Brunson and Mitch Robinson

[aad]

Sign these two and get a top 5 pick and we should be good to go next season

How we gonna end up with both is if we trade grant to Portland that will open up a little more cap space if we get hart in that deal then don’t pick up frank Jackson team option

Brunson
Cade
Bey
Murray/Jabari/Banchero
Robinson

Come on Troy make this happen

[FloridaMan78]

I was on board with this, until I saw Hart might be on the table in the Portland trade.

I’d rather have Hart at 12 mil than Brunson at 20+mil for the next three years.

Brunson is the better shooter and playmaker but Hart is better defensively and good at rebounding. Brunson is a bit of a liability on D.

Even money I’d take Brunson but not at what he’s gonna cost us.

If we get that Pelican pick we could take Mark Williams or Duren and we wouldn’t need Robinson either.

[Pharaoh]

I am most definitely not down with paying 20 mil for Brunson.

He's a high level role player to be sure but we are not yet in the space where we need to be adding 4th options at that price.

This rush to put "finishing" touches on a rebuild amazes me to be real.

IF you want us to be a 5 to 8 seed year in and year out then sure go blow the wad now.

Get back to being relevant by any means nessacary. I do understand that.

I'm aiming higher than that and hoping Weaver is too!

We are not Brunson, Robinson and a top 5 pick away from title contention...yet

Patience is a virtue

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[FloridaMan78]

I am most definitely not down with paying 20 mil for Brunson.

He's a high level role player to be sure but we are not yet in the space where we need to be adding 4th options at that price.

This rush to put "finishing" touches on a rebuild amazes me to be real.

IF you want us to be a 5 to 8 seed year in and year out then sure go blow the wad now.

Get back to being relevant by any means nessacary. I do understand that.

I'm aiming higher than that and hoping Weaver is too!

We are not Brunson, Robinson and a top 5 pick away from title contention...yet

Patience is a virtue

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Bey Hayes and Stewart will be restricted free agents with 15+mil cap holds each in 2024. Bey will probably need to be extended for 25+ mil before then. Cade super max the following year. Which means cap space gone by 2024. Which means if we don’t blow our wad this year, 2023 we’ll be blowing a really huuuge wad on a really crappy free agent class.

[Kalamazoo317]

I don't think we should get too locked into any free agency ideas until 1. we know the results of the lottery and 2. we know if Grant is getting traded or not this offseason.

[Cowology]

Where did the $20 mil figure for Brunson come from? I've seen that exact number thrown around in a number of a different threads. Was this from an article or what? It's a very specific number that has been repeated so I'd kinda like to know what the basis of it is.

[bstein14]

Brunson is 100% for sure getting more than the MLE. That said, I do think $20 million per year is a bit high. Offensively he's better than Jerami Grant who we gave 3 years $20 million per year, but defensively he's obviously not as good.

Keeping Brunson also pushes Dallas into the luxury tax level so they will likely want to keep him on as reasonable of a contract as possible. Really only a few teams can offer him more than MLE.

4 years $60 million with the 4th year being a player option would likely be a good/fair deal for Brunson but I could also see him holding out for more after being so underpaid by Dallas.

Brunson's numbers did drop off slightly post all-star and after the arrival of Spencer Dinwiddie, mostly in his assist per game going from 5.4 per game before the all-star break down to 2.9 post all-star break.... but his overall shooting and scoring was pretty consistent throughout the season.

[FloridaMan78]

https://dailyknicks.com/2022/03/21/knicks-rumors-jalen-brunson-is-teams-top-offseason-priority/amp/

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-have-touched-base-with-the-knicks-about-jalen-brunson/

[mattao313]

Where did the $20 mil figure for Brunson come from? I've seen that exact number thrown around in a number of a different threads. Was this from an article or what? It's a very specific number that has been repeated so I'd kinda like to know what the basis of it is.

It's rumored he wants 4yr/80

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[Cowology]

https://dailyknicks.com/2022/03/21/knicks-rumors-jalen-brunson-is-teams-top-offseason-priority/amp/

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-have-touched-base-with-the-knicks-about-jalen-brunson/

Well that sort of answered my question, but you'll forgive me if I don't take it at face value. This sounds more like an agent trying to drive up value. "There were some recent reports suggesting Brunson was looking for a new contract in the realm of $20 million per season. "

That said, IF the Knicks really do want to give him $20 mil then let them have him but they don't even have the cap space. The most they can offer right now is the MLE unless it's a S&T.

[Cowology]

Where did the $20 mil figure for Brunson come from? I've seen that exact number thrown around in a number of a different threads. Was this from an article or what? It's a very specific number that has been repeated so I'd kinda like to know what the basis of it is.

It's rumored he wants 4yr/80

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So do I. That doesn't mean anybody is going to give it to me.

[FloridaMan78]

https://dailyknicks.com/2022/03/21/knicks-rumors-jalen-brunson-is-teams-top-offseason-priority/amp/

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-have-touched-base-with-the-knicks-about-jalen-brunson/

Well that sort of answered my question, but you'll forgive me if I don't take it at face value. This sounds more like an agent trying to drive up value. "There were some recent reports suggesting Brunson was looking for a new contract in the realm of $20 million per season. "

That said, IF the Knicks really do want to give him $20 mil then let them have him but they don't even have the cap space. The most they can offer right now is the MLE unless it's a S&T.

Much like Grant is rumored to want a $100+mil contract. But Grant is looking for an extension while Brunson is a free agent with more leverage.

20 mil is near market value. Salaries tend to rise 5-10% every year in free agency. Fournier and Powell both got around 18 mil last year. I’m sure agents are looking at the new tv deal and compensating for that too.

[mattao313]

Where did the $20 mil figure for Brunson come from? I've seen that exact number thrown around in a number of a different threads. Was this from an article or what? It's a very specific number that has been repeated so I'd kinda like to know what the basis of it is.

It's rumored he wants 4yr/80

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So do I. That doesn't mean anybody is going to give it to me.

Yes instead of using the rumors to gauge his next contract let's just sign him to a 4yr/min.

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[Cowology]

https://dailyknicks.com/2022/03/21/knicks-rumors-jalen-brunson-is-teams-top-offseason-priority/amp/

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-have-touched-base-with-the-knicks-about-jalen-brunson/

Well that sort of answered my question, but you'll forgive me if I don't take it at face value. This sounds more like an agent trying to drive up value. "There were some recent reports suggesting Brunson was looking for a new contract in the realm of $20 million per season. "

That said, IF the Knicks really do want to give him $20 mil then let them have him but they don't even have the cap space. The most they can offer right now is the MLE unless it's a S&T.

Much like Grant is rumored to want a $100+mil contract. But Grant is looking for an extension while Brunson is a free agent with more leverage.

20 mil is near market value. Salaries tend to rise 5-10% every year in free agency. Fournier and Powell both got around 18 mil last year. I’m sure agents are looking at the new tv deal and compensating for that too.

I don't understand the "more leverage" comment. The market dictates his value, not him. Again, the team being mentioned (The Knicks) don't have cap space. Teams that do have cap space; Detroit, Portland, Orlando, Indiana & San Antonio. Neither Indiana (Haliburton) or San Antonio (Murray) have any need for a PG. Same goes for Portland (Lillard). Orlando is in a weird spot since they are still waiting on Fultz to be healthy, but they also have greater needs to address and are looking for a #1 offensive option.

Dallas just picked up Dinwiddie which arguably could be taken as a sign that they aren't interested in giving Brunson $20 mil. They just covered their own arses considering Brunson was headed for UFA and the team is capped out.

NY is also not in a position to offer more than the MLE due to their own cap situation.

Brunson can talk about what he "wants" and people can write stories about some anonymous team willing to offer $20 mil... but Detroit looks like the only team even poised to offer more than the MLE. Can anybody offer a realistic alternative and back it up with finances & fit? Where is the actual market for this guy?

[Cowology]

It's rumored he wants 4yr/80

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So do I. That doesn't mean anybody is going to give it to me.

Yes instead of using the rumors to gauge his next contract let's just sign him to a 4yr/min.

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Not a productive argument. See my above post for details.

[FloridaMan78]

Well that sort of answered my question, but you'll forgive me if I don't take it at face value. This sounds more like an agent trying to drive up value. "There were some recent reports suggesting Brunson was looking for a new contract in the realm of $20 million per season. "

That said, IF the Knicks really do want to give him $20 mil then let them have him but they don't even have the cap space. The most they can offer right now is the MLE unless it's a S&T.

Much like Grant is rumored to want a $100+mil contract. But Grant is looking for an extension while Brunson is a free agent with more leverage.

20 mil is near market value. Salaries tend to rise 5-10% every year in free agency. Fournier and Powell both got around 18 mil last year. I’m sure agents are looking at the new tv deal and compensating for that too.

I don't understand the "more leverage" comment. The market dictates his value, not him. Again, the team being mentioned (The Knicks) don't have cap space. Teams that do have cap space; Detroit, Portland, Orlando, Indiana & San Antonio. Neither Indiana (Haliburton) or San Antonio (Murray) have any need for a PG. Same goes for Portland (Lillard). Orlando is in a weird spot since they are still waiting on Fultz to be healthy, but they also have greater needs to address and are looking for a #1 offensive option.

Dallas just picked up Dinwiddie which arguably could be taken as a sign that they aren't interested in giving Brunson $20 mil. They just covered their own arses considering Brunson was headed for UFA and the team is capped out.

NY is also not in a position to offer more than the MLE due to their own cap situation.

Brunson can talk about what he "wants" and people can write stories about some anonymous team willing to offer $20 mil... but Detroit looks like the only team even poised to offer more than the MLE. Can anybody offer a realistic alternative and back it up with finances & fit? Where is the actual market for this guy?

I guess we’ll see. I think it’ll be closer to 20 mil than 11 mil.

[whitehops]

Where did the $20 mil figure for Brunson come from? I've seen that exact number thrown around in a number of a different threads. Was this from an article or what? It's a very specific number that has been repeated so I'd kinda like to know what the basis of it is.

$20 mil is the general range that average starters get. it might be $18-20 mil, but it'll likely be right around there.

for example dallas is paying tim hardaway jr. and spencer dinwiddie in that range and brunson likely has more value than both players. both bogdanovic's, bledsoe, fournier, levert, etc. all get paid in that range so it's a pretty safe bet brunson will get paid in that range too.

it's probably even more noticeable when you look at the players that get paid in the ~$16 mil range because it's largely bench players or low-end starters.

[Cowology]

Much like Grant is rumored to want a $100+mil contract. But Grant is looking for an extension while Brunson is a free agent with more leverage.

20 mil is near market value. Salaries tend to rise 5-10% every year in free agency. Fournier and Powell both got around 18 mil last year. I’m sure agents are looking at the new tv deal and compensating for that too.

I don't understand the "more leverage" comment. The market dictates his value, not him. Again, the team being mentioned (The Knicks) don't have cap space. Teams that do have cap space; Detroit, Portland, Orlando, Indiana & San Antonio. Neither Indiana (Haliburton) or San Antonio (Murray) have any need for a PG. Same goes for Portland (Lillard). Orlando is in a weird spot since they are still waiting on Fultz to be healthy, but they also have greater needs to address and are looking for a #1 offensive option.

Dallas just picked up Dinwiddie which arguably could be taken as a sign that they aren't interested in giving Brunson $20 mil. They just covered their own arses considering Brunson was headed for UFA and the team is capped out.

NY is also not in a position to offer more than the MLE due to their own cap situation.

Brunson can talk about what he "wants" and people can write stories about some anonymous team willing to offer $20 mil... but Detroit looks like the only team even poised to offer more than the MLE. Can anybody offer a realistic alternative and back it up with finances & fit? Where is the actual market for this guy?

I guess we’ll see. I think it’ll be closer to 20 mil than 11 mil.

The MLE is around $10-11 mil. I'd put Brunson closer to $14-16 mil. I just don't see a team out there bidding against themself and I don't see a huge market for him. Again, if somebody else can provide a specific team with both cap space & fit I'd love to hear it. What other people made in other years under different circumstances isn't really the barometer here. In a vacuum it makes perfect sense and I get it, but you still need somebody actually wiling to go there in this specific situation. Who is it?

You can't measure a guys value in a vacuum. There has to be a market for them. IF we offer an average of $16 mil per year... who beats that?

[Cowology]

Where did the $20 mil figure for Brunson come from? I've seen that exact number thrown around in a number of a different threads. Was this from an article or what? It's a very specific number that has been repeated so I'd kinda like to know what the basis of it is.

$20 mil is the general range that average starters get. it might be $18-20 mil, but it'll likely be right around there.

for example dallas is paying tim hardaway jr. and spencer dinwiddie in that range and brunson likely has more value than both players. both bogdanovic's, bledsoe, fournier, levert, etc. all get paid in that range so it's a pretty safe bet brunson will get paid in that range too.

it's probably even more noticeable when you look at the players that get paid in the ~$16 mil range because it's largely bench players or low-end starters.

I'd say those are more arguments for why NOT to do it lol

[whitehops]

I'd say those are more arguments for why NOT to do it lol

i agree that spending that kind of money doesn't make sense for a player that doesn't "move the needle" when you can get a FA for ~$30 mil to be your legit 2nd option.

but there's also the sheer fact that any kind of talent is hard to come by. teams very rarely let their actual talent go so you have to pony up for average players, otherwise you're going to be fielding cory joseph's in your starting lineup while you pray for a quality player to fall in your lap.