Jalen Brunson obsession

[HarthorneWingo]

How much suckage will it be if the Pistons sign both Mitch and Brunson?

The thing working in anyone who really wants Jalen in a Knicks uniform's favor is that he's from NJ, was a Knick fan and his dad both played for and now works for the Knicks.

Mitch isn't going to the Pistons.

He's going to Dallas or Golden State.

Maybe we can sign and trade him to GS in exchange for James Wiseman?

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But then we would have to kill Melo.

[RHODEY]

I think Tyus Jones could be the more sensible PG for us right now. Knicksfan1992 agrees.

Ty-us Ty-us Ty-us!

Get him too. Get them all. I'm sick of non PGs

And draft TyTy Washington. And sign Tyreke Evans & Tyler Johnson. Full roster of Ty PGs.

Possible Knicks '22-'23 slogans:
"If we can't win, might as well Ty"
"Playoffs or die Tying"

And dont forget Ty Lawson...pull him out of retirement!

[RHODEY]

Why are Knicks fans so obsessed with mediocrity?

Why are so many obsessed with maintaining SUBmediocrity?

We’ve never been sub mediocre. If we had chosen to be, we wouldn’t be in this extraordinary mess.

Look at Houston, Cleveland and Orlando. That’s how it’s supposed to be done. All of those teams have had more success than us during the last twenty years.

We suck because we never really appreciate being very bad instead of mediocre. We must always trot out the Randles, Fourniers, and THJrs of this league.

and that stems from Dolan...I think.

[Nazrmohamed]

But we’re mediocre right now

are you sure you know what mediocre means?

Yeah a team in no mans land. A team not bad enough to get a top 3 pick nor good enough to be in the playoffs. Basically what we are we

Yeah I hear you but trending matters. I truly believe if we started winning as we did after the ASG a week earlier we mightve made the playoffs.

Now listen, I know you read that and then think I'm all about veterans over youth like Thibs. But truth is that's become this dated thing we regurgitate without actually looking. Since the Allstar break our young players have been playing a much larger part in what we do. If anything I wish Thibs valued them earlier but in terms of winning vs tanking I don't mind winning the way we have lately. With Quickley playing, with Obi getting more minutes, with RJ stepping up. I'd love to talk about top 3 picks but you gonna tell young players you've already picked not to try to win games? Yes Burks and Fournier still linger but our young guys were a big part of our second half.... tank failure for lack of a better phrase.

You can be man. I think you go get that top pick but feel all our young players suck too. I'm not opposed to tanking these last 2 games though.

[nedleeds]

Our offense would look A LOT better and way more organized in the final 5 minutes of games if we had someone even at Brunson's level. Right now we have a gaping hole in that role in that situation.

Good. Hopefully we lose all those close games next year and get a great pick. If a full year at point guard for I.Q. full time as a starter says he's not the guy then draft over him.

[KNICKS007]

Our offense would look A LOT better and way more organized in the final 5 minutes of games if we had someone even at Brunson's level. Right now we have a gaping hole in that role in that situation.

Good. Hopefully we lose all those close games next year and get a great pick. If a full year at point guard for I.Q. full time as a starter says he's not the guy then draft over him.

Even when we have a good pick, we usually grab some fake combo guard (grimes, mcbride, IQ, FRANK, toney douglas, galloway) or big men that cant shoot.

Spend 2 to 4 yrs trying to convert them to a pure pg, lose a bunch of games in the process, then send them packing..

[nedleeds]

Our offense would look A LOT better and way more organized in the final 5 minutes of games if we had someone even at Brunson's level. Right now we have a gaping hole in that role in that situation.

Good. Hopefully we lose all those close games next year and get a great pick. If a full year at point guard for I.Q. full time as a starter says he's not the guy then draft over him.

Even when we have a good pick, we usually grab some fake combo guard (grimes, mcbride, IQ, FRANK, toney douglas, galloway) or big men that cant shoot.

Spend 2 to 4 yrs trying to convert them to a pure pg, lose a bunch of games in the process, then send them packing..

All those picks suck they weren't in the top 3. We need top 3 picks for 4-5 years. We were 1 ping pong ball from having Ja, instead we got Gerald Henderson III. You have to just keep at it until you pick a potential top 20 player.

[thebuzzardman]

Jalen Brunson is the man

[Adelheid]

I do believe some peeps here not wanting Brunson because they want a blue chip rookie or seasoned player.

but....

we cant get a blue chip rookie pg because we dont bottom out well enough to get one

...and we cant get a star guard because stars dont like dolan

So what are we supposed to do then? any better ideas other than trying to get Jalen B/any seasoned non-star guard?

[aq_ua]

I do believe some peeps here not wanting Brunson because they want a blue chip rookie or seasoned player.

but....

we cant get a blue chip rookie pg because we dont bottom out well enough to get one

...and we cant get a star guard because stars dont like dolan

So what are we supposed to do then? any better ideas other than trying to get Jalen B/any seasoned non-star guard?

A part of me thinks we could have signed FVV for $25mm per year, but are now pushing for poor man's FVV for $20mm per year. Ugh.

[Adelheid]

fred looks to be a smart guy. he aint signing in this cesspool of a franchise

the randle extension must be a message to FAs that the knicks are willing to pay big for middling talent

[HighRyzer83]

We always had an obsession with mediocre PGs dating back to Mike James and Raman sessions

[thebuzzardman]

We always had an obsession with mediocre PGs dating back to Mike James and Raman sessions

True enough. And yet still didn't sign or get either until well past their prime.

[thebuzzardman]

I like Brunson from afar. I'll probably like him like Fournier and Randle once he's a Knick.

[DOT]

I think Brunson is pretty good

Here's his stats per36 with and without Luka

This year

w/ Luka : 15/4/4 on 50/42/87 splits, .605 TS, 114.4 Ortg, +3.1 Net, +/- of +2.0

w/out Luka: 22/5/7 on 50/33/82 splits, .568 TS, 111.0 Ortg, +5.1 Net, +/- of +3.9

Last year

w/ Luka: 16/4/3 on 52/42/79 splits, .637 TS, 114.5 Ortg, +6.8 Net, +/- of +4.7

w/out Luka: 20/5/7 on 53/39/80 splits, .607 TS, 111.3 Ortg, +3.9 Net, +/- of +2.5

It makes sense, playing next to a great playmaker like Luka you can see the inverse efficiency-volume thing I always talk about. Especially on the 3pt% this year, almost a 10 point drop

But we have 2 full seasons of data saying Brunson is at least solid even without Luka, so I don't think he'll be bad if we got him

The question is, is he worth the money we'd have to sign him for as well as the assets to acquire him?

[RHODEY]

Dude is like 18 and 6 as a starter, arguably the 2nd best player for a playoff to team. When did we become so good that we could turn our noses up at that?

[moocow007]

Dude is like 18 and 6 as a starter, arguably the 2nd best player for a playoff to team. When did we become so good that we could turn our noses up at that?

Well we did turn our noses on a dude that was 24, 10 and 6 as a starter, unquestioningly the best player for a playoff team. So not sure that the stats says it all when it comes to a long term big dollar committment. Brunson on a contract like what Dallas has been paying him? No question bring it. Brunson at $20+ million per over 4 or 5 years? Yeah that's a different type of view.

[8516knicks]

Dude is like 18 and 6 as a starter, arguably the 2nd best player for a playoff to team. When did we become so good that we could turn our noses up at that?

Well we did turn our noses on a dude that was 24, 10 and 6 as a starter, unquestioningly the best player for a playoff team. So not sure that the stats says it all when it comes to a long term big dollar committment. Brunson on a contract like what Dallas has been paying him? No question bring it. Brunson at $20+ million per over 4 or 5 years? Yeah that's a different type of view.

Isn't that what people were saying ab0ut FVF? A poor man's Lillard. And how have Lillard's teams done lately?

Remember when the board was dreaming of KD and Kyrie? [not to mention adding Harden too!] How's that worked out for them? NY Nets FOUR games over .500. Just traded Harden for Simmons who still doesn't want to play (just get paid).

Mavs are TWENTY games over .500. Is Doncik alone 5 times better than ALL of them combined? If not, maybe Brunson would be a start here.

20M too much for a PG? Okay, back to washed Kemba, Mudiay, Burke, Burks, Jose Ole, Payton...the list goes on!

Actually, I think Brunson stays with Dallas. Knicks would HAVE to offer $5M more than anyone else to get him to come to this mess.

[moocow007]

Dude is like 18 and 6 as a starter, arguably the 2nd best player for a playoff to team. When did we become so good that we could turn our noses up at that?

Well we did turn our noses on a dude that was 24, 10 and 6 as a starter, unquestioningly the best player for a playoff team. So not sure that the stats says it all when it comes to a long term big dollar committment. Brunson on a contract like what Dallas has been paying him? No question bring it. Brunson at $20+ million per over 4 or 5 years? Yeah that's a different type of view.

Isn't that what people were saying ab0ut FVF? A poor man's Lillard. And how have Lillard's teams done lately?

Remember when the board was dreaming of KD and Kyrie? [not to mention adding Harden too!] How's that worked out for them? NY Nets FOUR games over .500. Just traded Harden for Simmons who still doesn't want to play (just get paid).

Mavs are TWENTY games over .500. Is Doncik alone 5 times better than ALL of them combined? If not, maybe Brunson would be a start here.

20M too much for a PG? Okay, back to washed Kemba, Mudiay, Burke, Burks, Jose Ole, Payton...the list goes on!

Actually, I think Brunson stays with Dallas. Knicks would HAVE to offer $5M more than anyone else to get him to come to this mess.

You're spinning that pretty strong aren't you? FVF wasn't worth it then and he's not worth it now so that doesn't really help the argument for Brunson. If anything that works against Brunson. And if you'd rather have FVF or Brunson over Lillard then I don't know what else to say. You put FVF and Brunson on the Blazers teams and you'd think the Blazers would be better? Seriously? That's what you're saying here right?

And the Knicks would still be better off with KD and Kyrie than the gaggle of whatever they have right now so that also doesn't help. If they decide to trade KD or Kyrie they'll get back more than the entire Knicks team in terms of value. So yeah better record and better assets is what the Nets have.

20M to much for a PG? Yeah...if he's not a real PG and not worth 20M. The trash the Knicks have had means absolutely nothing to justify Brunson at $20+ million per over 4 to 5 years. 80% of the PG's in the NBA are better than what the Knicks have had and it doesn't mean that we should pay them excessively to be better than trash here does it? Him being better than trash doesn't mean he's worth that much money.

Knick fans LOVE building up other teams players as more than they are and then pretty much like clockwork turn on them when they realize seeing them up close they have plenty of worts and holes in their game. Grass is greener, the other teams players are better...

You guys were doing this same spin with Patty Mills when he was on those GREAT Spurs teams. Some of you were going nuts about how the Knicks should get him cause look how good the Spurs are and Mills can be that PG that the Knicks have been missing.

[Spree2Houston]

Brunson for Randle looking like a real possibility now