Ben Simmons vs Andrei Kirilenko

durantbird · Post #1 » by **durantbird** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:43 pm

How do they compare defensively?

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #2 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:25 pm

I think the lack of rim protection really limits Ben's defensive value.

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Colbinii · Post #3 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:50 pm

AK47 was a significantly better rim protector and one of the best roamers in NBA History.

It is possible some of his value would be mitigated in a league with 4-out but then you have to also think his switchability and length makes him a unique specimen in the modern era.

Simmons also has a tremendous feel for the game of basketball. He can also read passing lanes well and knows where to be at the right time. He was rightfully in the DPOY race last season and is able to guard 1-5 at a high level.

jasonxxx102 · Post #4 » by **jasonxxx102** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:05 pm

AK was probably the first true "free safety" that I can remember.

AK had a crazy wingspan and I have him more like Draymond than Ben.

AK was an elite rim protector, had a great bbIQ, was switchable 1-5 a truly elite defensive talent that just played in the wrong era to maximize his skills

Post #5 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:14 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I think the lack of rim protection really limits Ben's defensive value.

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I mean every perimeter defender would be better if they could also somehow protect the rim. But Simmons was still able to have major defensive impact without that.

I mean KG wasn't much of a rim defender as a PF/C, but we all recognize he still had major defensive impact. Just because he wasn't Tim Duncan or Ben Wallace, doesn't mean he wasn't still a highly impactful defender.

If the standard is Gobert, then yeah Simmons defensive value is limited. If the standard is Smart or OG or Bridges as seems more accurate, he does just fine.

Jaivl · Post #6 » by **Jaivl** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:35 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I think the lack of rim protection really limits Ben's defensive value.

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I mean every perimeter defender would be better if they could also somehow protect the rim. But Simmons was still able to have major defensive impact without that.

I mean KG wasn't much of a rim defender as a PF/C, but we all recognize he still had major defensive impact. Just because he wasn't Tim Duncan or Ben Wallace, doesn't mean he wasn't still a highly impactful defender.

If the standard is Gobert, then yeah Simmons defensive value is limited. If the standard is Smart or OG or Bridges as seems more accurate, he does just fine.

I mean, the standard is... Kirilenko, which is who he's being compared with. And he was a monster secondary rim protector.

Post #7 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:38 pm

Jaivl wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I think the lack of rim protection really limits Ben's defensive value.

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I mean every perimeter defender would be better if they could also somehow protect the rim. But Simmons was still able to have major defensive impact without that.

I mean KG wasn't much of a rim defender as a PF/C, but we all recognize he still had major defensive impact. Just because he wasn't Tim Duncan or Ben Wallace, doesn't mean he wasn't still a highly impactful defender.

If the standard is Gobert, then yeah Simmons defensive value is limited. If the standard is Smart or OG or Bridges as seems more accurate, he does just fine.

I mean, the standard is... Kirilenko, which is who he's being compared with. And he was a monster secondary rim protector.

I did understand the assignment of the thread.

But I specifically quoted a poster saying that his lack of rim protection really limits his defensive value. And I disagree with that take and thus replied as such.

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #8 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:31 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
Jaivl wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:

I mean every perimeter defender would be better if they could also somehow protect the rim. But Simmons was still able to have major defensive impact without that.

I mean KG wasn't much of a rim defender as a PF/C, but we all recognize he still had major defensive impact. Just because he wasn't Tim Duncan or Ben Wallace, doesn't mean he wasn't still a highly impactful defender.

If the standard is Gobert, then yeah Simmons defensive value is limited. If the standard is Smart or OG or Bridges as seems more accurate, he does just fine.

I mean, the standard is... Kirilenko, which is who he's being compared with. And he was a monster secondary rim protector.

I did understand the assignment of the thread.

But I specifically quoted a poster saying that his lack of rim protection really limits his defensive value. And I disagree with that take and thus replied as such.

It does limit him in this comparison, we're not putting him against Smart or OG.
Overall, I think it limits ben's value a lot as he's not as good as people think as a smallball center playing the Draymond role, because of that.