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eyeatoma wrote:The Player's MVP
Durant, Halliburton, VanVleet, Shaq, lots of other players...
The real MVP...
What has happened with the media and the pro advanced stats narrative has gone overboard...
BelgradeNugget wrote:Interesting thing I noticed. Real basketball analysts - intellectuals are voting for Jokic, like the the ones from The Athletic, The Ringer, smart ones from ESPN (Lowe, Bontemps, Pelton), ect. Entertainers in the basketball media, the ones who talk loud and are funny to watch like Perkins, SAS, Bucher, are voting for Embiid.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview#gid=643451732
Sgt Major wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Great job not quoting the rest of the video where he calls out himself and Thybulle. As I said media narrative, which you are perpetuating.Sgt Major wrote:
What media narrative? Why would the media like a guy who doesn't like them at all and who's got no social media or drama surrounding him?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/06/21/ben-simmons-joel-embiid/
Asked if there was a moment Sunday when his belief in his team turned into resignation that the 76ers were not going to advance, Embiid replied, “I’ll be honest: I thought the turning point was when we had an open shot, and we made one free throw and we missed the other, and they came down and scored.”
Jokić would never say something like this.
https://youtu.be/fX8MmRNm_Bs
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Doesn't change a thing. Taking the blame yourself is something that players do all the time, but leaders never talk about their teammates' mistakes the way Joel did. He also pointed out that was the "turning point", meaning Ben's mistake was crucial.
zimpy27 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:The Player's MVP
Durant, Halliburton, VanVleet, Shaq, lots of other players...
The real MVP...
What has happened with the media and the pro advanced stats narrative has gone overboard...
LeBron has like 10 player MVPs.
I remember players wanting Harden as MVP over Curry also
Sgt Major wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Great job not quoting the rest of the video where he calls out himself and Thybulle. As I said media narrative, which you are perpetuating.Sgt Major wrote:
What media narrative? Why would the media like a guy who doesn't like them at all and who's got no social media or drama surrounding him?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/06/21/ben-simmons-joel-embiid/
Asked if there was a moment Sunday when his belief in his team turned into resignation that the 76ers were not going to advance, Embiid replied, “I’ll be honest: I thought the turning point was when we had an open shot, and we made one free throw and we missed the other, and they came down and scored.”
Jokić would never say something like this.
https://youtu.be/fX8MmRNm_Bs
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Doesn't change a thing. Taking the blame yourself is something that players do all the time, but leaders never talk about their teammates' mistakes the way Joel did. He also pointed out that was the "turning point", meaning Ben's mistake was crucial.
eyeatoma wrote:zimpy27 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:The Player's MVP
Durant, Halliburton, VanVleet, Shaq, lots of other players...
The real MVP...
What has happened with the media and the pro advanced stats narrative has gone overboard...
LeBron has like 10 player MVPs.
I remember players wanting Harden as MVP over Curry also
I think it's unfair to insinuate that players don't know basketball theory, and are poor at analyzing the game. I'd much rather my peers, or past greats judge me rather than people how have probably never even played high school basketball.
eyeatoma wrote:Sgt Major wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Great job not quoting the rest of the video where he calls out himself and Thybulle. As I said media narrative, which you are perpetuating.
https://youtu.be/fX8MmRNm_Bs
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Doesn't change a thing. Taking the blame yourself is something that players do all the time, but leaders never talk about their teammates' mistakes the way Joel did. He also pointed out that was the "turning point", meaning Ben's mistake was crucial.
LeBron is a 4 time champion, he has most definitely been critical of his teammates. Please point to me the leaders that are not critical of their teammates, and I can show you the ones that are.
One of the greatest leaders of all time, and the GOAT, MJ, was the biggest arseholes there was, he was always critical of his teammates. Same thing with Kobe.
Sgt Major wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Sgt Major wrote:
Doesn't change a thing. Taking the blame yourself is something that players do all the time, but leaders never talk about their teammates' mistakes the way Joel did. He also pointed out that was the "turning point", meaning Ben's mistake was crucial.
LeBron is a 4 time champion, he has most definitely been critical of his teammates. Please point to me the leaders that are not critical of their teammates, and I can show you the ones that are.
One of the greatest leaders of all time, and the GOAT, MJ, was the biggest arseholes there was, he was always critical of his teammates. Same thing with Kobe.
LeBron is constantly being criticized because of that, Kobe and MJ faced similar backlash, even though they weren't doing it as blatantly as LeBron, at least not in public.
However, one thing they all have in common is that they had the results to back their actions, while Embiid's doesn't have that at all and cannot act like a guy who's let down by the guys he's playing with.
zimpy27 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:The Player's MVP
Durant, Halliburton, VanVleet, Shaq, lots of other players...
The real MVP...
What has happened with the media and the pro advanced stats narrative has gone overboard...
LeBron has like 10 player MVPs.
I remember players wanting Harden as MVP over Curry also
Wolfgang630 wrote:I do hope Embiid wins an MVP one year. It’ll be tough competition every year with the amount of great players there are. Even Durant could win another one if he’s not injured.
eyeatoma wrote:zimpy27 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:The Player's MVP
Durant, Halliburton, VanVleet, Shaq, lots of other players...
The real MVP...
What has happened with the media and the pro advanced stats narrative has gone overboard...
LeBron has like 10 player MVPs.
I remember players wanting Harden as MVP over Curry also
It's kind of telling, because many agree that LeBron should have won more MVPs, he had the stats and team performance to back it up.
eyeatoma wrote:Wolfgang630 wrote:I do hope Embiid wins an MVP one year. It’ll be tough competition every year with the amount of great players there are. Even Durant could win another one if he’s not injured.
It's one of the reasons why I'm frustrated. This was one of the best years for him to win it.
Of course not, Windhorst or Wright or Bayless are white as well.eyeatoma wrote:BelgradeNugget wrote:Interesting thing I noticed. Real basketball analysts - intellectuals are voting for Jokic, like the the ones from The Athletic, The Ringer, smart ones from ESPN (Lowe, Bontemps, Pelton), ect. Entertainers in the basketball media, the ones who talk loud and are funny to watch like Perkins, SAS, Bucher, are voting for Embiid.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview#gid=643451732
Lol, at you saying smart ones, you mean white guys? Also are you saying everyone who has voted for Embiid is in turn, "not smart"?
Just 2011, nothing moreeyeatoma wrote:zimpy27 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:The Player's MVP
Durant, Halliburton, VanVleet, Shaq, lots of other players...
The real MVP...
What has happened with the media and the pro advanced stats narrative has gone overboard...
LeBron has like 10 player MVPs.
I remember players wanting Harden as MVP over Curry also
It's kind of telling, because many agree that LeBron should have won more MVPs, he had the stats and team performance to back it up.
More black people voted for Embiid than white. It's the opposite for Jokic.Ryoga Hibiki wrote:Of course not, Windhorst or Wright or Bayless are white as well.eyeatoma wrote:BelgradeNugget wrote:Interesting thing I noticed. Real basketball analysts - intellectuals are voting for Jokic, like the the ones from The Athletic, The Ringer, smart ones from ESPN (Lowe, Bontemps, Pelton), ect. Entertainers in the basketball media, the ones who talk loud and are funny to watch like Perkins, SAS, Bucher, are voting for Embiid.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview#gid=643451732
Lol, at you saying smart ones, you mean white guys? Also are you saying everyone who has voted for Embiid is in turn, "not smart"?
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I answered this question a couple of MVP threads ago lol.Dutchball97 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:zimpy27 wrote:LeBron has like 10 player MVPs.
I remember players wanting Harden as MVP over Curry also
It's kind of telling, because many agree that LeBron should have won more MVPs, he had the stats and team performance to back it up.
When asked the question if LeBron should have more MVPs a lot of people are going to say yes but when you ask specific years it suddenly turns real quiet.
eyeatoma wrote:Sgt Major wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
LeBron is a 4 time champion, he has most definitely been critical of his teammates. Please point to me the leaders that are not critical of their teammates, and I can show you the ones that are.
One of the greatest leaders of all time, and the GOAT, MJ, was the biggest arseholes there was, he was always critical of his teammates. Same thing with Kobe.
LeBron is constantly being criticized because of that, Kobe and MJ faced similar backlash, even though they weren't doing it as blatantly as LeBron, at least not in public.
However, one thing they all have in common is that they had the results to back their actions, while Embiid's doesn't have that at all and cannot act like a guy who's let down by the guys he's playing with.
Why can't he act like he's let down? The reason he doesn't have these results are directly because of Ben Simmons, and managements **** job putting a team and decent coach around him.
It sounds like you just don't like Embiid, and have an excuse for every response I have.