2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[parsnips33]

What do people think of Kidd as a coach now? Seems like maybe he's surpassed expectations in Dallas, but not really sure.

Interested to hear from Mavs fans on the differences between him and Carlisle

[Texas Chuck]

What do people think of Kidd as a coach now? Seems like maybe he's surpassed expectations in Dallas, but not really sure.

Interested to hear from Mavs fans on the differences between him and Carlisle

The biggest thing he has going for him right now imo is simply that the players have bought in and I think some of the guys were tuning Rick out, including the only guy who matters.

He's also very calm on the sideline(3 techs all year and even those seemed minor) which I think is a good influence on Luka compared to Rick constantly complaining and losing his cool.

The offense misses Carlisle. Hardly any schemed buckets the way Rick could get them some especially on OOB plays. Kidd just trusts Luka, Brunson, and Dinwiddie to run PNR and let their talent create the shot.

Defense seems legit good considering the limitations of the roster, particularly at center where they run two undersized guys in Powell/Kleber and Powell offers basically zero rim protection.

And listening to him talk, Jason at least says the right things. He acknowledges his ego got the better of him in previous spots and he talks a lot about only trying to do his job now and leaving the roster building to those with that title. He also talks a lot about learning from Vogel about how to listen to assistants and players and not feel like every answer must come from him.

So far, so good. I hated the hire, but its gone better than expected at least in year 1.

[MartinToVaught]

What do people think of Kidd as a coach now? Seems like maybe he's surpassed expectations in Dallas, but not really sure.

Still not high on him. Luka will make any coach look good in the regular season. Kidd has not proven yet that he can make the game-to-game, moment-to-moment adjustments in a playoff series that Carlisle can.

[The High Cyde]

That defense came out of nowhere though, Kidd should be credited for that.

[SeniorWalker]

how Long do we think nets championship window is open? durant game is aging well but he is still 34, is technically possible but hard to imagine him playing st this level at 37 or 38

depends on what we see with simmons. i dont think they can win without him.

ironically, the team they had before they traded for harden looked great and might've been a more relevant group for a few years.

[falcolombardi]

how Long do we think nets championship window is open? durant game is aging well but he is still 34, is technically possible but hard to imagine him playing st this level at 37 or 38

depends on what we see with simmons. i dont think they can win without him.

ironically, the team they had before they traded for harden looked great and might've been a more relevant group for a few years.

losing jarett allen right before he broke out has to hurt

kyrie/durant/jarret core would be really good

[feyki]

What do people think of Kidd as a coach now? Seems like maybe he's surpassed expectations in Dallas, but not really sure.

Interested to hear from Mavs fans on the differences between him and Carlisle

Two points puts him over Carlisle, to me, freedom on the offence and great defensive coaching and projecting. Btw, as a Carlisle hater, I would put most of the coaches over him, but in the rationality; Kidd practising better defence and Brunson,Doncic and Dinwiddie better with him than with Carlisle(assume Dinwiddie as like Doncic,Brunson) and on the other hand Carlisle is and was much better offensive coach than Kidd. Also, Carlisle probably the best coach in the nba on micro touches. Still could say Carlisle is better coach than Kidd, but Carlisle was not a good fit to Mavs in anytime, besides 2011 and the 2014.

Mavs were -0,8 defence in the 9 consecutive years since Marion and Kidd left. Never been positive, once average. But with not much different roster, Kidd now has -2,3 defensive team as good as Kidd-Marion-Tyson trio Mavs.

Carlisle had not good defensive mind. And also didn't maximize Dirk and Doncic offensive forces. Avery Johnson was using Dirk way better than Carlisle did.

Everyone would be better for Doncic and plus Kidd builded a great defence. %100 W for the Mavs.

[MartinToVaught]

That defense came out of nowhere though, Kidd should be credited for that.

Then again, in the past month, they've lost by 30 to the Knicks, given up 129 to the Hornets without Hayward and 135 to the Wizards without Beal. Could be that the defense was a mirage, not some amazing coaching job by Kidd.

[The High Cyde]

That defense came out of nowhere though, Kidd should be credited for that.

Then again, in the past month, they've lost by 30 to the Knicks, given up 129 to the Hornets without Hayward and 135 to the Wizards without Beal. Could be that the defense was a mirage, not some amazing coaching job by Kidd.

Those are pretty bad lol the Wizards loss is head-scratching.

But yeah, I mean it’s a long season and some nights there will be upsets. Generally Kidd has them playing solid basketball, and he’s not trying to reinvent the wheel here, which I think shows restraint and growth as a coach. He didn’t come in and put his foot down and demand the team play only his way; he recognized Luka is best with the decision making on offense, and that he, Kidd, can over see the defense and fill in the gaps elsewhere, and it’s worked out for the better.

Now, it’s a little tough to differentiate what has caused the uptick in defense, was it that Rick was let go and all the players celebrated with more energy or was it Kidd who got them all to buy in? Probably a little of the former with much more of the latter to me. I think you have to give it another season to truly see though.

[MartinToVaught]

Sure, every team has off nights, but it's still not a good look that they've started having these kinds of abysmal performances on a semi-regular basis down the stretch of the season.

[Texas Chuck]

That defense came out of nowhere though, Kidd should be credited for that.

Then again, in the past month, they've lost by 30 to the Knicks, given up 129 to the Hornets without Hayward and 135 to the Wizards without Beal. Could be that the defense was a mirage, not some amazing coaching job by Kidd.

The Hornets score on everyone. The Wizards were motivated to get a win for KP and a loss for Dinwiddie. Even good defenses get lit up at times, when teams are making 3's. You also ignore the games where they held great offenses in the 90's....

But its odd you think a few games are more telling than a season's worth of data that shows Dallas to be a good defensive team. Nobody is going to mistake them for the 08 Celtics or anything, but they are in the top quartile in defense this year.

Pretty sweet mirage they have there.....

[parsnips33]

That defense came out of nowhere though, Kidd should be credited for that.

Then again, in the past month, they've lost by 30 to the Knicks, given up 129 to the Hornets without Hayward and 135 to the Wizards without Beal. Could be that the defense was a mirage, not some amazing coaching job by Kidd.

Those are pretty bad lol the Wizards loss is head-scratching.

But yeah, I mean it’s a long season and some nights there will be upsets. Generally Kidd has them playing solid basketball, and he’s not trying to reinvent the wheel here, which I think shows restraint and growth as a coach. He didn’t come in and put his foot down and demand the team play only his way; he recognized Luka is best with the decision making on offense, and that he, Kidd, can over see the defense and fill in the gaps elsewhere, and it’s worked out for the better.

Now, it’s a little tough to differentiate what has caused the uptick in defense, was it that Rick was let go and all the players celebrated with more energy or was it Kidd who got them all to buy in? Probably a little of the former with much more of the latter to me. I think you have to give it another season to truly see though.

Are they doing anything schematically different? Is it really as simple as guys playing harder/better communication defensively?

Did shipping out Porzingis help?

[eminence]

Adams is more mobile than I remember him being the last couple of years. Looking good.

[falcolombardi]

lakers season over

wonder what they will do next season, not too high on their front Office tbh so not expecting much

[eminence]

Not really sure what they can do.

If WB/LeBron/AD are all back all they've got are minimums to work with. If they pay to get off Westbrook they can maybe get back a couple rotation guys back, but no stars and will still only have minimums to fill out the roster.

Not promising.

[falcolombardi]

Not really sure what they can do.

If WB/LeBron/AD are all back all they've got are minimums to work with. If they pay to get off Westbrook they can maybe get back a couple rotation guys back, but no stars and will still only have minimums to fill out the roster.

Not promising.

i actually think solid depth pieces would have gone a long way for this lakers team so if they can legit rotation players in positions of need (back up big, defensive wing mainly) that would help

if they can somehow concept westbrook wxpiring contract into a couple of solid if overpaid role players they are in a better spot going forward

nunn(healthy?)/cheap back Up (imagine if they had caruso)
SG?/monk (sixth man) (imagine if they had kcp)
3 and D wing/ reaves
lebron /davis/ PF?
davis /howard?/ big?

somethingh like that i am imagining, it can work with good health which is pretty unlikely, unfortunately for lakers

[sp6r=underrated]

Forget the lakers for a second.

Do you think Melo can find a job next year?

[Dutchball97]

Forget the lakers for a second.

Do you think Melo can find a job next year?

Looking at all the near retired vets on the Lakers I actually think Melo is one of the least bad offenders. He remained mostly healthy throughout the season, missed only a handful of games and ended up playing the 4th most minutes behind Westbrook, LeBron and Monk. While generally being available helps his case a lot he also provided pretty consistent scoring from the bench, nothing groundbreaking but definitely still good enough to have a spot on a NBA rotation. His defensive effort probably keeps him from playing too much but if a team wanted Melo and he wants to keep playing too I don't see why he couldn't be a decent bench scorer.

Personally I don't see the Lakers implosion as a result of 1 or 2 bad players but as a flawed teambuilding theory that was obvious from the start. Sure a lot of people saw them as contenders but you can't deny that from day 1 this was accompanied by a "if they remain healthy" disclaimer, which didn't even cover the clear lack of hustle and defensive identity on the team. We knew AD can't ever stay healthy, we knew Westbrook is on the decline and wouldn't fit well with such limited spacing and we knew LeBron at 37 likely didn't have the energy to carry this mess to the finals.

[Peregrine01]

Was listening to the Dunc'd On pod on top-10 players and was rather shocked to hear that they still have KD on the same tier as Giannis with Kawhi just behind them and Jokic and Embiid in the lower part of the top 10. Moreover, their reasoning seems convoluted.

They penalize Jokic and Embiid particularly badly for their defense while saying nothing of that sort about KD despite the Nets being in the bottom third on defense for two straight seasons now. With Jokic in particular they repeatedly point to the Suns series as the example for his shortcomings on defense without acknowledging that the Nuggets have plain poor point of attack defenders. Lastly, what's most indefensible is that they have Kawhi in the top 3 despite not having played a single minute this season. Completely head scratching.

[falcolombardi]

Was listening to the Dunc'd On pod on top-10 players and was rather shocked to hear that they still have KD on the same tier as Giannis with Kawhi just behind them and Jokic and Embiid in the lower part of the top 10. Moreover, their reasoning seems convoluted.

They penalize Jokic and Embiid particularly badly for their defense while saying nothing of that sort about KD despite the Nets being in the bottom third on defense for two straight seasons now. With Jokic in particular they repeatedly point to the Suns series as the example for his shortcomings on defense without acknowledging that the Nuggets have plain poor point of attack defenders. Lastly, what's most indefensible is that they have Kawhi in the top 3 despite not having played a single minute this season. Completely head scratching.

it sounds like they think you cannot be a top 3 player unless you have rings and fmvp's