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I know you're a big fan and watch closely every move Isaac makes. Do you have a link for the Crane and Co. Interview today, where Isaac talks basketball?swarlesbarkley wrote:Ducklett wrote:This board has all the political nuance of a hamster.
Enlighten us, Mr. Not-a-hamster!
Omg, Isaac may not have the same views as you. He must be an idiot.Magic_Kingdom wrote:Skybox wrote:tiderulz wrote:then you arent googling the right sites. one of the main beliefs of Qanon from the beginning was the child molesting/blood drinking cabal. that the orange guy would arrest and execute all these people. that it included hollywood, politicians, business owners.
whackadoodle doesnt begin to describe it.
We've always had whackadoodles...the scary development is that some of our "normal"neighbors are buying in on a large scale. Frightening revelation...that this group has become more than an amusing story. Isaac is "useful idiot"...most of the hacks speaking get rich from selling this BS to the weak and stupid (who are always looking for someone else to point at), they're all probably like "what the hell is HE doing here?"
What he is doing there is lending apparent legitimacy to the lunatic fringe. Here is this upstanding, Christian, squeaky clean NBA player sharing the stage with a former general who recently advocated a military coup in the United States, and the MyPillow CEO who advocated the imposition of martial law.
You said it yourself, he is likely the "useful idiot". He allows the far right wing to claim they are more mainstream than people think. And like I said in a previous post, anti-vaxxers and anti-kneelers who follow Isaac are prime candidates for targeted information campaigns because they are more likely to believe dark forces (in government, civil rights movements, academia, medicine) are out to get them.
basketballRob wrote:Have you ever heard Isaac say something crazy? If you're in a room with someone it doesn't mean you share all their views.thelead wrote:RookieStar wrote:Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?
Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?
I personally don't care as long as he can play at an elite level... but... I do worry about how the young guys take to his crazy. I dismissed his choice on the vaccine but hanging out with the Qanon crowd... that's hard to just ignore. Teammates don't have to be friends but weird distractions aren't needed either. Then to top it all off, he hasn't played in nearly 2 years... is he worth the crazy?
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cedric76 wrote:JI is the man, he uses his brain and isn't a sheep
cedric76 wrote:JI is the man, he uses his brain and isn't a sheep
tiderulz wrote:RookieStar wrote:Well thats your definition of Qanan which is kinda different than in google. Who knows.. dont really wanna know more about that stuff.
But if JI isnt converting anyone or doing weird ish then I dont care if he goes to any legal gatherings. And yeah, his talent is worth the gamble.
then you arent googling the right sites. one of the main beliefs of Qanon from the beginning was the child molesting/blood drinking cabal. that the orange guy would arrest and execute all these people. that it included hollywood, politicians, business owners.
whackadoodle doesnt begin to describe it.
thelead wrote:basketballRob wrote:Have you ever heard Isaac say something crazy? If you're in a room with someone it doesn't mean you share all their views.thelead wrote:I personally don't care as long as he can play at an elite level... but... I do worry about how the young guys take to his crazy. I dismissed his choice on the vaccine but hanging out with the Qanon crowd... that's hard to just ignore. Teammates don't have to be friends but weird distractions aren't needed either. Then to top it all off, he hasn't played in nearly 2 years... is he worth the crazy?
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He's been MIA for years so no, I haven't heard him say much.
That said, if I knowingly worked with someone that hung out with Qanon members and spoke at their events, I would go a long way to make sure I avoid conversing with them unless absolutely required. Not the ideal working environment, don't you agree?
RookieStar wrote:thelead wrote:basketballRob wrote:Have you ever heard Isaac say something crazy? If you're in a room with someone it doesn't mean you share all their views.
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He's been MIA for years so no, I haven't heard him say much.
That said, if I knowingly worked with someone that hung out with Qanon members and spoke at their events, I would go a long way to make sure I avoid conversing with them unless absolutely required. Not the ideal working environment, don't you agree?
Now that's... a slippery slope. I mean, that is a political issue right? What if it is religious? You will avoid say a Muslim because you heard of 911/suicid bombings/degrading women/etc? Wha'ts next? Avoiding co-workers who are vegan because you are a meat-eater?
Anti-vaxxer, Flat-earther, etc etc?
I mean as long as you don't bring your "baggage" with you to work shouldn't it be live and let live?
Sorry, it's just that I interact with so many different nationality/beliefs/race/religion/ whatever you wanna call it that I can get along or respect personal spaces and continue to work with them.
tiderulz wrote:RookieStar wrote:thelead wrote:He's been MIA for years so no, I haven't heard him say much.
That said, if I knowingly worked with someone that hung out with Qanon members and spoke at their events, I would go a long way to make sure I avoid conversing with them unless absolutely required. Not the ideal working environment, don't you agree?
Now that's... a slippery slope. I mean, that is a political issue right? What if it is religious? You will avoid say a Muslim because you heard of 911/suicid bombings/degrading women/etc? Wha'ts next? Avoiding co-workers who are vegan because you are a meat-eater?
Anti-vaxxer, Flat-earther, etc etc?
I mean as long as you don't bring your "baggage" with you to work shouldn't it be live and let live?
Sorry, it's just that I interact with so many different nationality/beliefs/race/religion/ whatever you wanna call it that I can get along or respect personal spaces and continue to work with them.
so i agree with your basis. i work with people i know have different religious beliefs, political beliefs than me and thats fine. but i honestly question someone's intelligence if they believe in Qanon
basketballRob wrote:I know you're a big fan and watch closely every move Isaac makes. Do you have a link for the Crane and Co. Interview today, where Isaac talks basketball?swarlesbarkley wrote:Ducklett wrote:This board has all the political nuance of a hamster.
Enlighten us, Mr. Not-a-hamster!
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RookieStar wrote:thelead wrote:basketballRob wrote:Have you ever heard Isaac say something crazy? If you're in a room with someone it doesn't mean you share all their views.
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He's been MIA for years so no, I haven't heard him say much.
That said, if I knowingly worked with someone that hung out with Qanon members and spoke at their events, I would go a long way to make sure I avoid conversing with them unless absolutely required. Not the ideal working environment, don't you agree?
Now that's... a slippery slope. I mean, that is a political issue right? What if it is religious? You will avoid say a Muslim because you heard of 911/suicid bombings/degrading women/etc? Wha'ts next? Avoiding co-workers who are vegan because you are a meat-eater?
Anti-vaxxer, Flat-earther, etc etc?
I mean as long as you don't bring your "baggage" with you to work shouldn't it be live and let live?
Sorry, it's just that I interact with so many different nationality/beliefs/race/religion/ whatever you wanna call it that I can get along or respect personal spaces and continue to work with them.
thelead wrote:RookieStar wrote:thelead wrote:He's been MIA for years so no, I haven't heard him say much.
That said, if I knowingly worked with someone that hung out with Qanon members and spoke at their events, I would go a long way to make sure I avoid conversing with them unless absolutely required. Not the ideal working environment, don't you agree?
Now that's... a slippery slope. I mean, that is a political issue right? What if it is religious? You will avoid say a Muslim because you heard of 911/suicid bombings/degrading women/etc? Wha'ts next? Avoiding co-workers who are vegan because you are a meat-eater?
Anti-vaxxer, Flat-earther, etc etc?
I mean as long as you don't bring your "baggage" with you to work shouldn't it be live and let live?
Sorry, it's just that I interact with so many different nationality/beliefs/race/religion/ whatever you wanna call it that I can get along or respect personal spaces and continue to work with them.
Qanon is not your average 'political' group. It's almost the equivalent of saying 'shouldn't you be okay with your coworker being part of the KKK as long as he doesn't bring it up at work?'.... um... no, some things are not okay.
He's a intelligent person, so I doubt that he believes outrageous stuff like that.FFBlitzace wrote:Until he flat out says he believes in specific ridiculous things, I'm going to respect him enough to not assume he believes it. Would you be happy if you found out people were thinking you believed the earth was flat and controlled by lizard people? You'd be offended, because that's absurd. Some people do believe it, but they're genuinely mentally ill. Until proven otherwise, Jonathan Isaac is an upstanding citizen that happens to be conservative. Which is not in itself a bad thing or a good thing. Just like being liberal is not in itself a bad thing or a good thing.
FFBlitzace wrote:Until he flat out says he believes in specific ridiculous things, I'm going to respect him enough to not assume he believes it. Would you be happy if you found out people were thinking you believed the earth was flat and controlled by lizard people? You'd be offended, because that's absurd. Some people do believe it, but they're genuinely mentally ill. Until proven otherwise, Jonathan Isaac is an upstanding citizen that happens to be conservative. Which is not in itself a bad thing or a good thing. Just like being liberal is not in itself a bad thing or a good thing.
basketballRob wrote:He's a intelligent person, so I doubt that he believes outrageous stuff like that.FFBlitzace wrote:Until he flat out says he believes in specific ridiculous things, I'm going to respect him enough to not assume he believes it. Would you be happy if you found out people were thinking you believed the earth was flat and controlled by lizard people? You'd be offended, because that's absurd. Some people do believe it, but they're genuinely mentally ill. Until proven otherwise, Jonathan Isaac is an upstanding citizen that happens to be conservative. Which is not in itself a bad thing or a good thing. Just like being liberal is not in itself a bad thing or a good thing.
A breakdown of his interview today. He says the hamstring was a hiccup and he is healthy now. He would pick Banchero number one.
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RookieStar wrote:thelead wrote:RookieStar wrote:
Now that's... a slippery slope. I mean, that is a political issue right? What if it is religious? You will avoid say a Muslim because you heard of 911/suicid bombings/degrading women/etc? Wha'ts next? Avoiding co-workers who are vegan because you are a meat-eater?
Anti-vaxxer, Flat-earther, etc etc?
I mean as long as you don't bring your "baggage" with you to work shouldn't it be live and let live?
Sorry, it's just that I interact with so many different nationality/beliefs/race/religion/ whatever you wanna call it that I can get along or respect personal spaces and continue to work with them.
Qanon is not your average 'political' group. It's almost the equivalent of saying 'shouldn't you be okay with your coworker being part of the KKK as long as he doesn't bring it up at work?'.... um... no, some things are not okay.
Matter of perspective....
you know.. glad you touched on the kkk part. Did you know to quite a few people here in asia.. well tbh, outside USA, people who try to understand a little about what is happening there consider blm equal to kkk? Like they consider it one of those racist group like nazis and etc. Especially when they saw all the looting and stuff on the news? Hard to explain to them its more about equal protection against police brutality and all when they see news about asian hate, looting, stealing and getting away with it etc etc. especially from the Singaporean group ( esp those 40s above ) where law is king for them.
But yeah... moving on from political talk....
Point is.. if JI is not causing trouble in the locker room then I have no problems with him.