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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#41 » by Knightfall » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:17 pm

Not2BeBothered wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:I am not here to defend NYC's vaccine mandate (which no longer exists) or Toronto's mandate.

I just want justice for Irving because he is literally the only one being called out for not being vaccinated and the only player in the league who lost salary due to local vaccination mandate.

There are many NBA players who are not vaccinated who managed to play in both NYC and San Francisco during the peak of the pandemic. All these players have been in the same boat as Irving but none has been victimized like Irving.

Facts, if the Celtics play against Toronto, I would like to Know if Brown is going to receive the same criticism that Kyrie got


How many of those player play in NY or Toronto where the vax was and is mandated? That's why Irving lost salary etc...
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#42 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:18 pm

CptCrunch wrote:I am not here to defend NYC's vaccine mandate (which no longer exists) or Toronto's mandate.

I just want justice for Irving because he is literally the only one being called out for not being vaccinated and the only player in the league who lost salary due to local vaccination mandate.

There are many NBA players who are not vaccinated who managed to play in both NYC and San Francisco during the peak of the pandemic. All these players have been in the same boat as Irving but none has been victimized like Irving.


Irving wasn't victimized. COVID caused massive amounts of death. The state had the right to try to force people to get the shot. He choose not to. He wants to be a typhoid mary so no sympathy for me for the flat Earther.
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#43 » by HotelVitale » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:18 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
realball wrote:
Cavsfansince84 wrote:
You mean like the preliminary data that said the vaccines had 99% efficacy when they first started rolling them out which is now down to 20% or less or the reams of data about increases in all sorts of dangerous side effects relating to them? Let's look at all data if we are going to bring it up. The vaccines aren't even being covered by life insurance if they prove fatal since they are labeled as experimental.


So what Youtube conspiracist did you learn all this from?

The vaccines were never at 99% efficacy lol. It was like 94% for Moderna, against the first strain. These vaccines aren't as effective against Omnicron, but Omnicron is also not nearly as dangerous, which is why you most places opening up right now despite the huge surge in cases. What dangerous side effects have been published?


They were being announced at 99% at first. Even if I take your number we are at 94%. The vaccines were not released specifically to deal with just what they were calling Omicron either. Vaers is the reporting system used for vaccine injury in this country and there are more cases already reported for these vaccines than all other vaccines combined going back to like 2014. You don't need to find conspiracy videos on Youtube to know any of this. Point being that a lot of data released at first did not turn out to be accurate at all. Just as deaths due to covid have been drastically reduced in many countries after they admitted there were errors made in how they were recorded. Also, here is a link to a story from May of last year claiming 99% efficacy for vaccines. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-dr-saqib-shahab-1.6022879
Now here is another which says 20% after 6 months. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10064291/Pfizers-Covid-efficacy-against-infection-plunges-20-six-months-data-Qatar-shows.html


I don't want to wade into the depths of the topic here, but I just glanced at the articles and they don't say what you think they're saying. The first one gets its 99% figure because it's only measuring how many people caught COVID in the first three weeks after getting vaccinated. Most people obviously don't get COVID in a 3-week span no matter how high or low risk they are (and if they're vaxxed or not), so most of that % is just how short the time frame is there. The article makes that clear and much of the article is actually pointing out how weak/problematic the claim was.

The second link just says that one type of vaccine (Pfizer) becomes unreliable after 6 months, but "protection against severe illness and death remains high after half a year, sitting at around the 90 per cent mark." The rest of the article cites other studies that support the vaccine's effectiveness too. Wasn't a very interesting/groundbreaking article.
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#44 » by eyeatoma » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:19 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
GeorgeSears wrote:
You don't need to get boosted to enter Canada.

PER Tim Bontemps:

This article says he was vaccinated.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/76ers-matisse-thybulle-should-return-during-road-trip/

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It looks like Sixers lied or Matisse lied to the Rotowire Staff writer.

A league source told PhillyVoice that as of yet, there has been no indication that Thybulle's position has changed on receiving the vaccine. It is presently unknown whether the likelihood of this playoff scenario and any public blowback Thybulle might face — in addition to pressure from teammates in the locker room — will ultimately sway him to get vaccinated.


https://www.phillyvoice.com/matisse-thybulle-covid-vaccine-not-vaccinated-toronto-raptors-travel-playoffs/
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#45 » by Castle Black » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:20 pm

I’ll save y’all a bunch of arguing for the sake of time:

The Sixers are not going to win the Championship, whether Thybulle plays or not. (Sorry Philly fans)

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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#46 » by Duffman100 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:20 pm

Aw. That’s a shame.
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#47 » by nikster » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:30 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
realball wrote:
Cavsfansince84 wrote:
You mean like the preliminary data that said the vaccines had 99% efficacy when they first started rolling them out which is now down to 20% or less or the reams of data about increases in all sorts of dangerous side effects relating to them? Let's look at all data if we are going to bring it up. The vaccines aren't even being covered by life insurance if they prove fatal since they are labeled as experimental.


So what Youtube conspiracist did you learn all this from?

The vaccines were never at 99% efficacy lol. It was like 94% for Moderna, against the first strain. These vaccines aren't as effective against Omnicron, but Omnicron is also not nearly as dangerous, which is why you most places opening up right now despite the huge surge in cases. What dangerous side effects have been published?


They were being announced at 99% at first. Even if I take your number we are at 94%. The vaccines were not released specifically to deal with just what they were calling Omicron either. Vaers is the reporting system used for vaccine injury in this country and there are more cases already reported for these vaccines than all other vaccines combined going back to like 2014. You don't need to find conspiracy videos on Youtube to know any of this. Point being that a lot of data released at first did not turn out to be accurate at all. Just as deaths due to covid have been drastically reduced in many countries after they admitted there were errors made in how they were recorded. Also, here is a link to a story from May of last year claiming 99% efficacy for vaccines. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-dr-saqib-shahab-1.6022879

Now here is another which says 20% after 6 months. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10064291/Pfizers-Covid-efficacy-against-infection-plunges-20-six-months-data-Qatar-shows.html

Its very clear that you dont understand medical trials or statistics (common thread among antivaxers). Crazy how much misinformation you have in one post

The initial trials Pfizer/Moderna conducted showed around 90% accuracy. These are the studies that gave the medications the emergency authorization. The Saskatchewan study was extremely small sample, only a 3 week timeframe during the period which the vaccines are most effective. In either case the data was not inaccurate, you just have to understand the limitations and what theyre studying. The 20% efficacy was against mild infection, protection against severe disease remained high. Your comparing apples and oranges, your looking at two completely different end points.

VAERS is next to useless, was a abused by anti vaxxers before COVID, not surprising they took to expressing their outrage over a mandatory new vaccine. There was not a drastic reduction in covid deaths from many countries, care to cite an example?
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#48 » by AussieCeltic » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:37 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:Interesting, doesn't seem like Thybulle's personality. But I know that his mom--who passed away when he was a teenager--was deeply into natural medicine, wonder if that was the influence.


its because of nationalities australia is way more lax. whats really interesting is why the hell sixers didnt trade his ass they might get swept 1st round.


I don't know why I bother responding to someone like you.


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Fully vaccinated Australia - 83%

1st dose USA - 77.6%
fully vaccinated USA - 66.1%

Also I'm sure Thybulle had to be fully vaccinated to go to the Olympics?
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#49 » by Cavsfansince84 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:38 pm

nikster wrote:Its very clear that you dont understand medical trials or statistics (common thread among antivaxers). Crazy how much misinformation you have in one post

The initial trials Pfizer/Moderna conducted showed around 90% accuracy. These are the studies that gave the medications the emergency authorization. The Saskatchewan study was extremely small sample, only a 3 week timeframe during the period which the vaccines are most effective. In either case the data was not inaccurate, you just have to understand the limitations and what theyre studying. The 20% efficacy was against mild infection, protection against severe disease remained high. Your comparing apples and oranges, your looking at two completely different end points.

VAERS is next to useless, was a abused by anti vaxxers before COVID, not surprising they took to expressing their outrage over a mandatory new vaccine. There was not a drastic reduction in covid deaths from many countries, care to cite an example?


I get it. All data used by the cdc or vaccine makers is 100% legitimate because it is what it is and they are just doing the best that they can. Pointing out how efficacy continuously dropped over the last 18 months is just me passing along false info though because it wasn't 99% efficacy like the article stated(among many) but rather 94% and so on and so forth. Also, vaers, the cdc's own method for keeping track of vaccine injuries is untrustworthy because you say so. That pretty much sums up how all of this has worked for the last 2 years. You aren't allowed to question any of it though because then you are just a conspiracy nutjob. Just ignore the fact that 3 of the 5 largest fines ever dealt out in class action lawsuits were paid by companies which made these vaccines and they are experimental. I mean I don't care who is or isn't getting these vaccines because its their choice but its extremely disingenuous to act like all data supports how great and safe they are because often its not even known for another 5-6 years after they release these sorts of things. I support everyone's right to not allow a gov't to force injections on them in the name of 'science'.
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#50 » by srhcan » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:40 pm

whitehops wrote:
KHRICH wrote:
whitehops wrote:he played in toronto on december 28th... i live in toronto and i haven't heard of any new rules not allowing unvaccinated people in since then?

It started in January, I believe the 15th.


phanman wrote:Rule was implemented as of Jan 15th for all unvaccinated athletes/players and even with the recent modifications they still are not allowed to.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/mendicino-athlete-vaccination-exemption-1.6256370


thanks, i will admit i actively try to stay out of all the vaccine-related political drama.

it's good news for the raps!

On principle every player should be eligible to play in US and Canada whether they are vaccinated or not. Both these countries should take it easy and relax
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#51 » by Black Mage » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:40 pm

Man, just avoid all dudes from Australia. Think their brains get baked out in the Outback sun.
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#52 » by Appostis » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:41 pm

realball wrote:
Cavsfansince84 wrote:
realball wrote:
So what Youtube conspiracist did you learn all this from?

The vaccines were never at 99% efficacy lol. It was like 94% for Moderna, against the first strain. These vaccines aren't as effective against Omnicron, but Omnicron is also not nearly as dangerous, which is why you most places opening up right now despite the huge surge in cases. What dangerous side effects have been published?


They were being announced at 99% at first. Even if I take your number we are at 94%. The vaccines were not released specifically to deal with just what they were calling Omicron either. Vaers is the reporting system used for vaccine injury in this country and there are more cases already reported for these vaccines than all other vaccines combined going back to like 2014. You don't need to find conspiracy videos on Youtube to know any of this. Point being that a lot of data released at first did not turn out to be accurate at all. Just as deaths due to covid have been drastically reduced in many countries after they admitted there were errors made in how they were recorded. Also, here is a link to a story from May of last year claiming 99% efficacy for vaccines. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-dr-saqib-shahab-1.6022879

Now here is another which says 20% after 6 months. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10064291/Pfizers-Covid-efficacy-against-infection-plunges-20-six-months-data-Qatar-shows.html


Jesus, read the articles before you post them. The first one says that the vaccines had been 99% effective in Saskatchewan, not that the efficacy rate is 99%.

And the second one says the efficacy drops to 20% after 6 months... which is why we receive booster shots. If a person got the vaccine right now, they would >90% likely not to get one of the pre-Omni strains.

Where's the source for vaccine-related deaths? How many were there, do you even know?

It's insane to me how anti-vaxxers can barely read but still pretend like they can understand statistics.



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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#53 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:41 pm

AussieCeltic wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:Interesting, doesn't seem like Thybulle's personality. But I know that his mom--who passed away when he was a teenager--was deeply into natural medicine, wonder if that was the influence.


its because of nationalities australia is way more lax. whats really interesting is why the hell sixers didnt trade his ass they might get swept 1st round.


I don't know why I bother responding to someone like you.


1st dose Australia - 86.5%
Fully vaccinated Australia - 83%

1st dose USA - 77.6%
fully vaccinated USA - 66.1%

Also I'm sure Thybulle had to be fully vaccinated to go to the Olympics?


Maybe he got Sinovac?
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#54 » by Sofia » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:41 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:Interesting, doesn't seem like Thybulle's personality. But I know that his mom--who passed away when he was a teenager--was deeply into natural medicine, wonder if that was the influence.


its because of nationalities australia is way more lax. whats really interesting is why the hell sixers didnt trade his ass they might get swept 1st round.


wut? Australia is over 95% is double vaccinated for 16+ (Some states are as high as 98.7%) and 68.4% boosted.

The US is around 82% for 16+ double vax and only around half have received a booster.

edit - ah Aussie Celtic beat me with total population data
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#55 » by CoachD » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:42 pm

CptCrunch wrote:I am not here to defend NYC's vaccine mandate (which no longer exists) or Toronto's mandate.

I just want justice for Irving because he is literally the only one being called out for not being vaccinated and the only player in the league who lost salary due to local vaccination mandate.

There are many NBA players who are not vaccinated who managed to play in both NYC and San Francisco during the peak of the pandemic. All these players have been in the same boat as Irving but none has been victimized like Irving.


Let's avoid revisionist history and fact distortion.

A) it's a Federal mandate. Not a Toronto one.
B) the US has the same mandate. Travel from another country, show proof of vaccination.
C) Kyrie got paid all year.
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#56 » by Mik317 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:42 pm

Raptors/Nurse often played him off the court anyway lol
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#57 » by CoachD » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:43 pm

sip wrote:It is crazy that we are even still at this point where countries want to keep out the unvaccinated. Any rational person could see that the vaccine did absolutely nothing to stop people contracting and spreading Omnicrom. Since there is no difference between a vaccinated and unvaccinated persons ability to catch and spread the virus it makes these mandates completely pointless. Also do we know if Thybulle contracted covid during the season? If so then he has better anti bodies than someone that is vaccinated but hasn't caught the virus.


America has the exact same policy.
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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#58 » by xdrta+ » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:45 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
nikster wrote:Its very clear that you dont understand medical trials or statistics (common thread among antivaxers). Crazy how much misinformation you have in one post

The initial trials Pfizer/Moderna conducted showed around 90% accuracy. These are the studies that gave the medications the emergency authorization. The Saskatchewan study was extremely small sample, only a 3 week timeframe during the period which the vaccines are most effective. In either case the data was not inaccurate, you just have to understand the limitations and what theyre studying. The 20% efficacy was against mild infection, protection against severe disease remained high. Your comparing apples and oranges, your looking at two completely different end points.

VAERS is next to useless, was a abused by anti vaxxers before COVID, not surprising they took to expressing their outrage over a mandatory new vaccine. There was not a drastic reduction in covid deaths from many countries, care to cite an example?


I get it. All data used by the cdc or vaccine makers is 100% legitimate because it is what it is and they are just doing the best that they can. Pointing out how efficacy continuously dropped over the last 18 months is just me passing along false info though because it wasn't 99% efficacy like the article stated(among many) but rather 94% and so on and so forth. Also, vaers, the cdc's own method for keeping track of vaccine injuries is untrustworthy because you say so. That pretty much sums up how all of this has worked for the last 2 years. You aren't allowed to question any of it though because then you are just a conspiracy nutjob. Just ignore the fact that 3 of the 5 largest fines ever dealt out in class action lawsuits were paid by companies which made these vaccines and they are experimental. I mean I don't care who is or isn't getting these vaccines because its their choice but its extremely disingenuous to act like all data supports how great and safe they are because often its not even known for another 5-6 years after they release these sorts of things. I support everyone's right to not allow a gov't to force injections on them in the name of 'science'.


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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#59 » by Black Mage » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:45 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:Interesting, doesn't seem like Thybulle's personality. But I know that his mom--who passed away when he was a teenager--was deeply into natural medicine, wonder if that was the influence.


its because of nationalities australia is way more lax. whats really interesting is why the hell sixers didnt trade his ass they might get swept 1st round.


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Re: Thybulle Unvaccinated 

Post#60 » by CoachD » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:47 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
realball wrote:
Cavsfansince84 wrote:
You mean like the preliminary data that said the vaccines had 99% efficacy when they first started rolling them out which is now down to 20% or less or the reams of data about increases in all sorts of dangerous side effects relating to them? Let's look at all data if we are going to bring it up. The vaccines aren't even being covered by life insurance if they prove fatal since they are labeled as experimental.


So what Youtube conspiracist did you learn all this from?

The vaccines were never at 99% efficacy lol. It was like 94% for Moderna, against the first strain. These vaccines aren't as effective against Omnicron, but Omnicron is also not nearly as dangerous, which is why you most places opening up right now despite the huge surge in cases. What dangerous side effects have been published?


They were being announced at 99% at first. Even if I take your number we are at 94%. The vaccines were not released specifically to deal with just what they were calling Omicron either. Vaers is the reporting system used for vaccine injury in this country and there are more cases already reported for these vaccines than all other vaccines combined going back to like 2014. You don't need to find conspiracy videos on Youtube to know any of this. Point being that a lot of data released at first did not turn out to be accurate at all. Just as deaths due to covid have been drastically reduced in many countries after they admitted there were errors made in how they were recorded. Also, here is a link to a story from May of last year claiming 99% efficacy for vaccines. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-dr-saqib-shahab-1.6022879

Now here is another which says 20% after 6 months. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10064291/Pfizers-Covid-efficacy-against-infection-plunges-20-six-months-data-Qatar-shows.html



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