Around the NBA V: Live and Let Die

watch1958 · Post #341 » by **watch1958** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:21 am

cdubbz wrote:Great game from the Wolves. DLo, Beverly and Edwards were amazing. KAT was shut down and complained all game - felt the energy was low with him in the game.

Would have loved a Warriors vs Wolves series if we kept the 2 seed

Wolves played Memphis really tough this season.

You may get your wish if we handle Denver.

ILOVEIT · Post #342 » by **ILOVEIT** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:53 pm

watch1958 wrote:
cdubbz wrote:Great game from the Wolves. DLo, Beverly and Edwards were amazing. KAT was shut down and complained all game - felt the energy was low with him in the game.

Would have loved a Warriors vs Wolves series if we kept the 2 seed
Wolves played Memphis really tough this season.

You may get your wish if we handle Denver.

KAT will go off in this series. He absolutely choked in the play in he'll get a second chance now.
ANT is a monster....wow.

I'm not sure if I prefer Wolves or Memphis....

cdubbz · Post #343 » by **cdubbz** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:21 pm

I wouldn't mind if GPII picked up some of his fathers trash talking onto the court. He would be a bigger, more level headed Patrick Beverly.

He already is an energy boost off the bench, gets the crowd going and teammates, but man does it create a show lol

Post #344 » by **floppymoose** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:22 pm

cdubbz wrote:
floppymoose wrote:Thats why i trade him now. He has value now. It will only go down from here.

I haven't gone through who he can be traded for, but yeah being their GM at this current point would be fun since they have so many options.

I don't know either. Maybe there isn't a trade. But my goal would be to capture value now if I could.

Post #345 » by **FNQ** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:32 pm

KAT should have immense value, especially after seeing what Sabonis got. And he's better than Sabonis

I cant even recall the last time a team won with a prominent starting C who was a bad defender.. I guess you could count the Raptors with Jonas? But its a super rare thing, and even elite offensive players like KAT have to work like hell to undo the damage they do defensively

But there will always be a few Kings-like teams who play fantasy hoops instead of real hoops and make bad trades for said bigs.. any Warriors fan here before the Bogut years should never be pushing for a bad defensive C either

ILOVEIT · Post #346 » by **ILOVEIT** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:21 am

Watching Lamelo just confirmed every reason why Warriors didn't consider him and I'm glad they didn't. Guys there for the show with no interest in playing defense set your franchise back a decade. They won't ever move him....and he most likely will lead to year after year of fun regular seasons with very little post season success. And yes I know this his first playoffs but the he stunk defensively so he is what he is.....Reminds me a bit of the guy we had for a year or two...Gilbert Arenas.

whatisacenter · Post #347 » by **whatisacenter** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:55 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Watching Lamelo just confirmed every reason why Warriors didn't consider him and I'm glad they didn't. Guys there for the show with no interest in playing defense set your franchise back a decade. They won't ever move him....and he most likely will lead to year after year of fun regular seasons with very little post season success. And yes I know this his first playoffs but the he stunk defensively so he is what he is.....Reminds me a bit of the guy we had for a year or two...Gilbert Arenas.

this was his second play-in game and he stunk in both of them. he has a lot of flash and shoots the 3 better than I thought he would but his defense sucks. On-ball D is poor and off-ball is awful. But hey, his stans can watch the video of him smoking a blunt before today's elimination game during the offseason because he is just "too cool". 8-)

Watch on YouTube

Old_Blue · Post #348 » by **Old_Blue** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:00 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Watching Lamelo just confirmed every reason why Warriors didn't consider him and I'm glad they didn't. Guys there for the show with no interest in playing defense set your franchise back a decade. They won't ever move him....and he most likely will lead to year after year of fun regular seasons with very little post season success. And yes I know this his first playoffs but the he stunk defensively so he is what he is.....Reminds me a bit of the guy we had for a year or two...Gilbert Arenas.

And yet the Warriors would still be better off had they drafted LaMelo over Wiseman...If for no other reason than because LaMelo has trade value whereas Wiseman has no trade value whatsoever. :banghead:

Mob Byers · Post #349 » by **Mob Byers** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:40 am

Old_Blue wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Watching Lamelo just confirmed every reason why Warriors didn't consider him and I'm glad they didn't. Guys there for the show with no interest in playing defense set your franchise back a decade. They won't ever move him....and he most likely will lead to year after year of fun regular seasons with very little post season success. And yes I know this his first playoffs but the he stunk defensively so he is what he is.....Reminds me a bit of the guy we had for a year or two...Gilbert Arenas.

And yet the Warriors would still be better off had they drafted LaMelo over Wiseman...If for no other reason than because LaMelo has trade value whereas Wiseman has no trade value whatsoever.

Whose to say if we could've landed Kuminga and Moody if that happened? Can't be so regretful. Dubs are in a great place.

Post #350 » by **floppymoose** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:27 am

Well, we would have landed Kuminga.

wco81 · Post #351 » by **wco81** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:41 am

Old_Blue wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Watching Lamelo just confirmed every reason why Warriors didn't consider him and I'm glad they didn't. Guys there for the show with no interest in playing defense set your franchise back a decade. They won't ever move him....and he most likely will lead to year after year of fun regular seasons with very little post season success. And yes I know this his first playoffs but the he stunk defensively so he is what he is.....Reminds me a bit of the guy we had for a year or two...Gilbert Arenas.

And yet the Warriors would still be better off had they drafted LaMelo over Wiseman...If for no other reason than because LaMelo has trade value whereas Wiseman has no trade value whatsoever.

LaMelo is getting a lot of minutes now. I think he started about half way into his rookie season?

He's a better shooter than expected.

However, all those minutes could have meant not as many minutes for Poole.

Would they still have signed Oubre last season? No there was no reason to believe as a rookie LaMelo would get a lot of minutes. And the team did try to get into the playoffs, when it shortened the rotations at the end of the season and made a push.

Now assuming Ball would have got a lot of minutes on the Warriors last year like he did in Charlotte. Maybe the Warriors don't have a roster spot for someone like GP2 over the summer.

Not saying he couldn't have helped the team. But let's see what happens to the Hornets by the time he signs an extension there. Could be near max but that team may be no better than a play in team for the next couple of years, maybe throughout his extension, so the first 8-9 seasons of his career.

There were rumors that MJ would trade for Westbrook, just so he can dump Rozier and Hayward's contracts early.

Let's see what he does with Mile Bridges extension too. MJ is richer than god but apparently wants no part of the luxury tax, which may be a valid response given that the Hornets even with Bridges on an expensive contract aren't going to be competitive any time soon.

Bridges started to way hot but I'd hate to give up big money to him. He's not a primary scorer type, though he put up big numbers in the first half of the season.

Coxy · Post #352 » by **Coxy** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:36 am

The Sixers could go all the way to the finals clobbering teams along the way. That starting unit of Harden/Maxey/Green/Harris/Embiid is white hot.

GSWFan1994 · Post #353 » by **GSWFan1994** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:27 pm

Maxey is just amazing. He will be an All-Star soon.

What always surprises me is his extremely low number of TOs for a player that handles the ball that much.

He averaged 1.2 for the season, and had zero yesterday.

ILOVEIT · Post #354 » by **ILOVEIT** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:29 pm

wco81 wrote:
Old_Blue wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Watching Lamelo just confirmed every reason why Warriors didn't consider him and I'm glad they didn't. Guys there for the show with no interest in playing defense set your franchise back a decade. They won't ever move him....and he most likely will lead to year after year of fun regular seasons with very little post season success. And yes I know this his first playoffs but the he stunk defensively so he is what he is.....Reminds me a bit of the guy we had for a year or two...Gilbert Arenas.

And yet the Warriors would still be better off had they drafted LaMelo over Wiseman...If for no other reason than because LaMelo has trade value whereas Wiseman has no trade value whatsoever.

LaMelo is getting a lot of minutes now. I think he started about half way into his rookie season?

He's a better shooter than expected.

However, all those minutes could have meant not as many minutes for Poole.

Would they still have signed Oubre last season? No there was no reason to believe as a rookie LaMelo would get a lot of minutes. And the team did try to get into the playoffs, when it shortened the rotations at the end of the season and made a push.

Now assuming Ball would have got a lot of minutes on the Warriors last year like he did in Charlotte. Maybe the Warriors don't have a roster spot for someone like GP2 over the summer.

Not saying he couldn't have helped the team. But let's see what happens to the Hornets by the time he signs an extension there. Could be near max but that team may be no better than a play in team for the next couple of years, maybe throughout his extension, so the first 8-9 seasons of his career.

There were rumors that MJ would trade for Westbrook, just so he can dump Rozier and Hayward's contracts early.

Let's see what he does with Mile Bridges extension too. MJ is richer than god but apparently wants no part of the luxury tax, which may be a valid response given that the Hornets even with Bridges on an expensive contract aren't going to be competitive any time soon.

Bridges started to way hot but I'd hate to give up big money to him. He's not a primary scorer type, though he put up big numbers in the first half of the season.

THis is spot on.

Folks don't take into consideration the true impact of having a player take a roster spot.

Lamelo WOULD have (Please Use More Appropriate Word) Poole's growth (or at least negatively impacted it). Lamelo's addition would have been a negative in chemistry and defensive attitude. Draymond would have hated playing with him.

Lamelo is a fun player but not having him is addition by subtraction.

ILOVEIT · Post #355 » by **ILOVEIT** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:31 pm

Wolves vs Memphis...Memphis is trouble. Not just because they lost game one but that couldn't even play Steven Adams down the stretch. Ant is a monster and he's growing in confidence with every game.

Post #356 » by **FNQ** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:57 pm

Couldnt play Adams down the stretch? Why is that?

Old_Blue · Post #357 » by **Old_Blue** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:27 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Lamelo WOULD have (Please Use More Appropriate Word) Poole's growth (or at least negatively impacted it). Lamelo's addition would have been a negative in chemistry and defensive attitude. Draymond would have hated playing with him.

Lamelo is a fun player but not having him is addition by subtraction.

Horse pucky. Now the argument is that Wiseman should have been selected over LaMelo in order not to stunt Poole's development? Two years ago, it was reasonable to question whether Poole would even make it in the NBA. Seriously, it's amazing the degree to which some people will go to promote the Wiseman Agenda.

Mob Byers · Post #358 » by **Mob Byers** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:27 pm

LaMelo wouldn't even be getting playoff minutes right now so not sure why it matters. He would be having the same impact as Wiseman right now. Haliburton and Edwards are the only 2 players from that draft that would be in our playoff rotation right now. I get the anti-Wiseman agenda. Very easy for miserable people to complain about crap that can't be changed instead of look forward based on reality.

Ilovethebay · Post #359 » by **Ilovethebay** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:56 pm

Old_Blue wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Lamelo WOULD have (Please Use More Appropriate Word) Poole's growth (or at least negatively impacted it). Lamelo's addition would have been a negative in chemistry and defensive attitude. Draymond would have hated playing with him.

Lamelo is a fun player but not having him is addition by subtraction.

Horse pucky. Now the argument is that Wiseman should have been selected over LaMelo in order not to stunt Poole's development? Two years ago, it was reasonable to question whether Poole would even make it in the NBA. Seriously, it's amazing the degree to which some people will go to promote the Wiseman Agenda.

While I’m still hopeful Wiseman will turn out to be a great player, this take is spot on. As of now, Lamelo> Wiseman. To argue any different is just plain nonsense.

Coxy · Post #360 » by **Coxy** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:30 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Maxey is just amazing. He will be an All-Star soon.

What always surprises me is his extremely low number of TOs for a player that handles the ball that much.

He averaged 1.2 for the season, and had zero yesterday.

He's the perfect energiser guy next to Harden's slower paced game in the back court.