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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#301 » by doclinkin » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:33 pm

NatP4 wrote:Clarke is averaging 19 points per36 on a 65% TS.


And 81% of his FG attempts are within 10 feet of the basket.

If all Hachimura did was dunk and shoot lay-ups his FG% would be .836 compared to Clarke's .766 at the same distance.
If you let them also shoot outside shots, and nothing in the mid-range --Daryl Morey style-- Rui would be .836 and .457 compared to Clarke's .766 and .227.

The short point is that Rui has lots of room for improvement (hah!) :clown: where shot selection alone could improve his game.

Where Clarke seems maxed out in his role as an undersized energy big coming off the bench. Unless he can fix his jumper, this is as good as he is going to get.

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#302 » by NatP4 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:45 pm

I disagree with the idea that Rui has more room for improvement than Clarke, but as it stands, Rui is an awful player, and Clarke is a very good one.

My main point is simply that Clarke’s size does not matter. He’s just a normal C. Every C in the NBA has to play next to another forward that can shoot 3s. He has the athletic ability to guard 4s on defense.

We all know he would be just fine playing next to Porzingis. It makes no difference whatsoever if all his shots are dunks and putbacks. That’s all Harrell does, and he’s a significantly better player than Rui as well.

Rui can improve his shot selection to be more efficient, but he will never understand team defense and help side rotations. He will never rebound and block shots at the rim. He’s never going to have quick twitch athletic ability to be able to switch onto guards and not get destroyed. His only real upside is becoming some lights out 1st option scorer like Carmelo Anthony. Who still wasn’t all that good or useful.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#303 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:59 pm

NatP4 wrote:Rui can improve his shot selection to be more efficient, but he will never understand team defense and help side rotations. He will never rebound and block shots at the rim. He’s never going to have quick twitch athletic ability to be able to switch onto guards and not get destroyed. His only real upside is becoming some lights out 1st option scorer like Carmelo Anthony. Who still wasn’t all that good or useful.

I agree with much of this, other than the switching onto guards part. Last year in particular, he held his own nicely when he switched onto guards. He seems a bit heavier this year when he should probably try and get lighter. He will probably always be a poor help defender.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#304 » by CobraCommander » Mon Apr 4, 2022 9:55 pm

payitforward wrote:
doclinkin wrote:...Rui, frankly, was an upside gamble, with worse stats than his teammate St Brandon Clarke. But Clarke can't get 20 minutes a game and his jumpshooting %'s have gotten WORSE every year -- vs -- Rui whose shooting efficiency has risen every year. We are at the point where Clarke is shooting 22% from outside, where Rui is hitting 47% from 3....

I wouldn't bother with this, except it is likely to mislead people in the extreme! Brandon Clarke is having one of the best seasons of any player in the league.

Let's compare him & his buddy Rui, why don't we?

You make it sound like Rui is being featured, while Clarke is somehow having trouble getting on the floor. But, in fact, Rui is playing exactly 1.7 minutes more per game than Clarke.

You make it sound like Rui is scoring really well, while Brandon Clarke can't get a bucket. But, in fact, Clarke scores more than Rui -- more points per 40 minutes not fewer points! Ok, in fairness it's only 1/2 a point more! :) But, still.

You make it sound like Rui is a far more efficient scorer than Clarke. But, in fact the opposite is true. Rui is posting an very nicely improved & good TS% at .595. Nothing to complain about there. Only... Brandon Clarke's TS% is .655 -- a whole whole lot better!

Obviously, Clarke is the better scorer -- not much question about that! But, of course there's more to the game than scoring, right?

Per 36 minutes, Rui is grabbing 5.2 defensive rebounds. Brandon Clarke is grabbing 6.1 -- better.

Of course, defensive rebounds aren't the only kind. What about offensive boards? Well... per 36 minutes Rui does get one of those -- yes, he gets 1. Brandon Clarke does just a wee bit better. He gets 4.

Overall, that's 10.1 by Clarke as against 6.2 for Rui. That's in addition to scoring more points than Rui at a much higher eFG% than Rui.

Then again, scoring & rebounding are not all of the game. There's more to being better than another player than simply scoring more points, scoring those points more efficiently, & controlling possessions with your rebounding. Although... those things are quite important, aren't they?

For example, what about assists? Clarke gets 32% more assists per 36 minutes than Rui.

But what about stocks? Clarke gets slightly more steals than Rui, & he blocks five times as many shots as Rui. Wait... can that really be? Let me double check....

Yes, that is right. More points, at a far higher overall scoring %, 4 times as many offensive rebounds, over 17% more defensive boards, 32% more assists, 5 times as many blocks, slightly more steals.

Did I mention that Rui turns the ball over 40% more than Clarke? I don't think so. It's a fact. But, you know what? Nobody's perfect. Per 36 minutes, Brandon Clarke commits 1.4 more fouls than Rui Hachimura.

So there you are. But, of course someone will mention Rui's extraordinary 3-pt. shooting. So let me break down that scoring comparison:

Every 36 minutes, Rui takes 14.4 shots which produce 16.59 points. Every 36 minutes, Clarke takes 12.8 shots which produce 16.49 points.

Thus, by taking 1.6 more FGAs than Clarke, Rui produces .1 more points. Read that carefully before you announce that Rui's high 3 pt. % makes him a better shooter or scorer than Clarke.

Rui also goes to the line 2.5 times, which adds 1.8 points, while Clarke gets to the line 3.9 times, which adds 2.5 points, which is why he scores more points than Rui despite Rui's rather higher usage.

It's all right here: https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=hachiru01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=clarkbr01&p2yrfrom=2022

I know a lot of you like the mystery meat stats -- so feel free to compare Clarke's VORP, which is 1.8, to Rui's, which is .2. Or their PER (Clarke=23.6, Rui=15.6). Or their WS/48 (Clarke=.242, Rui=.087) & so forth.

Y’all wasting time talking about Clark... it’s comical that y’all think that he can be had when Memphis ramping up for a dynastic run with a owner that loves the young core that includes Brandon...

The off season question that I want answered is, do we have right offensive and defensive schemes based on the roster Tommy constructs?

I know many people may not agree with me, but coaching has been an issue. Bickerstaff and Wes were neck and neck at some point and now they are not being discussed as both being elite young coaching prospects....they have the jobs but one is considered potentially elite the other is Wes. Wes gonna need to retool the coaching strategy and tactics too
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#305 » by FAH1223 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:19 am

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Rui can improve his shot selection to be more efficient, but he will never understand team defense and help side rotations. He will never rebound and block shots at the rim. He’s never going to have quick twitch athletic ability to be able to switch onto guards and not get destroyed. His only real upside is becoming some lights out 1st option scorer like Carmelo Anthony. Who still wasn’t all that good or useful.

I agree with much of this, other than the switching onto guards part. Last year in particular, he held his own nicely when he switched onto guards. He seems a bit heavier this year when he should probably try and get lighter. He will probably always be a poor help defender.


We need

A PG

Mikal Bridges

Jae Crowder

And then we’re a solid postseason squad
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#306 » by Dark Faze » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:01 pm

I'm glad we missed on Lonzo. Injury prone.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#307 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:24 pm

NatP4 wrote:Clarke is one of the best players in the NBA. Rui is not a good player and does not help his team win. I don’t see any comparison at all. It was still a huge mistake to pick Rui over Clarke.

Worse than that: the mistake was not to trade down from #9 & get #20 & #22 from Boston.

Take Clarke @ 20 & Thybulle at 22 -- if he was still on the board. If Thybulle was gone, then take Keldon Johnson.

Now, in fairness, you couldn't know in advance who would be available at #20 & 22.

But, Keldon Johnson alone would have been a better pull from that draft than Rui. He's a better player than Rui, younger than Rui, etc. He went #29.

For that matter, Thybulle alone would have been a better result than Rui. Much better.

&, of course, Clarke alone would have been better than Rui.

The fact that we could have gotten 2 of those 3 without question makes it clear what a bad draft pick Rui was. His college career didn't merit a high pick. His rudimentary BBIQ didn't merit a high pick. What merited a high pick, & why he was chosen, is obvious: he brought the Wizards a new market for merch etc.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#308 » by dckingsfan » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:51 pm

CobraCommander wrote:I know many people may not agree with me, but coaching has been an issue.

Yeah, schemas and rotations are the issue for this season. I wish that doc's rotation thread had included schemas and was "stickied".

I don't think Wes is all that from a small sample size of one season for a rookie head coach. Something else that is not going to change moving forward.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#309 » by Ruzious » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:23 pm

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nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Rui can improve his shot selection to be more efficient, but he will never understand team defense and help side rotations. He will never rebound and block shots at the rim. He’s never going to have quick twitch athletic ability to be able to switch onto guards and not get destroyed. His only real upside is becoming some lights out 1st option scorer like Carmelo Anthony. Who still wasn’t all that good or useful.

I agree with much of this, other than the switching onto guards part. Last year in particular, he held his own nicely when he switched onto guards. He seems a bit heavier this year when he should probably try and get lighter. He will probably always be a poor help defender.


We need

A PG

Mikal Bridges

Jae Crowder

And then we’re a solid postseason squad

Since Bridges and Crowder are the biggest keys to Phoenix' defense, and Phoenix has easily the best record in the NBA, they just might want to keep them. :wink:
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#310 » by gesa2 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:43 pm

CobraCommander wrote:

Y’all wasting time talking about Clark... it’s comical that y’all think that he can be had when Memphis ramping up for a dynastic run with a owner that loves the young core that includes Brandon...

The off season question that I want answered is, do we have right offensive and defensive schemes based on the roster Tommy constructs?

I know many people may not agree with me, but coaching has been an issue. Bickerstaff and Wes were neck and neck at some point and now they are not being discussed as both being elite young coaching prospects....they have the jobs but one is considered potentially elite the other is Wes. Wes gonna need to retool the coaching strategy and tactics too


I wonder how Bickerstaff and Wes would look right now if we hadn’t pursued fools gold at the end of the regular season and tanked like we all wanted? If we had Mobley?
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#311 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:15 pm

This is just a not very well supported optimistic take following up my post in the KP trade thread.

From what I've seen since the KP trade I think the Wizards young core looks pretty good. Of course, you shouldn't believe what you see / stats you can read from the last 15/20 games of each regular season. However, the outlook seems bright enough for all of Deni, Gaff, Kispert and (even?) Rui. And there's no real reason not to use the #10-#12 pick in the draft unless you can already magic that into a PG. As far as the vets go with the timeline: I don't think you have a problem with KP. He'd almost certainly like to get a couple of sustained seasons in with exactly this kind of youngish, but not totally unbaked, lineup. Beal - idk - you'll have to tell me. Otherwise you've had KCP, Sato and Ish playing up to a good level of useful but not amazing vet. I think the Wizards could easily do worse than keeping these versions of Sato and KCP. That leaves Kuz - who I like as a player, but am not quite sure how well he fits with the rest of the roster. Maybe you just keep him. Maybe you try to trade him for a PG.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#312 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:46 pm

Well, we're winning, & winning makes you feel good about the future.

We closed last season going 17-6, then we opened this season 10-3. I've still got bandages on every place I got burned by that 27-9 stretch! :)

It would be an absolute nightmare if we traded our R1 pick for "a PG."
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#313 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:07 am

payitforward wrote:Well, we're winning, & winning makes you feel good about the future.

We closed last season going 17-6, then we opened this season 10-3. I've still got bandages on every place I got burned by that 27-9 stretch! :)

It would be an absolute nightmare if we traded our R1 pick for "a PG."

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#314 » by FAH1223 » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:35 am

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#315 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Apr 7, 2022 10:40 am

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According to Samsung the above can be played by the Spotify or YouTube music...

If you have 8 minutes to listen to a guy say the same thing about 5 times and smack his lips... I got this idea after midnight of a pretty long day but it's better than typing at this time

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#316 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Apr 7, 2022 11:21 am

Synopsis:

Do what docklinkin says. Tori Eason should be on the board because his age might dissuade a few. He is a no-brainer.

The other kid doc suggested out if Missouri State, Moseby(?), looks like a starter. Easy pick in round 2.

My ideas:

Draft Tori Eason or trade down

Round Two:
TREYVION WILLIAMS
EJ Liddell

Free Agent

Jalen Smith

Trade for
DayRon Sharpe

Also consider
Delon Wright
Robin Lopez

Trade down from 12-13


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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#317 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Apr 7, 2022 11:27 am

Jalen Smith and DayRon Sharpe are big players who are going to do like Gafford and Wendell Carter Jr on their second or third team.

TREYVION was woefully underutilized at Purdue. His PASSING, REBOUNDING, and leadership impressed me.

EJ Liddell seems like he MIGHT be a Montrezl Harrell type at C. HIS ENERGY is premium.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#318 » by Ruzious » Thu Apr 7, 2022 11:30 am

payitforward wrote:Well, we're winning, & winning makes you feel good about the future.

We closed last season going 17-6, then we opened this season 10-3. I've still got bandages on every place I got burned by that 27-9 stretch! :)

It would be an absolute nightmare if we traded our R1 pick for "a PG."

It would depend on who the PG trade target is. The real nightmare would be reaching for a PG in draft like this, imo.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#319 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Apr 7, 2022 11:49 am

Ruz, since you're still awake, I apologize for not editing those before you saw that RANT :)

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#320 » by doclinkin » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:58 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Synopsis:

Do what doclinkin says. Tari Eason should be on the board because his age might dissuade a few. He is a no-brainer.

The other kid doc suggested out if Missouri State, Moseby(?), looks like a starter. Easy pick in round 2.



I'd be happy with that draft. Tari Eason, Isiaih Mosley. Competitive fire.

More Mosley:




Jamal Crawford level of scoring cockiness. As a ballhandler it doesn't look like he shares the ball much, or leastways would rather go 1-on-5 and make the flashy pass than give the ball up and reposition for pass back. But he's an automatic bucket with the ball in his hands. The 50/40/90 club level. And maybe the ast/to ratio changes once he's got someone to pass to. He's got handle, can pass, but at Missouri State calling his own number is probably the higher percentage play.

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