Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

AbC? · Post #401 » by **AbC?** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:58 am

IDK why Mobley doesn't get compared to Bosh more often. That's who I see more than anything when I watch him. That's still a perennial all-star but not a #1 and probably not an elite #2 either, still a HOF caliber player. The best players in the league couple elite skill with overwhelming physical tools. That's what makes Jokic/Embiid/Giannis/AD/Lebron/Kawhi so good. Mobley is tall and has elite mobility but his frame is small and he has high hips that up his center of gravity. I'd be very surprised if he reaches Duncan/KG/peak AD level impact.

LoveMyRaps · Post #402 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:59 am

tecumseh18 wrote:Yay! Doris Burke comes through for us.

Doris always come thru for the Raps. I bet she had Siakam on her All-NBA team as well.

God Squad · Post #403 » by **God Squad** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:29 am

AbC? wrote:IDK why Mobley doesn't get compared to Bosh more often. That's who I see more than anything when I watch him. That's still a perennial all-star but not a #1 and probably not an elite #2 either, still a HOF caliber player. The best players in the league couple elite skill with overwhelming physical tools. That's what makes Jokic/Embiid/Giannis/AD/Lebron/Kawhi so good. Mobley is tall and has elite mobility but his frame is small and he has high hips that up his center of gravity. I'd be very surprised if he reaches Duncan/KG/peak AD level impact.

Bosh with elite defense to my eye. Which is a hell of a player if you ask me.

Post #404 » by **DG88** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:13 pm

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vulture · Post #405 » by **vulture** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:29 pm

Zach Lowe Comes through as well!
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/33726598/joel-embiid-nikola-jokic-giannis-antetokounmpo-mvp-best-rookie-zach-lowe-makes-2021-awards-selections

Mobley was the more dominant defender, but Barnes the more versatile. Only four players defended more isolations than Barnes, per Second Spectrum. He didn't defang those guys at Mobley's level, but he held up well considering how much time he spent guarding elite wings. He defended nearly as many post-ups as Mobley, and switched from screener to ball handler on about the same number of pick-and-rolls, per Second Spectrum. Barnes guarded the ball handler on those plays about four times as often as Mobley.

Raptors coach Nick Nurse threw Barnes on everyone. He often started on centers, but toggled assignments constantly -- often multiple times within possessions. He's dangerous as a roving helper, though sometimes too adventurous.

Barnes is a bit more comfortable than Mobley with the ball on offense, though the gap isn't as wide as you might think; Mobley is a cagey scorer on post-ups and isolations.

In a race this tight, Barnes' huge advantage in minutes -- about 300 -- looms as a tiebreaker, especially given how many were productive late-season minutes in high-leverage games. Over the final two months, the ultra-thin Raptors went 8-4 without Fred VanVleet -- remarkable considering VanVleet is Toronto's only consistent rotation point guard. The Raptors needed Barnes to be a chameleon -- to fill different holes in different sections of each game. He delivered, and (barely) gets the nod here.

WuTang_CMB · Post #406 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:43 pm

https://www.sportsnet.ca/videos/leagues/nba-video/

KOC on sportsnet

ATLTimekeeper · Post #407 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:24 pm

Barnes was asked to evolve his game. Mobley and Cunningham were just asked to do what they did in college.

Madhouse · Post #408 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:39 pm

AbC? wrote:IDK why Mobley doesn't get compared to Bosh more often. That's who I see more than anything when I watch him. That's still a perennial all-star but not a #1 and probably not an elite #2 either, still a HOF caliber player. The best players in the league couple elite skill with overwhelming physical tools. That's what makes Jokic/Embiid/Giannis/AD/Lebron/Kawhi so good. Mobley is tall and has elite mobility but his frame is small and he has high hips that up his center of gravity. I'd be very surprised if he reaches Duncan/KG/peak AD level impact.

Mobley definitely looks legit.

He is a better passer and defender than rookie Bosh.

He can't really create his own offense.

I think I like him over Bosh but not over Duncan/KG.

LoveMyRaps · Post #409 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:18 pm

UPDATE: 12:54AM

Scottie Barnes:
1. Dan Devine
2. Stephen A Smith
3. Kendrick Perkins
4. Jared Greenberg
5. Doug Smith
6. Zach Harper
7. Mike Greenberg
8. Bill Simmons
9. Kevin O'Connor
10. Chris Kirschner
11. Howard Beck
12. Chris Herring
13. Doris Burke
14. Zach Lowe
15. Frank Isola

Evan Mobley:
1. Lisa Hsu (Not confirmed voter, but has voting history)
2. Bill Reiter (Not confirmed voter, but has voting history)
3. Kurt Helin
4. Eric Nehm
5. KC Johnson
6. Chris Mannix
7. Jalen Rose
8. Renjun Bao
9. Justin Termine
10. Steve Aschburner

Cade Cunningham:
1. Ryan Russillo
2. Michael Pina
3. James Edwards III

TOTAL VOTES: 27 out of 100

04/13 Update: Added 4 more votes (as of 11:17am). 2 for Barnes. 1 for Mobley. 1 for Cade.
Worth noting, Barnes received his first 3rd place vote (by Pistons reporter James Edwards III who picked Cade as his ROTY)

Update: Another vote for Mobley, who finished first on the final ROTY ladder.

LoveMyRaps · Post #410 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:57 pm

Imagine Michael Grange voted for Mobley... lol

shefcurry · Post #411 » by **shefcurry** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:34 pm

How many votes are there remaining?

douggood · Post #412 » by **douggood** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:39 pm

shefcurry wrote:How many votes are there remaining?

TOTAL VOTES: 26 out of 100 are known as compiled by lovemyraps

OakleyDokely · Post #413 » by **OakleyDokely** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:40 pm

Based on the early returns, it looks like Barnes will win pretty comfortably.

Bruin · Post #414 » by **Bruin** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:49 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:UPDATE: 11:17AM

Scottie Barnes:
1. Dan Devine
2. Stephen A Smith
3. Kendrick Perkins
4. Jared Greenberg
5. Doug Smith
6. Zach Harper
7. Mike Greenberg
8. Bill Simmons
9. Kevin O'Connor
10. Chris Kirschner
11. Howard Beck
12. Chris Herring
13. Doris Burke
14. Zach Lowe
15. Frank Isola

Evan Mobley:
1. Lisa Hsu (Not confirmed voter, but has voting history)
2. Bill Reiter (Not confirmed voter, but has voting history)
3. Kurt Helin
4. Eric Nehm
5. KC Johnson
6. Chris Mannix
7. Jalen Rose
8. Renjun Bao
9. Justin Termine

Cade Cunningham:
1. Ryan Russillo
2. Michael Pina
3. James Edwards III

TOTAL VOTES: 26 out of 100

04/13 Update: Added 4 more votes (as of 11:17am). 2 for Barnes. 1 for Mobley. 1 for Cade.
Worth noting, Barnes received his first 3rd place vote (by Pistons reporter James Edwards III who picked Cade as his ROTY)

Where did you see Isola’s vote?

LoveMyRaps · Post #415 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:51 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:UPDATE: 11:17AM

Scottie Barnes:
1. Dan Devine
2. Stephen A Smith
3. Kendrick Perkins
4. Jared Greenberg
5. Doug Smith
6. Zach Harper
7. Mike Greenberg
8. Bill Simmons
9. Kevin O'Connor
10. Chris Kirschner
11. Howard Beck
12. Chris Herring
13. Doris Burke
14. Zach Lowe
15. Frank Isola

Evan Mobley:
1. Lisa Hsu (Not confirmed voter, but has voting history)
2. Bill Reiter (Not confirmed voter, but has voting history)
3. Kurt Helin
4. Eric Nehm
5. KC Johnson
6. Chris Mannix
7. Jalen Rose
8. Renjun Bao
9. Justin Termine

Cade Cunningham:
1. Ryan Russillo
2. Michael Pina
3. James Edwards III

TOTAL VOTES: 26 out of 100

04/13 Update: Added 4 more votes (as of 11:17am). 2 for Barnes. 1 for Mobley. 1 for Cade.
Worth noting, Barnes received his first 3rd place vote (by Pistons reporter James Edwards III who picked Cade as his ROTY)

Where did you see Isola’s vote?

Sirus Radio:
https://player.siriusxm.com/on-demand-episodes/9385/a50e40db-1a1d-44fe-a2fb-93bbb7175339/audio/page-name%3Dedp_episodes&showGuid%3Da50e40db-1a1d-44fe-a2fb-93bbb7175339

LoveMyRaps · Post #416 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:56 pm

douggood wrote:
shefcurry wrote:How many votes are there remaining?

TOTAL VOTES: 26 out of 100 are known as compiled by lovemyraps

Make that 27.

Just In:

FINAL ROTY LADDER: https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-april-13-2022-final-edition

Mobley finishes 1st and earns ROTY honors from Steve Aschburner.

Good news is that Barnes moved up to 2nd, so at least got a 2nd place vote.

LoveMyRaps · Post #417 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:57 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Based on the early returns, it looks like Barnes will win pretty comfortably.

I don't know man. Mobley is catching up pretty fast lol.
It's a two man race at this point. Cade is well behind.

Mehar · Post #418 » by **Mehar** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:59 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Based on the early returns, it looks like Barnes will win pretty comfortably.

As he should. Barnes did everything on the court for the Raptors this year. Guarded 5 positions on the court. Matched up against Centres like Jokic and held his own. Exceptional 2 way play on both ends of the court. Thank the Basketball Gods we went from picking 7 to 4 last year in the draft. No disrespect to Cade, but he is not even in the conversation for me. Defensively, he is nowhere near the player Barnes is, and he got his numbers since he was the Number One option playing on a lottery team. If you put Cade on the Raptors and Barnes on the Pistons, I think Barnes might have averaged more than 20 PPG and had better numbers in several categories than Cade. Comes down to Mobley and Barnes, and regardless if he does not win the award- Barnes is the True ROTY.

OakleyDokely · Post #419 » by **OakleyDokely** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:02 pm

Barnes should win the ROY just for uttering the words "The elderly people were really going hard"

goinrogue · Post #420 » by **goinrogue** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:03 pm

Cavs went from 4th in defensive efficiency with Allen to 22nd without him. That says Mobley’s impact has been overrated and should disqualify him from ROY imo.