Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (2) Boston Celtics vs. (7) Brooklyn Nets

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Post#581 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:01 pm

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Jaqua92 wrote:Tatum is clearly better than Kyrie at this point

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Yeah I don’t know that that is true. And Kyrie is the more efficient scorer. And Im fairly certain he’s going to have a chip on his shoulder about taking it to Boston.


Well I hope you watch and enjoy the series so you'll find out it is in fact true. 8-)


I see the Celtics fans are already overly defensive…and the series hasn’t even started yet :lol:

Love it. Kyrie is still in their heads.
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Post#582 » by bisme37 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:06 pm

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bisme37 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:

Yeah I don’t know that that is true. And Kyrie is the more efficient scorer. And Im fairly certain he’s going to have a chip on his shoulder about taking it to Boston.


Well I hope you watch and enjoy the series so you'll find out it is in fact true. 8-)


I see the Celtics fans are already overly defensive…and the series hasn’t even started yet :lol:

Love it. Kyrie is still in their heads.


I wasn't feeling defensive at all when I wrote that but I know it can be hard to read that kind of thing over the Internet.

I was legitimately thinking that if you watch the series you'll get a better understanding of how good Tatum is and perhaps even become a fan. Which makes me happy, not defensive.
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Post#583 » by life_saver » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:08 pm

According to bookies, who is the fav to win the series?
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Post#584 » by jordb2k7 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:09 pm

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Yeah I don’t know that that is true. And Kyrie is the more efficient scorer. And Im fairly certain he’s going to have a chip on his shoulder about taking it to Boston.



Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t meant it’s not true.


Ditto


Put up a poll. Who would you rather have Kyrie or Tatum?
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Post#585 » by QUIZ » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:10 pm

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Jaylen Brown also fasts apparently. So it might even out.

But will be tough.

Kyrie did drop 42 his last afternoon game though while fasting.

Oh wow I didn’t know that. That’s a super interesting dynamic to follow in this series.

It's easy to get through a fast. 10s of thousands of years people were not eating every day and still had to do physical labour, walk miles, hunt, whatever. The body remembers quickly if you give it a chance, it's in our genes.

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Post#586 » by bisme37 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:12 pm

life_saver wrote:According to bookies, who is the fav to win the series?


Nets opened as slightly faves but by the next morning Celtics were the slight faves. Celts -180 is what I'm seeing right now.
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Post#587 » by life_saver » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:20 pm

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life_saver wrote:According to bookies, who is the fav to win the series?


Nets opened as slightly faves but by the next morning Celtics were the slight faves. Celts -180 is what I'm seeing right now.

oh. I wouldn't call odds of -180 as slight favorites. That would firmly put Celtics as favorites. -180 implies roughly 65% chance of winning.
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Post#588 » by jfs1000d » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:22 pm

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Perseus1966 wrote:Someone must tell Celtics that Rob is a younger Drummond and not Kareem.

Those two are not even close as players. Drummond a big body and a legendary rebounder and an absolutely awful passer and defensive player.

Rob is an elite defender, terrific shot blocker and a rangy defender.


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Drummond is a terrible passer and a terrible defender. Defense isn’t Just blocking shots. Passing isn’t just assists.

Drummond a better rebounder and bigger body then Williams. But Drummond has critical homes in his game that can be exploited. The entire league knows it.


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Post#589 » by bisme37 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:22 pm

life_saver wrote:
bisme37 wrote:
life_saver wrote:According to bookies, who is the fav to win the series?


Nets opened as slightly faves but by the next morning Celtics were the slight faves. Celts -180 is what I'm seeing right now.

oh. I wouldn't call odds of -180 as slight favorites. That would firmly put Celtics as favorites. -180 implies roughly 65% chance of winning.


Yeah sorry my wording was a little weird. I was trying to say the C's were slightly faves the next morning. Now they are more solid betting faves.
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Post#590 » by Naero » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:23 pm

It’s not often 2-7 match-ups have competitive preseries odds, as the Lakers-Suns series did last year. Like the 2021 Lakers, the Nets aren’t your typical seventh seed, yet they ended up berthed as such because of their oft-sidelined starpower.

Between KD’s injuries and Kyrie’s anti-vaccine crusade, the duo has only played 17 games together so far. Not that their 11-6 record—a winning rate equivalent to the first seed out East—in those games is discouraging, but the sample size isn’t nearly enough to slam the door on their opponent as many did last postseason and earlier this season (albeit, justifiably).

The Celtics certainly aren’t an also-ran seventh seed in their own right anymore, as they seemed on-pace to be pre-ASB. They found a mid-season turnaround, partly owing to trading off square pegs for Derrick White and the reacquisition of Theis, and they now look just as favorable as the Nets (as reflected by Vegas), if not more so.

They helped improbably invert the 2-7 seeding in this rematch with improved, healthier versions of their young nucleus. Especially Tatum, who’s indisputably reached superstardom at this point and no longer has an undermanned supporting cast.

The entire team is also synergizing once again, owing in large part to Udoka. A refreshing locker-room voice—which many questionable coaching changeovers are reducible to—has undoubtedly helped the Celtics re-establish themselves as a top-five defense, and arguably the league’s best this season.

The Nets may have the two-best offensive players this series—including arguably the BITW in Kevin Durant—but the Celtics’ own depth may very well outstretch that advantage. From the third-best player and onwards, the Nets are decidedly outmanned.

Moreover, it’s far from guaranteed that the Nets’ stars play out of the pack offensively if the teams’ regular-season disparity on the defensive end is any predictor. Brooklyn will need to improve their mediocre-at-best defense, and a healthy KD—who’s underratedly improved defensively—may move the needle.

It’s not unimaginable that the Nets stars find ample help, but someone will need to step up. It could mean Mills shaking out of his post-ASB slump. Or Seth Curry torching the Celtics from downtown as he did in the regular season. Maybe Claxton, the most athletic bigman in the series (with Williams out), becoming the X-factor.

The Nets’ extra help might not be by dint of Ben Simmons, whether it’s because of his continued absenteeism (which has made many second-guess the Harden trade) or because he might disrupt his team’s chemistry with his sudden integration in the lineup. If he plays this series and up to par, however, his playmaking and defense could help neutralize the Celtics’ backcourt advantages; but that’s too big of an if to bet on.

Nash will need to be careful on how he staggers his rotations: it’s too easy to field an oversmall lineup when digging into his bench, and he might need to marginalize Dragic (who hasn’t found his stroke yet in Brooklyn). The Nets simply need to find their advantage on the froncourt, not their vastly outmatched backcourt.

All in all, the Celtics have more in their wheelhouse in this rematch if they uphold their post-January level of play, but I’m never going to rule out the Nets while Durant and Irving are healthy. It may take a series for the ages by KD, but he engineered one the last time his team needed it against the Bucks (granted, in a losing effort).

Regardless of the outcome, this is shaping up to be the most compelling first-round series this year. For all we know, the ECF might have been preponed to the first round.

Bottom-line prediction: Nets in seven.
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Post#591 » by jfs1000d » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm

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Nets could have been the actual #1 seed, but I would not dismiss what the Celtics did over their 47 game turnaround. This matchup could easily be ECF quality, and we are getting in the first round.


?? Where is this 12.2 point differential coming from? It's 7.3 per game

https://www.espn.com/nba/standings/_/sort/differential/dir/desc

Since Boston got healthy after all the Covid BS early in the season. Boston had guys missing games left and right, which contributed. to just awful start.

Since Jan. 1, they are playing at 1996 bulls level. They were three games under .500 in 11th place in the east in late December .


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Post#592 » by Jaqua92 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:31 pm

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
jordb2k7 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:

Yeah I don’t know that that is true. And Kyrie is the more efficient scorer. And Im fairly certain he’s going to have a chip on his shoulder about taking it to Boston.



Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t meant it’s not true.


Ditto
Tatum is unquestionably better at this point. The slight advantage Kyrie has in playmaking is more than made up for by Tatum's height and defense.

All advanced metrics point to it as well.

Kyrie may be a more skillful scorer, but Tatum is the better overall player. There's no actual evidence to suggest otherwise.

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Post#593 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:32 pm

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Well I hope you watch and enjoy the series so you'll find out it is in fact true. 8-)


I see the Celtics fans are already overly defensive…and the series hasn’t even started yet :lol:

Love it. Kyrie is still in their heads.


I wasn't feeling defensive at all when I wrote that but I know it can be hard to read that kind of thing over the Internet.

I was legitimately thinking that if you watch the series you'll get a better understanding of how good Tatum is and perhaps even become a fan. Which makes me happy, not defensive.


Aa fan of neither team, so no real dog in this fight, but as an NBA fan for 40+ years…it’s cute that you think I don’t know the ins and outs of both players games. But I’m glad you are happy.
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Post#594 » by bisme37 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:35 pm

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
bisme37 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
I see the Celtics fans are already overly defensive…and the series hasn’t even started yet :lol:

Love it. Kyrie is still in their heads.


I wasn't feeling defensive at all when I wrote that but I know it can be hard to read that kind of thing over the Internet.

I was legitimately thinking that if you watch the series you'll get a better understanding of how good Tatum is and perhaps even become a fan. Which makes me happy, not defensive.


Aa fan of neither team, so no real dog in this fight, but as an NBA fan for 40+ years…it’s cute that you think I don’t know the ins and outs of both players games. But I’m glad you are happy.


I continue to not understand why you're trying to fight me. But I haven't been called cute in a while so cheers on that.
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Post#595 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:42 pm

bisme37 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
bisme37 wrote:
I wasn't feeling defensive at all when I wrote that but I know it can be hard to read that kind of thing over the Internet.

I was legitimately thinking that if you watch the series you'll get a better understanding of how good Tatum is and perhaps even become a fan. Which makes me happy, not defensive.


Aa fan of neither team, so no real dog in this fight, but as an NBA fan for 40+ years…it’s cute that you think I don’t know the ins and outs of both players games. But I’m glad you are happy.


I continue to not understand why you're trying to fight me. But I haven't been called cute in a while so cheers on that.


You have weird description of trying to fight you. I just stated I know both players well as you seemed to be implying that I didn’t..and then said I was glad you are happy.
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Post#596 » by coopboii » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:44 pm

Nets in 7
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Post#597 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:48 pm

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Jaylen Brown also fasts apparently. So it might even out.

But will be tough.

Kyrie did drop 42 his last afternoon game though while fasting.

Oh wow I didn’t know that. That’s a super interesting dynamic to follow in this series.

It's easy to get through a fast. 10s of thousands of years people were not eating every day and still had to do physical labour, walk miles, hunt, whatever. The body remembers quickly if you give it a chance, it's in our genes.


Its not east to fast without water. Especially when doing physical activity.

If it was just food would be a lot easier.
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Post#598 » by bisme37 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:24 pm

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
bisme37 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
Aa fan of neither team, so no real dog in this fight, but as an NBA fan for 40+ years…it’s cute that you think I don’t know the ins and outs of both players games. But I’m glad you are happy.


I continue to not understand why you're trying to fight me. But I haven't been called cute in a while so cheers on that.


You have weird description of trying to fight you. I just stated I know both players well as you seemed to be implying that I didn’t..and then said I was glad you are happy.


Well I apologize for my part in our apparent miscommunication. Have a good one.
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Post#599 » by Karate Diop » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:37 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
jordb2k7 wrote:

Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t meant it’s not true.


Ditto
Tatum is unquestionably better at this point. The slight advantage Kyrie has in playmaking is more than made up for by Tatum's height and defense.

All advanced metrics point to it as well.

Kyrie may be a more skillful scorer, but Tatum is the better overall player. There's no actual evidence to suggest otherwise.

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Tatum is a better cornerstone given his age and room for improvement. But he's very predictable (in a bad way) in big moments... Needs to become a more willing passer instead of following on Jaylen Brown's footsteps as a pass last player.
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Post#600 » by Triple M » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:53 pm

Karate Diop wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
Ditto
Tatum is unquestionably better at this point. The slight advantage Kyrie has in playmaking is more than made up for by Tatum's height and defense.

All advanced metrics point to it as well.

Kyrie may be a more skillful scorer, but Tatum is the better overall player. There's no actual evidence to suggest otherwise.

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Tatum is a better cornerstone given his age and room for improvement. But he's very predictable (in a bad way) in big moments... Needs to become a more willing passer instead of following on Jaylen Brown's footsteps as a pass last player.


Both guys have improved as playmakers as the season gone on. Brown is following Tatum because Jayson has been more consistent as a playmaker. It is actually why the Celtics offense has been the 2nd best offense in the league in the calendar year.

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