Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey"

[Madhouse]

Really? How so?

I mean, I don't want to get into all the stats and all that on a sunny Saturday morning before a big game, but I think it's fair to say the majority of NBA fans right now would give Maxey the upper hand if they were asked. I'm talking about as things currently stand today. 3 and 5 years down the line, who knows.

Its the same homers that never fail.. Maxey clearly has broken out this season over precious its not even close.. put em down kindly though with the 3 to 5 years line

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[Psubs]

Oh I don't know about that one, chief...

Yeah I was going to come say the same thing. Precious is intriguing and has an interesting skillset, but ... Maxey is trending higher right now.

IDK man, people act like Maxey is an all-star. He averages 17/4/3 and shoots the 3 on low volume, is not good defensively, is not a playmaker, etc.

He is currently a poor mans FVV with some slashing.

But anyone can see that if Harden leaves like Sexton got hurt, Maxey would likely have a Darius Garland type improvement.

[YogurtProducer]

Maxey is a substantially better asset than Achiuwa and has true star potential unlike him, who’s getting a little bit overrated in this board recently.

Maxey has been completely overrated by half of this board since the narrative that the Raptors passed on him, which was just a rumour passed off as fact.

"substantially" better is such a damn stretch.

Post ASB precious is putting up 18/9 per 36 on 40% from 3 on higher volume than Maxey shoots and is a borderline elite defender rather than a below average one. (Maxey is 17/4/3 per 36 for reference)

NBA casuals might want Maxey, but by early as next year the narrative will switch.

[Madhouse]

Yeah I was going to come say the same thing. Precious is intriguing and has an interesting skillset, but ... Maxey is trending higher right now.

IDK man, people act like Maxey is an all-star. He averages 17/4/3 and shoots the 3 on low volume, is not good defensively, is not a playmaker, etc.

He is currently a poor mans FVV with some slashing.

But anyone can see that if Harden leaves like Sexton got hurt, Maxey would likely have a Darius Garland type improvement.

Harden wasn't there for most of the season.

[YogurtProducer]

Yeah I was going to come say the same thing. Precious is intriguing and has an interesting skillset, but ... Maxey is trending higher right now.

IDK man, people act like Maxey is an all-star. He averages 17/4/3 and shoots the 3 on low volume, is not good defensively, is not a playmaker, etc.

He is currently a poor mans FVV with some slashing.

But anyone can see that if Harden leaves like Sexton got hurt, Maxey would likely have a Darius Garland type improvement.

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Harden has played 21 games in Philly. Has Maxey had expediential improvement in the 21 games Harden has been there or something?

He averaged 17/5/4 in the 51 games BEFORE Harden even rocked a Philly jersey and 19/4/3 after. So not sure how we can make the assumption Harden is holding him back (unless you think Seth Curry was also holding him back or something)

[LoveMyRaps]

I'm more than happy with Precious. I've very high on Maxey as well.

[Bruin]

Maxey is a good player but his ceiling isn’t really as high as a guy like Precious who’s skillset for his size is extremely valuable in todays nba

I’m pretty happy with how it turned out in the end

[Los_29]

Maxey is a substantially better asset than Achiuwa and has true star potential unlike him, who’s getting a little bit overrated in this board recently.

You need to be able to defend and/or distribute if you're an undersized guard. Maxey does neither.

Harden and Embiid dominate the ball and Maxey still gets over 4 assists per game with an A/T over 3.

Harden hasn't been with the team all year. Maxey's assist numbers are mediocre considering he was their point guard for most of the year and played with an MVP candidate in Joel Embiid.

[Hipster Doofus]

IDK man, people act like Maxey is an all-star. He averages 17/4/3 and shoots the 3 on low volume, is not good defensively, is not a playmaker, etc.

He is currently a poor mans FVV with some slashing.

But anyone can see that if Harden leaves like Sexton got hurt, Maxey would likely have a Darius Garland type improvement.

??
Harden has played 21 games in Philly. Has Maxey had expediential improvement in the 21 games Harden has been there or something?

He averaged 17/5/4 in the 51 games BEFORE Harden even rocked a Philly jersey and 19/4/3 after. So not sure how we can make the assumption Harden is holding him back (unless you think Seth Curry was also holding him back or something)

Maxey is playing better since Harden has arrived.

2021-2022 NBA season - Tyrese Maxey stats pre-James Harden trade: 16.9 pts, 1.4 3-pts made, 36% 3-pt, 47% field goals.

2021-2022 NBA season - Tyrese Maxey stats post-James Harden trade: 18.5 pts, 2.4 3-pts made, 44% 3-pt, 50% field goals.

Per basketballreference website game logs exported in Excel.

[YogurtProducer]

But anyone can see that if Harden leaves like Sexton got hurt, Maxey would likely have a Darius Garland type improvement.

??
Harden has played 21 games in Philly. Has Maxey had expediential improvement in the 21 games Harden has been there or something?

He averaged 17/5/4 in the 51 games BEFORE Harden even rocked a Philly jersey and 19/4/3 after. So not sure how we can make the assumption Harden is holding him back (unless you think Seth Curry was also holding him back or something)

Maxey is playing better since Harden has arrived.

2021-2022 NBA season - Tyrese Maxey stats pre-James Harden trade: 16.9 pts, 1.4 3-pts made, 36% 3-pt, 47% field goals.

2021-2022 NBA season - Tyrese Maxey stats post-James Harden trade: 18.5 pts, 2.4 3-pts made, 44% 3-pt, 50% field goals.

Per basketballreference website game logs exported in Excel.

FWIW that’s exactly what I said haha

[Hipster Doofus]

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Harden has played 21 games in Philly. Has Maxey had expediential improvement in the 21 games Harden has been there or something?

He averaged 17/5/4 in the 51 games BEFORE Harden even rocked a Philly jersey and 19/4/3 after. So not sure how we can make the assumption Harden is holding him back (unless you think Seth Curry was also holding him back or something)

Maxey is playing better since Harden has arrived.

2021-2022 NBA season - Tyrese Maxey stats pre-James Harden trade: 16.9 pts, 1.4 3-pts made, 36% 3-pt, 47% field goals.

2021-2022 NBA season - Tyrese Maxey stats post-James Harden trade: 18.5 pts, 2.4 3-pts made, 44% 3-pt, 50% field goals.

Per basketballreference website game logs exported in Excel.

FWIW that’s exactly what I said haha

lol just confirming for others.

[vaff87]

Simply talking in terms of the Raptors, I think they would rather have Precious. He fits their prototype perfectly: length, athleticism, versatility, and most notably, a willingness and ability to defend. Maxey may be a good player, but he doesn’t really fit what this team usually looks for.

[WuTang_CMB]

ya we knew this

[positivetension]

But anyone can see that if Harden leaves like Sexton got hurt, Maxey would likely have a Darius Garland type improvement.

??
Harden has played 21 games in Philly. Has Maxey had expediential improvement in the 21 games Harden has been there or something?

He averaged 17/5/4 in the 51 games BEFORE Harden even rocked a Philly jersey and 19/4/3 after. So not sure how we can make the assumption Harden is holding him back (unless you think Seth Curry was also holding him back or something)

Maxey is playing better since Harden has arrived.

2021-2022 NBA season - Tyrese Maxey stats pre-James Harden trade: 16.9 pts, 1.4 3-pts made, 36% 3-pt, 47% field goals.

2021-2022 NBA season - Tyrese Maxey stats post-James Harden trade: 18.5 pts, 2.4 3-pts made, 44% 3-pt, 50% field goals.

Per basketballreference website game logs exported in Excel.

That improvement is related to the Scottie Barnes hug and has nothing to do with Harden.

[OAKLEY_2]

Oh I don't know about that one, chief...

Really? How so?

I mean, I don't want to get into all the stats and all that on a sunny Saturday morning before a big game, but I think it's fair to say the majority of NBA fans right now would give Maxey the upper hand if they were asked. I'm talking about as things currently stand today. 3 and 5 years down the line, who knows.

Maxey would crowd Fred, Gary and maybe Scottie. Achuiwa is the best post defender next to a healthy Birch so Precious worked out better. End of.

[RapsFanInOhio]

That's exactly who we should've been going for. They should've probably done it to secure a Chip but he's gonna be good for a long time. So I can see why they'd be hesistant.

This.

Philly should have done it (just like LA should have) because last year was wide open. They probably could have gotten Kyle to re-sign, and then still had Simmons to move for Harden to run it back this year.

Maxey is very good, but he will never get you to a championship level. Lowry’s timeline fit Embiid’s better, and that locker room still doesn’t have a leader.

It is what it is now. I would still prefer Maxey over Precious, but it’s closer now than it was last year and I’m a big Thad Young fan so no complaints here.

[everdiso]

Maxey is a substantially better asset than Achiuwa and has true star potential unlike him, who’s getting a little bit overrated in this board recently.

He’s probably being overrated by this board because at the start of the year, he looked like he just picked up a basketball for the first time in his life many nights and now he’s hitting threes at a 40% clip and is one of if not THE best defensive player on this team.

Kinda hard to "overrate" a 22yr old that "might be the best defensive player" on a team full of great defenders who also "hits 3s at a 40% clip".

[everdiso]

Small SG's that put up 17ppg aren't that rare or expensive.

Especially when they can't D at all.

[mdenny]

Precious over Maxey? I think you're overrating Precious a little. Any other team, Precious would be getting less than 20 mins per game. Speaks volumes to the Raptor's coaching staff getting the most out of their players but let's not pretend there isn't a talent disparity between the two.

Precious has more potential than Maxey... seriously?

I watch Maxey and I see shades of Fred/Sexton maybe Lowry when he hits his ceiling.

Precious? I don't know yet. How many guys his size guard the way he does and shoot from outside like he does? He could end up being a high-level role player or he could end up being an all-defense candidate or he may end up neither and just be a poor man's Ibaka.

Its not to say that Maxey can't exceed the Fred ceiling but thats what I see right now. Precious is more of a mystery box at this point.

He's better defensively, I'll give you that but on the offensive end I'd argue he's already better than Fred at this point. I don't think he'll ever be as good as a defender as FVV though, not to mention leadership qualities.

Maxey can really create his own shot. I think he has the potential to be one of the better offensive players in this league and if we are going on value, or returns if they are to be traded, I really don't think Precious will ever hit his level. Precious has potential to become a very good role player, Maxey has potential to be an allstar.

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Point guard averaging 4 assists while playing with embiid is a big question mark. Embiid is an assist machine and maxey can't seem to do it.

[mdenny]

Maxey is a substantially better asset than Achiuwa and has true star potential unlike him, who’s getting a little bit overrated in this board recently.

You need to be able to defend and/or distribute if you're an undersized guard. Maxey does neither.

Harden and Embiid dominate the ball and Maxey still gets over 4 assists per game with an A/T over 3.

Bro...he played most of the season without harden and barely got 4 assists per game with the best scoring center in the league. Thats an indictment, not an accolade.

He can't create for others, can't play defense. He's essentially just a shot creator and thats about it. And he's not even elite at the one skill he excels in. I'm not a believer personally.

That big gane against brooklyn they were hunting him all game long. His defense is not just bad....it's terrible.