2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.3)

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Who will win MVP?

Demar DeRozan
5
1%
Devin Booker
19
5%
Giannis Antetokounpo
120
30%
Ja Morant
3
1%
Jayson Tatum
18
4%
Joel Embiid
38
9%
Kevin Durant
2
0%
Luka Doncic
22
5%
Nikola Jokic
176
43%
Steph Curry
3
1%
 
Total votes: 406

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Post#2681 » by AleksandarN » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:17 am

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eathb_au wrote:I still cannot work out what the argument for Embiid's fans over Jokic is.

Like throw stats aside to simplify it, is it because the belief is his scoring is more valuable than Jokic's entire offensive skillset? Is it that Embiid can do what Jokic does but doesn't because of the systems/team they play in? Is it purely team record? Is it that Jokic's stats are empty?

What is it?





Sixers were without a player who provides them defense, scoring, and passing. But the biggest issue was they dealt with the Ben Simmons drama. With a player who was actively trying to sabotage the team, and refused to play. That is very different than 2 good players getting hurt, and being unable to play. It is very different, and in the face of massive adversity, Embiid improved on his previous season, and was a deadly player throughout the season and in the clutch.


Yet Jokic did more with less then embiid. Jokic lead pretty all of basic stats across the board on his team. He was the most valuable to his team. He does everything because he has to do everything. He has to be the pg and Center at the same time. Has to be the playmaker, has to be the rebounder, has to be the scorer. Has to be last man in defense. This is why he is leading the mvp race. It not like Philly or the Bucks pulled a head of denver by a large margin.
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Post#2682 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 am

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eyeatoma wrote:
eathb_au wrote:I still cannot work out what the argument for Embiid's fans over Jokic is.

Like throw stats aside to simplify it, is it because the belief is his scoring is more valuable than Jokic's entire offensive skillset? Is it that Embiid can do what Jokic does but doesn't because of the systems/team they play in? Is it purely team record? Is it that Jokic's stats are empty?

What is it?





Sixers were without a player who provides them defense, scoring, and passing. But the biggest issue was they dealt with the Ben Simmons drama. With a player who was actively trying to sabotage the team, and refused to play. That is very different than 2 good players getting hurt, and being unable to play. It is very different, and in the face of massive adversity, Embiid improved on his previous season, and was a deadly player throughout the season and in the clutch.


Yet Jokic did more with less then embiid. Jokic lead pretty all of basic stats across the board on his team. He was the most valuable to his team. He does everything because he has to do everything. He has to be the pg and Center at the same time. Has to be the playmaker, has to be the rebounder, has to be the scorer. Has to be last man in defense. This is why he is leading the mvp race. It not like Philly or the Bucks pulled a head of denver by a large margin.


Embiid dealt with a lot more **** dude, that's the point.
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Post#2683 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:47 am

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Post#2684 » by Wolfgang630 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:48 am

LOl wtf now we’re going down conspiracies over this. Come on now let’s not go down these rabbit holes
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Post#2685 » by AleksandarN » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:03 am

eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:



Sixers were without a player who provides them defense, scoring, and passing. But the biggest issue was they dealt with the Ben Simmons drama. With a player who was actively trying to sabotage the team, and refused to play. That is very different than 2 good players getting hurt, and being unable to play. It is very different, and in the face of massive adversity, Embiid improved on his previous season, and was a deadly player throughout the season and in the clutch.


Yet Jokic did more with less then embiid. Jokic lead pretty all of basic stats across the board on his team. He was the most valuable to his team. He does everything because he has to do everything. He has to be the pg and Center at the same time. Has to be the playmaker, has to be the rebounder, has to be the scorer. Has to be last man in defense. This is why he is leading the mvp race. It not like Philly or the Bucks pulled a head of denver by a large margin.


Embiid dealt with a lot more **** dude, that's the point.


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Post#2686 » by canada_dry » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:12 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:Maybe the MVP voting should only go to prior NBA players. Jalen Rose has a vote. Greg Anthony has a vote. Let Magic Johnson, Dr. J and 96 other prior NBA players vote for MVP.
Players used to vote. It sucked.

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Post#2687 » by Sgt Major » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:42 am

Embiid also started a lof of that **** himself last year when he threw his teammate under the bus.

When Denver's crowd booed Barton a few years ago (and rightfully so, I'd say), Jokic did this:

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Post#2688 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:46 am

Sgt Major wrote:Embiid also started a lof of that **** himself last year when he threw his teammate under the bus.

When Denver's crowd booed Barton a few years ago (and rightfully so, I'd say), Jokic did this:

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That's what true leaders do.
Lol he answered a question factually. He recounted events, he did nothing wrong.

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Post#2689 » by AleksandarN » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:52 am

Half of the votes in and jokic has 35 first place votes. It is going to be close.
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Post#2690 » by BoatsNZones » Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:00 am

eyeatoma wrote:
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As stupid as people would have to be to believe this if it were real, it’s completely made up. Just thought you should know.
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Post#2691 » by Sgt Major » Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:19 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:Embiid also started a lof of that **** himself last year when he threw his teammate under the bus.

When Denver's crowd booed Barton a few years ago (and rightfully so, I'd say), Jokic did this:

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That's what true leaders do.
Lol he answered a question factually. He recounted events, he did nothing wrong.

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He said that he didn't like the fans booing Barton, even though he surely didn't like his game, unlike Embiid who blamed his teammate for a tough loss.
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Post#2692 » by Genjuro » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:01 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:Maybe the MVP voting should only go to prior NBA players. Jalen Rose has a vote. Greg Anthony has a vote. Let Magic Johnson, Dr. J and 96 other prior NBA players vote for MVP.


I actually think that would be great. The media has too many agendas.


Well, watch out because Jokic could still win that way. I think it's better to keep switching the system until the player I like wins, while I cry through the process.
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Post#2693 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:02 am

Genjuro wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:Maybe the MVP voting should only go to prior NBA players. Jalen Rose has a vote. Greg Anthony has a vote. Let Magic Johnson, Dr. J and 96 other prior NBA players vote for MVP.


I actually think that would be great. The media has too many agendas.


Well, watch out because Jokic could still win that way. I think it's better to keep switching the system until the player I like wins, while I cry through the process.
Yeah that's clearly what I said.

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Post#2694 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:08 am

Sgt Major wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:Embiid also started a lof of that **** himself last year when he threw his teammate under the bus.

When Denver's crowd booed Barton a few years ago (and rightfully so, I'd say), Jokic did this:

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That's what true leaders do.
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He said that he didn't like the fans booing Barton, even though he surely didn't like his game, unlike Embiid who blamed his teammate for a tough loss.
Embiid didn't blame anyone, but you clearly aren't wanting to know the truth, just trying to further a media narrative.

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Post#2695 » by BloodNinja » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:28 am

Embiid doesn't even have an argument over Giannis let alone Jokic.
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Post#2696 » by Sgt Major » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:39 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Lol he answered a question factually. He recounted events, he did nothing wrong.

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He said that he didn't like the fans booing Barton, even though he surely didn't like his game, unlike Embiid who blamed his teammate for a tough loss.
Embiid didn't blame anyone, but you clearly aren't wanting to know the truth, just trying to further a media narrative.

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What media narrative? Why would the media like a guy who doesn't like them at all and who's got no social media or drama surrounding him?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/06/21/ben-simmons-joel-embiid/

Asked if there was a moment Sunday when his belief in his team turned into resignation that the 76ers were not going to advance, Embiid replied, “I’ll be honest: I thought the turning point was when we had an open shot, and we made one free throw and we missed the other, and they came down and scored.”


Jokić would never say something like this.
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Post#2697 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:50 am

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eyeatoma wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:

He said that he didn't like the fans booing Barton, even though he surely didn't like his game, unlike Embiid who blamed his teammate for a tough loss.
Embiid didn't blame anyone, but you clearly aren't wanting to know the truth, just trying to further a media narrative.

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What media narrative? Why would the media like a guy who doesn't like them at all and who's got no social media or drama surrounding him?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/06/21/ben-simmons-joel-embiid/

Asked if there was a moment Sunday when his belief in his team turned into resignation that the 76ers were not going to advance, Embiid replied, “I’ll be honest: I thought the turning point was when we had an open shot, and we made one free throw and we missed the other, and they came down and scored.”


Jokić would never say something like this.
Great job not quoting the rest of the video where he calls out himself and Thybulle. As I said media narrative, which you are perpetuating.

https://youtu.be/fX8MmRNm_Bs

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Post#2698 » by BelgradeNugget » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:20 am

Interesting thing I noticed. Real basketball analysts - intellectuals are voting for Jokic, like the the ones from The Athletic, The Ringer, smart ones from ESPN (Lowe, Bontemps, Pelton), ect. Entertainers in the basketball media, the ones who talk loud and are funny to watch like Perkins, SAS, Bucher, are voting for Embiid.

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Post#2699 » by Dutchball97 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:30 am

No matter what criteria are used there will never be a way to make everyone happy. You've got to accept that the voters will not always agree with your opinion and that this isn't some grand conspiracy. There are plenty of years where I disagree with the MVP and even more years where multiple people were just as deserving but only one of them could win.
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Post#2700 » by Sgt Major » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:40 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Embiid didn't blame anyone, but you clearly aren't wanting to know the truth, just trying to further a media narrative.

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What media narrative? Why would the media like a guy who doesn't like them at all and who's got no social media or drama surrounding him?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/06/21/ben-simmons-joel-embiid/

Asked if there was a moment Sunday when his belief in his team turned into resignation that the 76ers were not going to advance, Embiid replied, “I’ll be honest: I thought the turning point was when we had an open shot, and we made one free throw and we missed the other, and they came down and scored.”


Jokić would never say something like this.
Great job not quoting the rest of the video where he calls out himself and Thybulle. As I said media narrative, which you are perpetuating.

https://youtu.be/fX8MmRNm_Bs

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Doesn't change a thing. Taking the blame yourself is something that players do all the time, but leaders never talk about their teammates' mistakes the way Joel did. He also pointed out that was the "turning point", meaning Ben's mistake was crucial.
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