Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract?

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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract? 

Post#41 » by giberish » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:08 am

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Many of us know that in 1991 Pippen signed one of the worst contracts in the NBA. A five-year 18 million dollar deal that he played under much of his prime years.


I beg to differ.

That's $3.6 million/year. At the time of that signing Magic Johnson was making $2.5 million/year, so was Karl Malone, David Robinson, and a few others. Not many were making more than $3.5 million (maybe two?) and the highest salary was $4.2 million (Ewing).

Heck in 1991-92 Michael Jordan's salary was only $3.3 million. He did not get what we might consider a huge salary increase until 5 years later.

Plus in today's dollars Pippen's deal is some $32,000,000 over 5 years. Even if half was taken up by taxes, that's still some $16,000,000, or over $3,000,000/year.

That's far more than enough to live comfortably even today (let alone 30 years ago) over the rest of your entire life. He chose the path of long term security over short term risk, actually a wise move (think Nerlens Noel, or Dennis Schroder).

He may have foolishly wasted some of that, but nonetheless a far better position to be in than some 99.99% of us.


The big issue for Pippen's deal is just how much league revenue and the salary cap increased during the deal. The growth took a reasonable deal at the beginning into a massive bargain. It was also essentially a 7 year contract (or more precisely, it was a 5 year extension on top of the 2 years he had remaining on his existing deal. You can't sign a contract that long anymore so a contract that's severely underpaid doesn't run as long - guys get another chance at a full-value contract much sooner.

You can say that happened somewhat recently with guys who signed contracts in 2015 (especially if they were max limited deals to stars like Kawhi), then had them get passed by bigger deals as the cap jumped up. But the cap didn't go up as dramatically as the 90's jump, and players got a chance to reset their deals far sooner then Pippen.
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract? 

Post#42 » by maradro » Tue Apr 5, 2022 5:32 am

Ginobili from 04-05 / 09-10, prime years, was making a little over 8m, about half of what guys like Allen and pierce were making...
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract? 

Post#43 » by JN61 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 10:28 am

Currys first extension. He got some 14 mil deal or something because his glass ankles. Other all-stars were getting well into 20 mil during those years and Kobe over 30. This all just top of my head. Numbers might be different.
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract? 

Post#44 » by srhcan » Tue Apr 5, 2022 11:17 am

Boucher makes 7 mill per year
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scotty Pippen" Contract? 

Post#45 » by MrBigShot » Tue Apr 5, 2022 12:04 pm

Bologna Smasher wrote:A lot of the legit superstars are underpaid IMO. Giannis, LeBron, Curry, Durant, Jokic, etc. should be getting paid closer to 100M a year than 50M a year. The salary cap really screws the true star players. Think this has been the case since a salary cap has been implemented.


Very true, but it's intended that way. These guys get more endorsement opportunities and there is no league without role players, so it's intended to spread the wealth a bit more. If there was no max a select few would be making much more, and most players would be making significantly less.
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract? 

Post#46 » by G R E Y » Tue Apr 5, 2022 12:51 pm

Jakob Poeltl makes $9M/yr. Crazy team-friendly value in retrospect, considering he was RFA and didn't bring forth a contract from another team at the time he signed it.
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract? 

Post#47 » by druggas » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:09 pm

Magic Johnson signed a 25 year 25 million contract.
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract? 

Post#48 » by Monky15 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:16 pm

Ben Wallace on the Pistons, and like Pippen he got his later funnily enough from the Bulls.
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scottie Pippen" Contract? 

Post#49 » by Bologna Smasher » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:54 pm

boomershadow wrote:Sabonis at 4/75 seems like a deal considering he had made two all star teams.


Pacers played their cards perfectly with his extension. If I remember right, they signed him to it right after the season where he showed all-star potential as a sixth man. The very next year he's finally a full time starter and becomes an all-star. Think other teams should look at the way they handled that and try to imitate it.

The one year difference basically saved them 25-50M. Sabonis would've easily gotten at least 100M if he had hit restricted free agency. The Pacers also timed his role change perfectly. If they would have made him a full time starter/larger role a year early, he would have most likely put up the same numbers that made him an all-star, therefore having to give him a larger extension.
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scotty Pippen" Contract? 

Post#50 » by Harry Garris » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:57 pm

Slim Charlez wrote:Considering how well he's played this year, 15 Million for Dejounte Murray is an absolute steal.


He's definitely overperformed that contract but I wouldn't say that it was an underpay when he signed it
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Re: Any Recent Players Sign a "Scotty Pippen" Contract? 

Post#51 » by sp6r=underrated » Tue Apr 5, 2022 2:12 pm

MrBigShot wrote:
Bologna Smasher wrote:A lot of the legit superstars are underpaid IMO. Giannis, LeBron, Curry, Durant, Jokic, etc. should be getting paid closer to 100M a year than 50M a year. The salary cap really screws the true star players. Think this has been the case since a salary cap has been implemented.


Very true, but it's intended that way. These guys get more endorsement opportunities and there is no league without role players, so it's intended to spread the wealth a bit more. If there was no max a select few would be making much more, and most players would be making significantly less.


It spreads the wealth but the purpose was for the owners to break the players union. In return for the union agreeing to a lower of basketball related income, the owners put in place max salaries/rookie scale contracts. The result is top 25 players and rookies are severely underpaid.

Thus there really aren't going to be Scottie Pippen contracts because the CBA makes player performance less of a factor in how much you get paid

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