Joel: unchained.

[Bum Adebayo]

I wanted him to win MVP

lol no you didn't

Yes yes I did otherwise my epic meltdown ABSOLUTELY cannot be found.

[mjkvol]

I wanted him to win MVP

Yeah, it's so apparent in your daily posts.

[Bum Adebayo]

I wanted him to win MVP

Yeah, it's so apparent in your daily posts.

So one can not have a meltdown here and there? what do you expect exactly? I fully expected this to happen, that's why I advocated for resting Embiid, he would have the "what if" card because he beat Bucks the last time.
It was now or never for Embiid to win MVP, next year Giannis will be even better, Doncic and Tatum won't have the slow start they have had this season, and Jokic **** him lol
It's all gone, Embiid will never be MVP, and you want me to not be in ruins? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

[stormi]

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[Murray_17]

I wanted him to win MVP

Yeah, it's so apparent in your daily posts.

So one can not have a meltdown here and there? what do you expect exactly? I fully expected this to happen, that's why I advocated for resting Embiid, he would have the "what if" card because he beat Bucks the last time.
It was now or never for Embiid to win MVP, next year Giannis will be even better, Doncic and Tatum won't have the slow start they have had this season, and Jokic **** him lol
It's all gone, Embiid will never be MVP, and you want me to not be in ruins? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Dude, you started a thread in the general board about trading Embiid and said here that you would search for another team to root for.

Can you just not be a troll for once?.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah, it's so apparent in your daily posts.

So one can not have a meltdown here and there? what do you expect exactly? I fully expected this to happen, that's why I advocated for resting Embiid, he would have the "what if" card because he beat Bucks the last time.
It was now or never for Embiid to win MVP, next year Giannis will be even better, Doncic and Tatum won't have the slow start they have had this season, and Jokic **** him lol
It's all gone, Embiid will never be MVP, and you want me to not be in ruins? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Dude, you started a thread in the general board about trading Embiid and said here that you would search for another team to root for.

Can you just not be a troll for once?.

It's the only joy I have if Embiid cannot be MVP.

[76ciology]

Its easy to draw fouls right?

That’s why its hard for a team to have a foundation scorer and and a foundation defensive player. Whereas the later is prone to be in foul trouble that he can’t be the former.

[elchengue20]

I dont like Biid crying for his MVP and saying voters hate him. Its very childish and shows he's still immature.

If you dont win just acept there is others great candidates like Giannis, Jokic or Luka. Its a very close race. Deal with it and try to be even better in the Playoffs.

[stormi]

I dont like Biid crying for his MVP and saying voters hate him. Its very childish and shows he's still immature.

If you dont win just acept there is others great candidates like Giannis, Jokic or Luka. Its a very close race. Deal with it and try to be even better in the Playoffs.

Yea, he hasn't even won or lost the award yet so I'm not sure why he went and said that, but truthfully he hit a dry patch the past 2-3 weeks including losing nearly every big game we/he played in and that's going to linger in peoples minds.

Got stomped badly by the Nets on national TV in a game where everyone stopped and watched, lost to Booker and the Suns who dropped 40 on us, lost H2H against Giannis - getting outplayed and outperformed in the clutch including getting blocked, and then lost to Bones Hyland - even though he did win that individual matchup against Jokic.

Even as a Joel Embiid homer and fanatic, I don't have consensually atop my MVP ladder and I don't think he'll have been done a disservice if he does finish 2nd or 3rd. Some guys are being touted as having ATG caliber seasons per whatever metrics and statistics you want to look at, and you're right there being mentioned alongside of them. You should be proud of the season you're having, it's been remarkable.

[mjkvol]

I dont like Biid crying for his MVP and saying voters hate him. Its very childish and shows he's still immature.

If you dont win just acept there is others great candidates like Giannis, Jokic or Luka. Its a very close race. Deal with it and try to be even better in the Playoffs.

Yea, he hasn't even won or lost the award yet so I'm not sure why he went and said that, but truthfully he hit a dry patch the past 2-3 weeks including losing nearly every big game we/he played in and that's going to linger in peoples minds.

Got stomped badly by the Nets on national TV in a game where everyone stopped and watched, lost to Booker and the Suns who dropped 40 on us, lost H2H against Giannis - getting outplayed and outperformed in the clutch including getting blocked, and then lost to Bones Hyland - even though he did win that individual matchup against Jokic.

Even as a Joel Embiid homer and fanatic, I don't have him atop of my MVP leaderboard and I don't think he'll have been done a disservice if he does finish 2nd or 3rd. Some guys are being touted as having ATG caliber seasons per whatever metrics and statistics you want to look at, and you're right there being mentioned alongside of them. You should be proud of the season you're having, it's been remarkable.

I was thinking the same thing when I saw his quote - that he knows the last couple of weeks hurt him, especially in the eyes of the national media. Like you, I wouldn't have an issue if any of those four got the award, as all are 'deserving' in some manner.

Joel is making this a personal thing, as if it is 'bias' based if he doesn't get the award. I get that it is really important to him, but outwardly campaigning just reeks of desperation. Go out and do what you do - how a bunch of media people, all with individual axes to grind, vote is something completely out of your control.

[eyeatoma]

Just like all the other things he's done he'll learn.

I get it looks bad but the media can be really fickle. He was also very unlucky to lose last year. If he wasn't injured it was his.

As far as numbers he didn't have a drop off. His teammates failed him. If they win even half of those 4 big matchups this would be super close

Win two of the Nets, Celtics, Suns, Bucks games, he would probably still be MVP favorite.

Jo played better this year than last and has been the healthiest he's been. On top of that Joker although close in wins is a 6th seed. So he's obviously annoyed. Not a great look for him to show that to the media but this is who Jo is.
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[eyeatoma]

I dont like Biid crying for his MVP and saying voters hate him. Its very childish and shows he's still immature.

If you dont win just acept there is others great candidates like Giannis, Jokic or Luka. Its a very close race. Deal with it and try to be even better in the Playoffs.

Yea, he hasn't even won or lost the award yet so I'm not sure why he went and said that, but truthfully he hit a dry patch the past 2-3 weeks including losing nearly every big game we/he played in and that's going to linger in peoples minds.

Got stomped badly by the Nets on national TV in a game where everyone stopped and watched, lost to Booker and the Suns who dropped 40 on us, lost H2H against Giannis - getting outplayed and outperformed in the clutch including getting blocked, and then lost to Bones Hyland - even though he did win that individual matchup against Jokic.

Even as a Joel Embiid homer and fanatic, I don't have him atop of my MVP leaderboard and I don't think he'll have been done a disservice if he does finish 2nd or 3rd. Some guys are being touted as having ATG caliber seasons per whatever metrics and statistics you want to look at, and you're right there being mentioned alongside of them. You should be proud of the season you're having, it's been remarkable.

I was thinking the same thing when I saw his quote - that he knows the last couple of weeks hurt him, especially in the eyes of the national media. Like you, I wouldn't have an issue if any of those four got the award, as all are 'deserving' in some manner.

Joel is making this a personal thing, as if it is 'bias' based if he doesn't get the award. I get that it is really important to him, but outwardly campaigning just reeks of desperation. Go out and do what you do - how a bunch of media people, all with individual axes to grind, vote is something completely out of your control.

Some of the voters most definitely have a bias. All the advanced stats nerds who slobber over Jokic were aghast that Jokic wasn't in the lead for the 2nd straw poll and went on a podcast blitz campaigning for Jokic. It was sickening. Biggest issue was Zach Lowe doing it. In fact there was a post by a media member saying that the voters who don't follow much just go with who Lowe is picking and it's definitely a thing.

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[mjkvol]

Yea, he hasn't even won or lost the award yet so I'm not sure why he went and said that, but truthfully he hit a dry patch the past 2-3 weeks including losing nearly every big game we/he played in and that's going to linger in peoples minds.

Got stomped badly by the Nets on national TV in a game where everyone stopped and watched, lost to Booker and the Suns who dropped 40 on us, lost H2H against Giannis - getting outplayed and outperformed in the clutch including getting blocked, and then lost to Bones Hyland - even though he did win that individual matchup against Jokic.

Even as a Joel Embiid homer and fanatic, I don't have him atop of my MVP leaderboard and I don't think he'll have been done a disservice if he does finish 2nd or 3rd. Some guys are being touted as having ATG caliber seasons per whatever metrics and statistics you want to look at, and you're right there being mentioned alongside of them. You should be proud of the season you're having, it's been remarkable.

I was thinking the same thing when I saw his quote - that he knows the last couple of weeks hurt him, especially in the eyes of the national media. Like you, I wouldn't have an issue if any of those four got the award, as all are 'deserving' in some manner.

Joel is making this a personal thing, as if it is 'bias' based if he doesn't get the award. I get that it is really important to him, but outwardly campaigning just reeks of desperation. Go out and do what you do - how a bunch of media people, all with individual axes to grind, vote is something completely out of your control.

Some of the voters most definitely have a bias. All the advanced stats nerds who slobber over Jokic were aghast that Jokic wasn't in the lead for the 2nd straw poll and went on a podcast blitz campaigning for Jokic. It was sickening. Biggest issue was Zach Lowe doing it. In fact there was a post by a media member saying that the voters who don't follow much just go with who Lowe is picking and it's definitely a thing.

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Oh' don't get me wrong, I couldn't agree more on the media. Listen, I always say that I don't hate athletes or coaches, I save all my hate for politicians and the media, most of whom are lazy, petty, and have several axes to grind. Virtually all of the opinion type media stuff I see is from you guys, because even the thought of watching or taking serious Steven Smith or anyone on ESPN is pretty nauseating, even these alleged "insiders", who are all in agents' and GM's pockets.

I don't believe there's a media person alive without an agenda these days, but it's pretty schiitty that anyone who doesn't watch games extensively and pay attention actually gets a vote. This is why I consider most awards and the Halls of Fame a joke - it's all politics and favoritism based on who might have given you good quotes or you considered a better person. If the media is involved, you can bet there is politics and B.S. involved.

Now I'll tell you how I really feel .....

[rzzzzz]

To hell with the MVP award. This year there’s so much specially specified statistics that signify nothing. Joel’s problem is that he was the front runner whose popularity peaked a couple of months ago. Regardless of how well he’s playing now.

Much more important is that he looks like he’s going into this year’s playoffs in the best shape of his life. And, as evidenced from the interview, he’s finally got the discipline to figure out how to go full tilt without putting himself in jeopardy. Remember all those posts about trading him while his value was good, because of the certainty of his rapid decline? He sure as hell ain’t declining this year.

[Mik317]

him not getting the award is fine.

MVP winners tend to lose in the playoffs it feels and he should use it as fuel to keep improving. Joel...for better or for worse, obviously reads what is said about him and has used that to improve. Fat and out of shape? In his best shape. Too much post ups? Worked on his face up game. Turnover prone? Became a better passer (still a work in progress lol). Hell he lost the award last year because he missed too many games (which was bull btw)....played the most games of his career. So if he finds a way to become even more dominant and get his VORP and HERPDERP stats up...that only benefits us.

[johanliebert]

Him not getting the award is fine for you guys but not him. The Simmons debacle allowed Embiid to be in a position to carry the load he won’t get the same opportunity next season.

I don’t think he’s been a front runner either it’s been a race between he and Jokic. Those beat writers will need to explain the formula to every advanced metric they will use when picking Jokic.

[FireMorey]

You can be the MVP and not win the MVP. The former is objective reality. The latter is a subjective decision by NBA voters.

A scientific community can vote Mars as the largest planet in the solar system, but that doesn't mean it is.

Embiid is the MVP, whether he wins it or not. That is objective truth.

[Sixerscan]

I don't understand why people like John Hollinger are using defensive box score plus minus as like a guiding light for defense? It says on basketball-reference, the place that more or less popularized the stat, that it shouldn't be taken seriously as a statistic:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm2.html

BPM was created to intentionally only use statistics that are widely available and are available historically. Recently in the NBA far more statistics have been gathered, either from play-by-play or hand tracking, which allow more detailed metrics. BPM does not include that data and should not be as accurate as stats that do include the additional information (assuming they are implemented rigorously!) like Player Impact Plus/Minus and Real Plus/Minus.

There are limitations on all box score stats – if the box score doesn't measure a particular contribution, a box-score-based metric can only approximate that contribution. This is not a great hindrance on the offensive side, as nearly everything of importance on offense is captured by the box score (only missing things like screen-setting), but on defense the box score is quite limited. Blocks, steals, and rebounds, along with what little information offensive numbers yield about defensive performance are all that is available. Such critical components of defense as positioning, communication, and the other factors that make Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan elite on defense can't be captured, unfortunately.

What does this mean? Box Plus/Minus is good at measuring offense and solid overall, but the defensive numbers in particular should not be considered definitive. Look at the defensive values as a guide, but don't hesitate to discount them when a player is well known as a good or bad defender.

As you can tell from it referencing Garnett and Duncan this isn't a new blurb, it's been on the website for as long as I can remember.

[Bum Adebayo]

him not getting the award is fine.

No, no it's NOT.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think he'll get it this year. I also don't think he's calling anyone haters either. He's simply saying that it's Philly vrs Everybody and I agree with that. What more does he have to do?