Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

Ell Curry · Post #461 » by **Ell Curry** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:35 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Man, if Mobley's defensive numbers / advanced stats didn't tank once Allen went down, he probably would've won in a landslide. The Allen injury opened the eyes of some of the voters who overrated Mobley's impact and underrated Allen's.

I'm guilty of this. The Cavs were 31-20 and had 3.5 good players (Love in 23 minutes a game) and Garland is pretty terrible on D. Just seemed miraculous that they were doing that so I had Mobley first. I'm not so sure now.

Ell Curry · Post #462 » by **Ell Curry** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:36 pm

720 wrote:Damn, it’s a tie at 1st? Coming down to the wire. 2nd place votes might become the determining factor.

That's possible, but it seems dumb since there's such a solid gap for this season between the top 2 and the Jones/Cade/Wagner group.

AbC? · Post #463 » by **AbC?** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:49 pm

The casual voters are going to go Mobley - the 2 votes given by Tencent media went Mobley, China had blacklisted the NBA for 18 months and a voter from Italy and then a bunch of nobodies with credentials. Smarter guys are going Barnes. Sadly I think it's going to tilt more towards Mobley with the votes we won't see before the winner is announced.

Bruin · Post #464 » by **Bruin** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:06 pm

If Mobley wins it he should just hand the award to Allen cause without him Mobley hasn’t been great defensively.

He has a defensive rating of 113.1 without Allen. Compare that to Scottie having a defensive rating of 110.8 without OG (111.2 on the entire season)

720 · Post #465 » by **720** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:21 pm

Ell Curry wrote:
720 wrote:Damn, it’s a tie at 1st? Coming down to the wire. 2nd place votes might become the determining factor.

That's possible, but it seems dumb since there's such a solid gap for this season between the top 2 and the Jones/Cade/Wagner group.

We've already seen a couple third place votes for Mobley and Barnes (which is crazy). It could be like the season Magic won mvp over Barkley even though Barkley had more first place votes. :lol:

WuTang_CMB · Post #466 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:19 pm

Common Scottie

Madhouse · Post #467 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:19 pm

PrinceAli wrote:If Mobley wins it he should just hand the award to Allen cause without him Mobley hasn’t been great defensively.

He has a defensive rating of 113.1 without Allen. Compare that to Scottie having a defensive rating of 110.8 without OG (111.2 on the entire season)

you need to compare with Precious on/off. Those are similar splits as Mobley with and without Allen.

Bruin · Post #468 » by **Bruin** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:46 pm

Madhouse wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:If Mobley wins it he should just hand the award to Allen cause without him Mobley hasn’t been great defensively.

He has a defensive rating of 113.1 without Allen. Compare that to Scottie having a defensive rating of 110.8 without OG (111.2 on the entire season)

you need to compare with Precious on/off. Those are similar splits as Mobley with and without Allen.

Point is that Mobley’s defensive impact is overrated and a lot of the media voting for him are basing it on his defense

Madhouse · Post #469 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:52 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:If Mobley wins it he should just hand the award to Allen cause without him Mobley hasn’t been great defensively.

He has a defensive rating of 113.1 without Allen. Compare that to Scottie having a defensive rating of 110.8 without OG (111.2 on the entire season)

you need to compare with Precious on/off. Those are similar splits as Mobley with and without Allen.

Point is that Mobley’s defensive impact is overrated and a lot of the media voting for him are basing it on his defense

He should split the ROY trophy with Allen.

tanuki1031 · Post #470 » by **tanuki1031** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:05 am

Magic comparisons continue as Barnes does not win ROTY, however, takes home Finals MVP honors to go with the Larry OB in his rookie season.

Got my FMVP bet at 250:1 8-)

Post #471 » by **Reeko** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:18 am

Your 2022 Rookie of the Year: Jarrett Allen

Post #472 » by **Reeko** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:19 am

tanuki1031 wrote:Magic comparisons continue as Barnes does not win ROTY, however, takes home Finals MVP honors to go with the Larry OB in his rookie season.

Got my FMVP bet at 250:1

I mean Bird was just straight up better than Magic until the late '80s.

Post #473 » by **7 Footer** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:56 am

James Edward III

First place vote: Cade
Second place vote: Mobley
Third place vote: Barnes
Outlet: The athletic Detroit
Media Market: Detroit Pistons

Definitely no clear agenda here :noway:

Post #474 » by **DG88** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:05 am

Watch on YouTube

Madvillainy2004 · Post #475 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:13 am

7 Footer wrote:James Edward III

First place vote: Cade
Second place vote: Mobley
Third place vote: Barnes
Outlet: The athletic Detroit
Media Market: Detroit Pistons

Definitely no clear agenda here

I seriously need someone to show me some stats for why Cade would be over Scottie. Worst on D, worst efficiency, not a great shooter. Like what's the argument besides "he got the dog in him" lmao

Madvillainy2004 · Post #476 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:14 am

Reeko wrote:Your 2022 Rookie of the Year: Jarrett Allen

Cavs got the narratives on lock this year. Garland and Allen got all stars for their turnaround. But also Mobley is single handedly responsible for their turn around too lmao

Lots of the Allen over Siakam was "he's such a great defender" but also Mobley is better and second coming on KG so he gets RoY over Scottie.

Los Manos · Post #477 » by **Los Manos** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:36 am

Super close race for ROTY. I have a feeling that with the majority of old media vote still to come, Mobley will get enough first place votes to win. The upside though is that there has been a clear shift in the NBA podcast community towards Barnes in the last few weeks. I get the sense that they are finally leaning into the very real possibility of Scottie becoming a superstar and don't want to miss the opportunity to be able to say they saw it from year 1.

720 · Post #478 » by **720** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:23 am

Mobley just went ahead of Barnes in 1st place votes according to that google doc spreadsheet, only one point behind Barnes now.

Syd-TK3 · Post #479 » by **Syd-TK3** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:56 am

douggood wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Whoever has the most 1st place votes automatically wins right? Or is it a total points thing?

points thing
1st place 5 pts
2nd place 3 pts
3rd place 1 pt

Oh okay so I'd say scottie most likely should win I don't see much people dropping him below 2

Edit nvm just seen some votes for him at 3 :banghead:

LoveMyRaps · Post #480 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:02 am

Update: 11:00pm EST

Scottie Barnes:
1. Dan Devine
2. Stephen A Smith
3. Kendrick Perkins
4. Jared Greenberg
5. Doug Smith
6. Zach Harper
7. Mike Greenberg
8. Bill Simmons
9. Kevin O'Connor
10. Chris Kirschner
11. Howard Beck
12. Chris Herring
13. Doris Burke
14. Zach Lowe
15. Frank Isola
16. Eric Koreen

Evan Mobley:
1. Lisa Hsu (Not confirmed voter, but has voting history)
2. Bill Reiter (Not confirmed voter, but has voting history)
3. Kurt Helin
4. Eric Nehm
5. KC Johnson
6. Chris Mannix
7. Jalen Rose
8. Renjun Bao
9. Justin Termine
10. Steve Aschburner
11. Davide Chinellato
12. David Aldridge
13. Joe Vardon
14. Sam Amick
15. Josh Robbins
16. Anthony Chiang

Cade Cunningham:
1. Ryan Russillo
2. Michael Pina
3. James Edwards III

TOTAL VOTES: 35 out of 100

Mobley has taken the lead. :/