Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

[LDNMagic90]

Didnt lebron already say he would retire if he ever had to go to orlando?

**** that egotistical whiny bitch

Yeah and then months later he said he would play for the team that drafts his son lol, which could easily be us (I'm hoping we don't).

i feel bad for whoever team drafts him tho.

Bronny is nothing like Lebron, he is mediocre highschool player- 6'2-180 pounds guard who can't shoot but has famous daddy.
Lebron entered nba, at age of 18 with 240 pounds on 6'9 frame.

Those genetics were not loyal, nor royal.

It's funny how much hype a prospect can get just off being related to a NBA player. We all know he's likely to go top 10 when he is drafted and it's probably not justified to pick him in the lottery. I don't want to limit him too much, but would Austin Rivers be a good comp for him as of now, with a bit less shooting (not like Austin Rivers is lights out historically anyway)?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Some UGLY stats regarding PG play this year and not shocked considering Chuckaroo Anthony has been given free reign & Suggs has left a lot to desire.

29th in Offensive Efficiency
.87 points per play when a pick gets set ( weak picks and TERRIBLE guard play) worst for ANY team in the LAST 5 YEARS.

Specifically on Chuckaroo, leads us FG attempts & 3's shot & is terrible attacking the rim. of 132 players who have attempted 200 layups/dunks buddy is shooting under 50% good for bottom 3 in the NBA.

Suggs issues aren't pretty either, he's DEAD LAST in FG% for jumpers & 124th in FG % at the rim.

[Knightro]

Jalen Suggs has been upgraded to questionable for tonight.

[basketballRob]

Looks like Vuc and Fournier's impact has been mostly garbage for their new teams and AG has been great.

Fournier played with 2 all-stars last year and got one playoff win. Vuc is playing with two all-stars. He didn't make the playoffs last year and they will make it this season.

[drsd]

Looks like Vuc ... impact has been mostly garbage for their new teams ....

How is 18/3/11 "garbage"? His PER is nearly 19.

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[Xatticus]

Looks like Vuc ... impact has been mostly garbage for their new teams ....

How is 18/3/11 "garbage"? His PER is nearly 19.

..

Because they are worse when he is on the floor. Only Dosunmu has worse on/off numbers among the Bulls' regulars.

RAPM ignores box score stats. It's entire purpose is to identify a player's impact by comparing the team's performance with said player against the team's performance without said player. Vucevic is 413th in RAPM this year. DeRozan is 33rd. Fournier is 442nd. Gordon is 29th. WCJ is 120th. Franz is 183rd.

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=1683034232

[Skybox]

Looks like Vuc ... impact has been mostly garbage for their new teams ....

How is 18/3/11 "garbage"? His PER is nearly 19.

..

Because they are worse when he is on the floor. Only Dosunmu has worse on/off numbers among the Bulls' regulars.

RAPM ignores box score stats. It's entire purpose is to identify a player's impact by comparing the team's performance with said player against the team's performance without said player. Vucevic is 413th in RAPM this year. DeRozan is 33rd. Fournier is 442nd. Gordon is 29th. WCJ is 120th. Franz is 183rd.

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=1683034232

Apparently, RAPM isn't the basis for CHI coaching staff's decisions...Wasn't DeRozan singled out last year as a guy whose teams performed better without him on the floor? Now he's the analytics champ? that's kind of like how Bamba was the per 48 champ until he got to play.

[basketballRob]

How is 18/3/11 "garbage"? His PER is nearly 19.

..

Because they are worse when he is on the floor. Only Dosunmu has worse on/off numbers among the Bulls' regulars.

RAPM ignores box score stats. It's entire purpose is to identify a player's impact by comparing the team's performance with said player against the team's performance without said player. Vucevic is 413th in RAPM this year. DeRozan is 33rd. Fournier is 442nd. Gordon is 29th. WCJ is 120th. Franz is 183rd.

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=1683034232

Apparently, RAPM isn't the basis for CHI coaching staff's decisions...Wasn't DeRozan singled out last year as a guy whose teams performed better without him on the floor? Now he's the analytics champ? that's kind of like how Bamba was the per 48 champ until he got to play.

Mo's having an off year but he has 5 more years before he peaks.

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[Xatticus]

How is 18/3/11 "garbage"? His PER is nearly 19.

..

Because they are worse when he is on the floor. Only Dosunmu has worse on/off numbers among the Bulls' regulars.

RAPM ignores box score stats. It's entire purpose is to identify a player's impact by comparing the team's performance with said player against the team's performance without said player. Vucevic is 413th in RAPM this year. DeRozan is 33rd. Fournier is 442nd. Gordon is 29th. WCJ is 120th. Franz is 183rd.

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=1683034232

Apparently, RAPM isn't the basis for CHI coaching staff's decisions...Wasn't DeRozan singled out last year as a guy whose teams performed better without him on the floor? Now he's the analytics champ? that's kind of like how Bamba was the per 48 champ until he got to play.

Are you making a point in there somewhere?

[Skybox]

Because they are worse when he is on the floor. Only Dosunmu has worse on/off numbers among the Bulls' regulars.

RAPM ignores box score stats. It's entire purpose is to identify a player's impact by comparing the team's performance with said player against the team's performance without said player. Vucevic is 413th in RAPM this year. DeRozan is 33rd. Fournier is 442nd. Gordon is 29th. WCJ is 120th. Franz is 183rd.

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=1683034232

Apparently, RAPM isn't the basis for CHI coaching staff's decisions...Wasn't DeRozan singled out last year as a guy whose teams performed better without him on the floor? Now he's the analytics champ? that's kind of like how Bamba was the per 48 champ until he got to play.

Are you making a point in there somewhere?

Didn’t think it was that veiled…Vuc has started 70 games and played 33.5 minutes per on a playoff team - maybe you should write Billy Donovan a letter and enlighten him.

[Xatticus]

Apparently, RAPM isn't the basis for CHI coaching staff's decisions...Wasn't DeRozan singled out last year as a guy whose teams performed better without him on the floor? Now he's the analytics champ? that's kind of like how Bamba was the per 48 champ until he got to play.

Are you making a point in there somewhere?

Didn’t think it was that veiled…Vuc has started 70 games and played 33.5 minutes per on a playoff team - maybe you should write Billy Donovan a letter and enlighten him.

It looked to me like a collection of completely unrelated and irrelevant statements. You still aren't making a point, are you? I think you are trying to imply that he must be good because Billy Donovan is playing him on a Bulls team that will be in the playoffs? By that logic, Elfrid Payton must've been terrific last year... no?

[Skybox]

Are you making a point in there somewhere?

Didn’t think it was that veiled…Vuc has started 70 games and played 33.5 minutes per on a playoff team - maybe you should write Billy Donovan a letter and enlighten him.

It looked to me like a collection of completely unrelated and irrelevant statements. You still aren't making a point, are you? I think you are trying to imply that he must be good because Billy Donovan is playing him on a Bulls team that will be in the playoffs? By that logic, Elfrid Payton must've been terrific last year... no?

No, actually…not close. Go back to your slide rule, leave the basketball decisions to Billy.

[Xatticus]

Didn’t think it was that veiled…Vuc has started 70 games and played 33.5 minutes per on a playoff team - maybe you should write Billy Donovan a letter and enlighten him.

It looked to me like a collection of completely unrelated and irrelevant statements. You still aren't making a point, are you? I think you are trying to imply that he must be good because Billy Donovan is playing him on a Bulls team that will be in the playoffs? By that logic, Elfrid Payton must've been terrific last year... no?

No, actually…not close. Go back to your slide rule, leave the basketball decisions to Billy.

It's such a dumb **** argument, dude. I don't know what to tell you. I can cite a million names if you please. Do you not remember the starting centers during the Bulls' dynasty? Advanced statistical analysis exists to refute dumb **** arguments... not the other way around.

[MagicFan101]

Vuc never made sense for Chicago to me. Perhaps that is the issue here?

This really doesn’t have to be a polarizing argument about individual players. In the end, how effective a player will be for a team truly does depend in many ways on how well they fit into the system that team runs. I just never understood why Vuc was the guy Chicago wanted to sell out for. It fully makes sense to me why he isn’t fitting in well there statistically.

[VFX]

Vuc never made sense for Chicago to me. Perhaps that is the issue here?

This really doesn’t have to be a polarizing argument about individual players. In the end, how effective a player will be for a team truly does depend in many ways on how well they fit into the system that team runs. I just never understood why Vuc was the guy Chicago wanted to sell out for. It fully makes sense to me why he isn’t fitting in well there statistically.

I thought it was weird too.

They already didn’t necessarily have the floor spacing with guys like DeRozen and Lavine as their focal offense. Adding Vuc just seemed like a paint clogging party.

[Knightro]

I thought it was weird too.

They already didn’t necessarily have the floor spacing with guys like DeRozen and Lavine as their focal offense. Adding Vuc just seemed like a paint clogging party.

Well...

To be fair, they didn't even have DeRozan (or Ball or Caruso or Jones) when they acquired Vucevic. Those guys came after they made the decision to trade for Vucevic.

And take this with whatever sized grain of salt you want, but DeRozan has suggested that Vucevic's recruiting and the fact they were former college teammates was a factor in his decision to sign with Chicago.

[VFX]

I thought it was weird too.

They already didn’t necessarily have the floor spacing with guys like DeRozen and Lavine as their focal offense. Adding Vuc just seemed like a paint clogging party.

Well...

To be fair, they didn't even have DeRozan (or Ball or Caruso or Jones) when they acquired Vucevic. Those guys came after they made the decision to trade for Vucevic.

And take this with whatever sized grain of salt you want, but DeRozan has suggested that Vucevic's recruiting and the fact they were former college teammates was a factor in his decision to sign with Chicago.

Yeah, more of the collective whole of their moves. Kind of worse if you think about it all thing considered in the timing.

[Bergmaniac]

Vuc never made sense for Chicago to me. Perhaps that is the issue here?

This really doesn’t have to be a polarizing argument about individual players. In the end, how effective a player will be for a team truly does depend in many ways on how well they fit into the system that team runs. I just never understood why Vuc was the guy Chicago wanted to sell out for. It fully makes sense to me why he isn’t fitting in well there statistically.

I thought it was weird too.

They already didn’t necessarily have the floor spacing with guys like DeRozen and Lavine as their focal offense. Adding Vuc just seemed like a paint clogging party.

They probably expected Vicevic to be more of a floor spacer on offense, after all he shot 40% from 3 in his last season for the Magic on a pretty big volume, but for whatever reason his 3 point shot has been terrible this year.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I thought it was weird too.

They already didn’t necessarily have the floor spacing with guys like DeRozen and Lavine as their focal offense. Adding Vuc just seemed like a paint clogging party.

Well...

To be fair, they didn't even have DeRozan (or Ball or Caruso or Jones) when they acquired Vucevic. Those guys came after they made the decision to trade for Vucevic.

And take this with whatever sized grain of salt you want, but DeRozan has suggested that Vucevic's recruiting and the fact they were former college teammates was a factor in his decision to sign with Chicago.

Seems pretty obvious DeRozan wanted to get to LA badly but LeGM had other thoughts and wanted Westbrick

[Bensational]

Looks like Vuc ... impact has been mostly garbage for their new teams ....

How is 18/3/11 "garbage"? His PER is nearly 19.

..

Because they are worse when he is on the floor. Only Dosunmu has worse on/off numbers among the Bulls' regulars.

RAPM ignores box score stats. It's entire purpose is to identify a player's impact by comparing the team's performance with said player against the team's performance without said player. Vucevic is 413th in RAPM this year. DeRozan is 33rd. Fournier is 442nd. Gordon is 29th. WCJ is 120th. Franz is 183rd.

http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm?id=1683034232