2022 NBA Draft Part II

[clyde21]

this feels like one of the weakest championship teams/years in a while or am I tripping?

I feel like this Kansas team would get trounced by Baylor team last year for example.

[jman3134]

this feels like one of the weakest championship teams/years in a while or am I tripping?

I feel like this Kansas team would get trounced by Baylor team last year for example.

Absolutely agree. Can't believe UNC collapsed like that. You have to call a timeout when it gets to 6 also. Bacot doesn't get hurt last game, UNC probably wins though. Kansas faced an injury carousel: Kalkbrenner, Moore, and Bacot.

[God Squad]

The game was awful to me personally. Just a bunch of bad basketball plays all around IMO.

[shangrila]

Slightly off topic, but what's the board's policy on linking to unofficial websites that host full game replays?

[Nuntius]

Gabriele Procida looks like a baller. I just know little of opposition / competition level. As there as so many competitive tier's in European basketball.

The Serie A isn't bad as far as national leagues are concerned. It used to be one of the best national leagues after the ACB, along with the Greek league. Both leagues have lost some of their luster, though, and they cannot really compare to the ACB or the EuroLeague itself.

Procida plays for Fortitudo Bologna, a team with a fair amount of history which fell into financial hardship and thus got relegated. They have returned to the Serie A but they haven't found their standing yet. They are close to being relegated again.

I'd say that the level is a bit lower than the ABA where Jovic plays but I don't think that the difference is huge. It is a fully professional league after all and they do face an actual EuroLeague team in Armani Milano.

[juanc]

Gabriele Procida looks like a baller. I just know little of opposition / competition level. As there as so many competitive tier's in European basketball.

The Serie A isn't bad as far as national leagues are concerned. It used to be one of the best national leagues after the ACB, along with the Greek league. Both leagues have lost some of their luster, though, and they cannot really compare to the ACB or the EuroLeague itself.

Procida plays for Fortitudo Bologna, a team with a fair amount of history which fell into financial hardship and thus got relegated. They have returned to the Serie A but they haven't found their standing yet. They are close to being relegated again.

I'd say that the level is a bit lower than the ABA where Jovic plays but I don't think that the difference is huge. It is a fully professional league after all and they do face an actual EuroLeague team in Armani Milano.

With the return of Obradović and the rise of Partizan, and the rise of Olimpija, ABA is probablly the strongest it was in the last 10 years, with 4 really strong teams(Crvena zvezda, Partizan, Budučnost and Cedevita Olimpija), and then you have teams like Igokea, Mornar, Mega Leks,... who are all tough opponents.

That's the reason,IMO, that the top prospects from ABA have struggled this year(Jovic, Cazalon,...). Aba also has many different styles of basketball, the most in any domestic league IMO. From the uptempo/modern style that Mega and Olimpija play, to the old school, "lumberjack" basketball that teams like Igokea play. It's also one of the most physical (domestic) leagues in Europe IMO.

As far as the Italian league goes,I think that it slowly getting back to be one of the best leagues in the world.They need a team or two to join Milano and Virtus at the top IMO.

[jezzerinho]

Procida is currently out injured for the last 3 weeks with a bad thigh bruise. Doesn't sound like anything to affect him or his draft stock, but it's fewer games to scout.

[juanc]

I really like Christian Braun this year(around the Mavs pick), can easily imagine him being a great role player in the league. Did anybody see what his wingspan is? Also any good comps? Josh Hart comes to mind, but I can easly see him being a much better shooter..

[azcatz11]

I really like Christian Braun this year(around the Mavs pick), can easily imagine him being a great role player in the league. Did anybody see what his wingspan is? Also any good comps? Josh Hart comes to mind, but I can easly see him being a much better shooter..

Rich man's Kyle Singler?

[BlazersBroncos]

I really like Christian Braun this year(around the Mavs pick), can easily imagine him being a great role player in the league. Did anybody see what his wingspan is? Also any good comps? Josh Hart comes to mind, but I can easly see him being a much better shooter..

Rich man's Kyle Singler?

Braun is more mobile IMO. Singler was pretending to be a SF but was a pure stretch PF, and not even that good at that.

Josh Hart and Grayson are more apt IMO.

Also FWIW no official measures but I think he is projected to have a poor wingspan.

[Hal14]

I really like Christian Braun this year(around the Mavs pick), can easily imagine him being a great role player in the league. Did anybody see what his wingspan is? Also any good comps? Josh Hart comes to mind, but I can easly see him being a much better shooter..

Rich man's Kyle Singler?

Braun is more mobile IMO. Singler was pretending to be a SF but was a pure stretch PF, and not even that good at that.

Josh Hart and Grayson are more apt IMO.

Also FWIW no official measures but I think he is projected to have a poor wingspan.

I figure Braun is like a taller Pat Connaughton/Josh Hart..or even a slightly worse but less injury prone Gordon Hayward..

[babyjax13]

Is this the worst draft for point guards since 2014?

2021: Cunningham, Suggs, Giddey, Mitchell, etc. (some probably don't end up playing point guard)
2020: Ball, Haliburton, Maxey (but also Hayes, Lewis)
2019: Ja, Garland, White
2018: Young, Sexton, Simons
2017: Fultz, Ball, Fox, White (also Ntilikina, DSJ)
2016: Simmons, J. Murray, D. Murray
2015: Russell, Payne, Wright (Mudiay)
2014: Dinwiddie (Exum, T. Ennis, Napier)
2013: McCollum, Schroder (Burke)
2012: Lillard, Rivers, Satoransky (Marshall)
2011: Irving, Walker, Thomas (Fredette)
2010: Wall, Bledsoe
2009: Harden, Rubio, Curry, Holiday, Lawson, Collison (Flynn, Jennings)
2008: Rose, Westbrook, Augustin, Hill, Dragic
2007: Conley, Brooks (Stuckey)
2006: Foye, Rondo, Lowry
2005: Williams, Paul, Felton, Jack
2004: Livingston, Harris, Nelson (Telfair)
2003: Hinrich, Ford, Ridnour (Banks)
2002: (Williams, Wagner)
2001: Parker, Tinsley, Arenas
2000: ooph... Jamal Crawford, if you want to count him

That's 22 drafts and it seems to me that this is one of the worst pre-draft, probably there with 2001, in that regard, where the major point guards were all projected out of the lottery. I like both TyTy and Chandler well enough, and would not be surprised if either turns into a reasonable starter...but just with how shallow the point guard class is I might avoid them all together and wait for a different year, especially with how deep the position is in the league. Could Tyty slide because of this? I'm not buying mocks that have him late lottery, to be honest.

[Hal14]

this feels like one of the weakest championship teams/years in a while or am I tripping?

I feel like this Kansas team would get trounced by Baylor team last year for example.

Kansas is a pretty good team. Definitely not a dominant powerhouse champion, though. This year had a lot of parity across college basketball. There was no dominant powerhouse team, which made it fun and less predictable.

With that being said, I still think Creighton would've beaten Kansas in the 2nd round if they were healthy. arguably creighton's 2 best players, kalkbrenner and nembhard were both out and creighton still only lost by like 3.

[BlazersBroncos]

Rich man's Kyle Singler?

Braun is more mobile IMO. Singler was pretending to be a SF but was a pure stretch PF, and not even that good at that.

Josh Hart and Grayson are more apt IMO.

Also FWIW no official measures but I think he is projected to have a poor wingspan.

I figure Braun is like a taller Pat Connaughton/Josh Hart..or even a slightly worse but less injury prone Gordon Hayward..

Pat is a near elite athlete for his size, I dont think Braun is close. And Gordon is just way more talented overall and has a much bigger build.

I like Braun but I think he falls in that category of 'good at everything, great at nothing' and with guys like that its a coin flip if they make it in the league.

I actually think Matt Barnes is a decent comparison. Both have really good motors, decent if streaky 3PT shots, try hard defenders, low usage, surprisingly good passers, 'do the little tings' type players. Both around 6'7 with lanky builds as well.

[Ell Curry]

Is this the worst draft for point guards since 2014?

2021: Cunningham, Suggs, Giddey, Mitchell, etc. (some probably don't end up playing point guard)
2020: Ball, Haliburton, Maxey (but also Hayes, Lewis)
2019: Ja, Garland, White
2018: Young, Sexton, Simons
2017: Fultz, Ball, Fox, White (also Ntilikina, DSJ)
2016: Simmons, J. Murray, D. Murray
2015: Russell, Payne, Wright (Mudiay)
2014: Dinwiddie (Exum, T. Ennis, Napier)
2013: McCollum, Schroder (Burke)
2012: Lillard, Rivers, Satoransky (Marshall)
2011: Irving, Walker, Thomas (Fredette)
2010: Wall, Bledsoe
2009: Harden, Rubio, Curry, Holiday, Lawson, Collison (Flynn, Jennings)
2008: Rose, Westbrook, Augustin, Hill, Dragic
2007: Conley, Brooks (Stuckey)
2006: Foye, Rondo, Lowry
2005: Williams, Paul, Felton, Jack
2004: Livingston, Harris, Nelson (Telfair)
2003: Hinrich, Ford, Ridnour (Banks)
2002: (Williams, Wagner)
2001: Parker, Tinsley, Arenas
2000: ooph... Jamal Crawford, if you want to count him

That's 22 drafts and it seems to me that this is one of the worst pre-draft, probably there with 2001, in that regard, where the major point guards were all projected out of the lottery. I like both TyTy and Chandler well enough, and would not be surprised if either turns into a reasonable starter...but just with how shallow the point guard class is I might avoid them all together and wait for a different year, especially with how deep the position is in the league. Could Tyty slide because of this? I'm not buying mocks that have him late lottery, to be honest.

Probably, but Ivey might be a PG as he's not great off the ball. Probably the ideal for him is that he is at PG but not the #1 ballhandler, and there's one in the frontcourt who can also shoot to set him up a bit.

Don't think TyTy will slip because he didn't get to play PG and still had a nice season and can probably guard some NBA 2s okay.

Chandler looked interesting to me in the Michigan game, but his jumper will come a long way and it's tough to get excited about a 6 footer who's not an elite scorer unless you just don't have any PG on the roster already under 30. Probably a backup, but maybe a good one. He'd be a nice get for the Clippers if they can move up from 43.

[SelfishPlayer]

Christian Braun compares well to Alex Caruso. He has enough skills to be a guard. Not the sort of length you'll start at small forward.

[The-Power]

I'm not judging but over the past couple of posts, Braun has been compared to Josh Hart, Kyle Singler, Grayson Allen, Pat Connaughton, Gordon Hayward and Alex Caruso (and, granted, Matt Barnes). I think this just goes to show how much ‘looks’ still play a part in player comparisons and that's one reason why I'm not convinced we necessarily need to force comparisons onto players.

[babyjax13]

I'm not judging but over the past couple of posts, Braun has been compared to Josh Hart, Kyle Singler, Grayson Allen, Pat Connaughton, Gordon Hayward and Alex Caruso (and, granted, Matt Barnes). I think this just goes to show how much ‘looks’ still play a part in player comparisons and that's one reason why I'm not convinced we necessarily need to force comparisons onto players.

Ball skills + shooting + rebounding... some of those comps probably aren't the worst (Hart/Pat/Hayward) although I don't see it. I'm not sure what the best direct comparison is, but if you need someone who moves the ball, can hit open threes, and corral some rebounds from the 2 guard position and also be able to play up to the 3, he's a nice fit (which, tbh, sounds in theory kind of like Hart, although their games don't look too similar on the court to me).

[BlazersBroncos]

One thing with Hart is he is pound for pound strong as an ox. I dont see that in Christian.

If he was bouncier, Pat is a good comp. I am sticking with my Barnes comp.

End of day I think he is more of a Pat / Barnes caliber guy in terms of where he will fit in a rotation (8th man or so). I am biased as a PDX fan but I see Hart as very underrated and a 6th man to spot starter caliber talent. I dont think Braun is that level, but I do like him.

[jman3134]

I also don't like any of the comps above. How about Donte Divincenzo? He is a better rebounder and not as prolific of a shooter. Probably a bit worse as an athlete as well. Both were underrated passers in college. Braun has shown that he can shoot it at a high level. Donte rebounded well in college too.

Both had big tournament runs as well, leading to National Championships.