2021-22 NBA scoring title watch

[xdrta+]

Can someone help me understand the scoring title requirements?

Is LeBron completely out of the running due to not playing enough games? Or is he still eligible somehow?

58 games to qualify, bron has 56, hes out of the race.

Not exactly. He could still win it if his point total would have given him the highest ppg if he appeared in 58 games. IOW, divide his total points by 58; if that's the highest ppg, he wins the title.

EDIT: This is spelled out here.
https://www.nba.com/stats/help/statminimums/

[Ursusamericanus]

I think they care a little because it forms part of their legacy, post-retirement.

Being both the DOPY and the Scoring Champion shows accomplishment both sides of the ball.
The more the accolades (in addition to MVP, finals MVP, first team, etc), the stronger the argument
to have him Top 20 all time when all is said and done.

I get that Giannis sat during the blow-out win, but other players have done the same. Embiid very recently sat the entire 4th quarter. It happens. Good for the big man to get rest. He’d appreciate that because there are bigger fish to fry, but the scoring champ is a nice accomplishment to have as well.

Good timing - around 11:25 in this video he's asked precisely about that (caring about the scoring title) and he talks about it being a distraction and something he couldn't care less about. Real interesting, I love his mentality. He clearly just doesn't give a ****. Only cares about the endless process of improvement, not accolades or outcomes (though, with his mindset and abilities, he gets those as a side effect anyway).

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What they say and how they feel don’t always match. You expect him to say him is aiming for that scoring title? Of course he won’t say. It’s quite naive to think he doesn’t know he is averaging 30 PPG - as mentioned by another person in this thread

Plenty of players do - LeBron has bemoaned never winning DPOY, Embiid clearly wants MVP, and of course D-Rob had his 71 point game... I'd say most of them care. Giannis is just cut from a different cloth and he's been on record saying stuff like this many times. He just cares about constant improvement without distractions (or thoughts of the future). Admirable stuff.

[MindState]

Can someone help me understand the scoring title requirements?

Is LeBron completely out of the running due to not playing enough games? Or is he still eligible somehow?

58 games to qualify, bron has 56, hes out of the race.

Not exactly. He could still win it if his point total would have given him the highest ppg if he appeared in 58 games. IOW, divide his total points by 58; if that's the highest ppg, he wins the title.

EDIT: This is spelled out here.
https://www.nba.com/stats/help/statminimums/

So basically LeBron can still win the scoring title if he doesent play another game, but it would require Embiid and Giannis to just go scoreless the rest of the year in the games they play?

[LordCovington33]

Giannis has scored under 30 in each of the last 3 games while averaging 18 FGA's per game in that span. He clearly doesn't give a **** about the scoring title.

Glad you included the game where he played only 24 minutes in a blowout in that total. If you exclude that, he took 21 and 22 shots on those other two games (to get those sub-30 points), which is still higher than his 18.6 FGA for the season. Not the strongest of arguments.
And not too strong an argument to say he didn’t care about getting more points in the Mavs match since they ended up losing. More points would mean a better chance of winning that match. You can’t even say he was feeding others because he only managed two assists. His stat sheet was down on his season average in those 40 minutes. (Yes 40 minutes). Down match, and probably more to do with the Mavs guarding him well.
And before anybody says, if he cared, he would have played more minutes in the blow out. No, he wouldn’t.
Championship > scoring title
If he got injured chasing the title, then that’s the end of his team’s hopes.

[Hankey89]

58 games to qualify, bron has 56, hes out of the race.

Not exactly. He could still win it if his point total would have given him the highest ppg if he appeared in 58 games. IOW, divide his total points by 58; if that's the highest ppg, he wins the title.

EDIT: This is spelled out here.
https://www.nba.com/stats/help/statminimums/

So basically LeBron can still win the scoring title if he doesent play another game, but it would require Embiid and Giannis to just go scoreless the rest of the year in the games they play?

No Lebron cannot win without playing again because he has a lower ppg average than Embiid currently, and has played less games. So Lebron missing games has a bigger negative impact on his average than Embidd. If Lebron didn't play the last 2 games, and Embiid played the last 2 games but scored zero points, Embiid would still have a higher average.

[Ron Swanson]

He literally said he doesn't care about it, and his play in recent games 100% supports that notion. Giannis' usage in April (31%) is far and away his lowest month of the season. For comparison, Embiid's FGA the last 4-games are 22, 30, 26, and 16 (in a blowout cuz I guess this matters?). Lebron's last 5-games before he was ruled out, he shot 23, 27, 29, 29, and 26 times. He doesn't care, dude.

[CM17]

Can someone help me understand the scoring title requirements?

Is LeBron completely out of the running due to not playing enough games? Or is he still eligible somehow?

58 games to qualify, bron has 56, hes out of the race.

Not exactly. He could still win it if his point total would have given him the highest ppg if he appeared in 58 games. IOW, divide his total points by 58; if that's the highest ppg, he wins the title.

EDIT: This is spelled out here.
https://www.nba.com/stats/help/statminimums/

Pretty weird exception to the rule. I wonder if this ever happened besides the example in steals.

Fun fact: if Wilt hadn't played in 61/62 Elgin Baylor would be the ppg leader despite playing only 48 games - if you follow today's requirements.

[LordCovington33]

He literally said he doesn't care about it, and his play in recent games 100% supports that notion. Giannis' usage in April (31%) is far and away his lowest month of the season. For comparison, Embiid's FGA the last 4-games are 22, 30, 26, and 16 (in a blowout cuz I guess this matters?). Lebron's last 5-games before he was ruled out, he shot 23, 27, 29, 29, and 26 times. He doesn't care, dude.

Jokic has also said he doesn’t care if he wins MVP, as long as a big gets it. You think that is accurate too? Many say stuff in the media to seem less ego-driven and more of a team-man. However, if you wish to take every player’s comment at face value, be my guest.

[Sofia]

Can someone help me understand the scoring title requirements?

Is LeBron completely out of the running due to not playing enough games? Or is he still eligible somehow?

Just to clarify, Lebron is qualified, but he will lose about 0.5 pt average for each remaining game (and lose by default).

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It's true and something I didn't really cover off on (see the Durant example on previous pages on how a player can qualify if they don't play the minimum 58 games), but it's still mathematically impossible for Lebron to take the lead without playing games.

If Embiid plays and scores 0 points, in both of his remaining games, he will have an average of 29.54.

If Lebron doesn't play, his total points for the season divided by the qualifying number (1695 / 58) will only bring him to 29.22.

[BallerTalk]

Oops

[BoatsNZones]

58 games to qualify, bron has 56, hes out of the race.

Not exactly. He could still win it if his point total would have given him the highest ppg if he appeared in 58 games. IOW, divide his total points by 58; if that's the highest ppg, he wins the title.

EDIT: This is spelled out here.
https://www.nba.com/stats/help/statminimums/

Pretty weird exception to the rule. I wonder if this ever happened besides the example in steals.

Fun fact: if Wilt hadn't played in 61/62 Elgin Baylor would be the ppg leader despite playing only 48 games - if you follow today's requirements.

I can't recall the occasions, but I know it has happened a few times (be it ppg/rpg, etc).

The truly odd thing is that I *think* it only applies to "scoring titles", etc, which to my knowledge are not a real thing. So while Lebron will average 30.2 ppg on the season, he will finish 3rd in the "scoring title" (again, not a real thing), with 29.2 ppg.

If there has ever been a season where we should begin to simply make the shift to total points, rebounds, etc as the true league leader (as virtually every sport does), it's this one. It would help make All NBA/MVP selections much more coherent as well. The best ability will ALWAYS be availability after all.

[shakes0]

in my eyes the race is between Trae and Derozan.

Time to get rid of antiquated PPG and go with totals.

[MrGoat]

in my eyes the race is between Trae and Derozan.

Time to get rid of antiquated PPG and go with totals.

It's the only race left. Embiid has PPG on lock at this point with LeBron out, should probably just take that last game off and rest for the playoffs

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah of course, since Embiid is going to win it, now it is a meaningless stat.

[topsearch92]

Not exactly. He could still win it if his point total would have given him the highest ppg if he appeared in 58 games. IOW, divide his total points by 58; if that's the highest ppg, he wins the title.

EDIT: This is spelled out here.
https://www.nba.com/stats/help/statminimums/

Pretty weird exception to the rule. I wonder if this ever happened besides the example in steals.

Fun fact: if Wilt hadn't played in 61/62 Elgin Baylor would be the ppg leader despite playing only 48 games - if you follow today's requirements.

I can't recall the occasions, but I know it has happened a few times (be it ppg/rpg, etc).

The truly odd thing is that I *think* it only applies to "scoring titles", etc, which to my knowledge are not a real thing. So while Lebron will average 30.2 ppg on the season, he will finish 3rd in the "scoring title" (again, not a real thing), with 29.2 ppg.

If there has ever been a season where we should begin to simply make the shift to total points, rebounds, etc as the true league leader (as virtually every sport does), it's this one. It would help make All NBA/MVP selections much more coherent as well. The best ability will ALWAYS be availability after all.

Miles Turner, 20-21 Blocks leader

[Hussien Fatal]

If Joel doesn’t play the last game Giannis would have to score 78 points to win the scoring title, Embiid Is the scoring champ and the first one since Shaq and he’s the 1st since Moses as a center to average over 30. Oh also he’s the 1st international player to win the scoring title. Absolutely amazing season by Embiid.

[XTC]

Congrats Embiid! He's had a great season!

[scrabbarista]

in my eyes the race is between Trae and Derozan.

Time to get rid of antiquated PPG and go with totals.

my eyes, too

[eyeatoma]

Yeah of course, since Embiid is going to win it, now it is a meaningless stat.

Lmao this

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[Perseus1966]

in my eyes the race is between Trae and Derozan.

Time to get rid of antiquated PPG and go with totals.

my eyes, too

its unfair .
who won it last year? 1st time i noticed scoring title.