communicates, and displays excellent awareness all over the court. He can serve as a rim protector in pick-and-roll or defend at the point of attack. There is nothing he can’t do.

Active on the boards and consistently boxes out. Following a defensive board, he’s a talented open-floor passer who rewards running teammates.

He’s a playmaker with a fluid handle that features misdirection and sudden movements to generate space. At 6-foot-9 and 230 pounds, he’s too big for smaller players to contain. And even though he’s a limited shooter, defending him with a big means he’ll just drive right by them. He’s a potential mismatch nightmare with his combination of size and speed.

Skilled interior player. He can score with either hand around the rim or take off from the dunker spot when he’s hit with a dump-off pass. When he attacks, he leans on a spin move. With a deep bag, he’s able to draw a ton of fouls. If paired with a knockdown shooter, he could feast on the short roll due to his combo of passing, handling, and finishing.

Unproven shooter but his potential is intoxicating when he’s making turnaround jumpers from the elbow area. He has a high, unblockable release and the coordination to unleash tough shots. But his efficiency is an issue.

He’s the son of two athletes; both his mom and dad played college ball at Oklahoma.

MINUSES

Lacks a reliable shot. He’s made just 31.7 percent of catch-and-shoot 3s and only 57.5 percent of his free throws. He has a slow, methodical release off the catch that doesn’t look nearly as fluid as his pull-up. He’s shooting 35.7 percent on pull-up 2s and floaters, but hasn’t taken many pull-up 3s. Without a proven jumper, defenses will dare him to shoot.

He hasn’t displayed the ability to successfully post up, which would be a valuable tool considering his size. Being able to post up a smaller player or draw double-teams would also mitigate the need for him to improve as a shooter, which is a much tougher task.

Takes some occasional risks on defense, including mistakenly jumping passing lanes. And he’s not always on point with his fundamentals, such as closing out without proper technique. Then again, his risk-taking is also what makes him so disruptive.

Dyson Daniels
Shades Of
Derrick White, Kyle Anderson, Evan Turner
Height 6'6" Weight 199
Age 19.2 Year

Points
PTS 11.3 54.0 TS%
3-point percentage
3PT% 25.5 51 3PA
Free-throw percentage
FT% 73.7 19 FTA
Assists
AST 4.4 2.4 TOV

Australian playmaker taking advantage of the G League route by showcasing his trustworthy facilitating and lockdown defense.



PLUSES

Doesn’t need plays run for him to make an impact. He’s an aware cutter and offensive rebounder. He’s good at reading mismatches and makes smart improvisational plays. He can score and facilitate from inside with the size to back down or shoot a turnaround jumper over smaller players. If he starts hitting spot-up 3s, he’ll have all the skills he needs to thrive.

Much like fellow Australian Josh Giddey, Daniels’s passing is his real appeal. He’s such an advanced pick-and-roll artist that he’s already able to draw in defenders with the threat of his floater and pull-up, only to throw a jump pass to his rolling big man. He just executes at a high level. When a shooter comes off a screen, he puts the ball right in their pocket. If a play is called for a lob, he makes it easy for the guy leaping to the basket. There’s no pass that he can’t make.

Coordinated ball handler who plays at his own pace. He has clean footwork on spins and he can glide into runners. Though he isn’t especially explosive, he knows how to use his skills to his advantage with angles and touch.

Excellent defender with the versatility to defend guards and wings. His intelligence translates on this end with the way he positions himself and sticks to his man. But he’s not just a basketball nerd who studies hard—he plays his ass off and sets the tone for his teammates. Fans will love this guy immediately.

MINUSES

Subpar shooter who made only 29.9 percent of his 3s and 53.3 percent of his free throws. He has touch on floaters and layups but it hasn’t translated to the perimeter. When he shoots, he looks like a chair unfolding. Improving his shot, whether that requires changing his form or not, should be his first priority. With a more reliable jumper, his play would evoke shades of Tyrese Haliburton.

He’s a slower-footed shot creator who needs to tighten his handle to have the same type of success generating space at the next level. Kyle Anderson went through the same adjustment as a rookie in the NBA and now he's in his eighth season.

Since he isn’t explosive, he tends to attempt a lot of difficult layups. It works for him in the G League, but scoring against NBA length will be a whole different challenge.
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Post#599 » by 80sballboy » Tue Apr 5, 2022 7:56 pm

We need athletes, length and wing defenders. Sochan fits that role at 9. The more I look at Johnny Davis, I think he would be fine as a Beal replacement and he should be a decent defender with his length, but not super athletic. If Beal stays, he's not big enough to play the 3. Or what if A.J. Griffin falls to us? He's what we need with his length and ability to shoot, but he's had a ton of injury issues.
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Post#600 » by doclinkin » Tue Apr 5, 2022 10:09 pm

80sballboy wrote:https://nbadraft.theringer.com/


The Ringer wrote:Tari Eason.

Plays with a burning desire to win by doing the little things, though he still needs to season his game to truly thrive.

PLUSES
Gritty defender equipped to thrive in the NBA with the body of a forward and the quickness of a guard. He’s also one of the more active off-ball defenders in this class. He racks up steals and blocks while playing the majority of his minutes at center, where he showed the positional awareness and length to protect the rim. His agility shines in the tight quarters of the paint, where he rotates and pivots to alter shots.

A stellar open-floor scorer who can turn steals and rebounds into transition opportunities. He has the coordination to take long gather steps to get all the way to the cup, rather than just settling for floaters. He’s at his best when finishing layups with either hand, soaring for dunks, or drawing fouls at the rim.

Foul magnet who averages 5.6 free throw attempts in only 24.3 minutes per game, one of the highest rates in all of college basketball. Playing center means he can attack slower-footed players with his herky-jerky handle, but when matched up with guards he’s too overpowering. If he’s able to improve his shooting off the dribble, it’ll open up even more driving lanes.

Improved shooter as a sophomore, making 37 percent of his 3s and 79 percent of his free throws (compared to 24 percent and 57 percent as a freshman at Cincinnati). Speeding up and raising the height of his release could lead to more consistent results. Right now, he’s at his best shooting off the catch.

Though he’s known for his athleticism and highlight dunks, he also displays a desire—and the vision—to facilitate. Even if he never becomes a lead ball handler, these skills could manifest in a big way playing a secondary role as a slasher, screener, and cutter.

MINUSES
Gets out of control with the ball in his hands. He attempts foolish passes through closed windows and often travels off the catch. Even if he’s just bringing the ball up the floor, slight pressure can be enough to cause him to fumble. There’s a creative player somewhere in there, but his skill set has a ways to go.

Fouled out of six games, including one against Florida in only seven minutes, despite coming off the bench and averaging just 24.3 minutes. He played backup center so some of his fouls are due to being overmatched, but plenty are due to a lack of awareness.


Talented but raw player who has shown improvement, motor, and competitiveness? Big John Thompson always said he'd rather have a player who is too aggressive than a guy who he has to light a fire under his a55. To me if you show improvement, you can be coached up on the other aspects. To see that kind of jump at the FT line suggests this kid is a worker who loves the game. Nobody cheers you for shooting free throws all summer. You have to want to do it.

So many of the 'MINUS' paragraphs on the players ranked above him say they take plays off on defense and lack effort on that end. This kid gives too much effort, even if it is in the wrong direction. I'll take that as a flaw any day. He needs the right coaching staff and development team, but I can see good things from this cat, down the line.

From a Sports Illustrated article:
https://www.si.com/college/lsu/basketball/lsu-tari-eason-meteoric-rise-basketball

A relentless worker who continues to make advances in his game, Eason’s development throughout the season has turned him into one of the nation’s top two-way players.
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A piece of his game that left question marks to start the season was Eason’s ability to stretch the floor and knock down the three-ball, but that narrative has changed quickly. Over his last 10 games, Eason has hit 48.1% of his three-point attempts (13/27), becoming more effective as a catch and shoot player.

Staying in the gym late at night and remaining eager for more success is what has seen so much growth in his game. Head coach Will Wade harped on the work ethic of Eason and how rare it is for a player to never get complacent.

“The best quality he's got, is usually when kids have success, they relax,” Wade said. “And the more success he's had, the harder he's worked. He was back in here working at 11 at night after the Alabama game. The more success he has, the harder he works, which is usually the exact opposite.”


Dat compared him to Tim Thomas, who could have been an MVP candidate if he only gave a crap. Yep. Give me a "relentless worker" every time.

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