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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#81 » by PerfectJab » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:01 pm

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I watch Maxey and I see shades of Fred/Sexton maybe Lowry when he hits his ceiling.

Precious? I don't know yet. How many guys his size guard the way he does and shoot from outside like he does? He could end up being a high-level role player or he could end up being an all-defense candidate or he may end up neither and just be a poor man's Ibaka.

Its not to say that Maxey can't exceed the Fred ceiling but thats what I see right now. Precious is more of a mystery box at this point.


He's better defensively, I'll give you that but on the offensive end I'd argue he's already better than Fred at this point. I don't think he'll ever be as good as a defender as FVV though, not to mention leadership qualities.

Maxey can really create his own shot. I think he has the potential to be one of the better offensive players in this league and if we are going on value, or returns if they are to be traded, I really don't think Precious will ever hit his level. Precious has potential to become a very good role player, Maxey has potential to be an allstar.





You could say the same on the other end that Precious will turn into one of the best defensive players in the league (already one of the better ones).

And how is a role player defined?
Is a role player someone getting x amount of touches?
Is a role player someone who comes off the bench?


I'd define it as someone who has the ability to be a starter but likely coming off the bench. Their value on a team is often defined by things that don't show up on the box score. Yes these things are important but it's a requirement for him given his skillset otherwise he wouldn't be in the league.

I think we are in a league that puts more value on offensive abilities vs defense. I also think that the system and the players that Achiuwa plays in do help to make him look better but when you look at WS and its direct impact, there really is no comparison.

I see in Maxey someone that has innate talent. l see in Achiuwa a player that is thriving in a good development system and will get the most out of it despite not having that innate talent. I also believe that length does not have as much of as impact as it used to and there are plenty of players of smaller stature that are killing it in the league right now.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#82 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:07 pm

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Yeah I was going to come say the same thing. Precious is intriguing and has an interesting skillset, but ... Maxey is trending higher right now.

IDK man, people act like Maxey is an all-star. He averages 17/4/3 and shoots the 3 on low volume, is not good defensively, is not a playmaker, etc.

He is currently a poor mans FVV with some slashing.


But anyone can see that if Harden leaves like Sexton got hurt, Maxey would likely have a Darius Garland type improvement.


If harden leavers Maxey gets the better defender on him and he does not get better that way statistically. Maxey's kind of made his name on open/wide open shots. Not to mention he plays SG, and off ball, which is what he is.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#83 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:11 pm

Maxey wasn't available, which I said a million times because the proposed trade made ZERO sense to turn down.

And for no real reason but habit, some people are still arguing we should have got Maxey and arguing he's better.

Just take the L and end it already.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#84 » by Basketball_Jones » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:24 pm

Maxey is freakin good, Beal potential. Though I think I’m happy with the depth of Precious/Gary. We’ll see if Maxey turns into a top level scorer someday.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#85 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:24 pm

Read on Twitter
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I remember this showing up on my Twitter feed a year ago. The Raptors asking price from the Sixers was pretty high. No wonder Morey turned it down.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#86 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:43 pm

Mehar wrote:
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#87 » by Los_29 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:04 pm

Mehar wrote:
Read on Twitter
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I remember this showing up on my Twitter feed a year ago. The Raptors asking price from the Sixers was pretty high. No wonder Morey turned it down.


That guy is a Philly beat writer. LOL.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#88 » by Ado05 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:12 pm

Maxey is better than Achiuwa. But Precious is pretty good with high potential, so he's a good consolation prize.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#89 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:17 pm

Los_29 wrote:
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Read on Twitter
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I remember this showing up on my Twitter feed a year ago. The Raptors asking price from the Sixers was pretty high. No wonder Morey turned it down.


That guy is a Philly beat writer. LOL.

He reported what Windhorst was reporting at the time about the Lowry demands. Windhorst is a reputable guy. He is not a guy like Doug Smith or other mediocre members of the press.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#90 » by PerfectJab » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:59 pm

vaff87 wrote:Simply talking in terms of the Raptors, I think they would rather have Precious. He fits their prototype perfectly: length, athleticism, versatility, and most notably, a willingness and ability to defend. Maxey may be a good player, but he doesn’t really fit what this team usually looks for.


This team looks for players that they can buy low and improve rather than players that are already high.

I think many are really overrating Achiuwa's potential at this point.

You're giving up way more assets to obtain Maxey than you are Achiuwa. When you have a player with more talent it is easier to trade for fit, rather than trade to obtain higher talent.

Suddenly Achiuwa is a good 3 point shooter (he is not) and all defensive potential (a little bit of a stretch) as you need to be able to not hurt your team on the other end too much in order to stay on the floor. The other option is to be elite at one thing which I don't see. He is a good role player.

This is definitely a bump worthy thread in the future.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#91 » by everdiso » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:08 pm

PerfectJab wrote:Suddenly Achiuwa is a good 3 point shooter (he is not)


Over his last forty (40) games he's shooting 40.6% on 2.9 attempts per game (4.7 attempts per 36).

And there's more above break 3s than corner 3s in that mix.

You think it's a fluke?
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#92 » by PerfectJab » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:12 pm

everdiso wrote:
PerfectJab wrote:Suddenly Achiuwa is a good 3 point shooter (he is not)


Over his last forty (40) games he's shooting 40.6% on 2.9 attempts per game (4.7 attempts per 36).

And there's more above break 3s than corner 3s in that mix.

You think it's a fluke?


I think it's 40 games and the fact that teams allow him to shoot the 3. Just wait until the scouting reports tightens up and no longer have the Harden's of the world guarding him nonchalantly.

Even so, I think it's awesome he's taking advantage of the situation but I wouldn't call his 3 point ability a selling point. That's indicative of recency bias.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#93 » by vaff87 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:38 pm

PerfectJab wrote:
vaff87 wrote:Simply talking in terms of the Raptors, I think they would rather have Precious. He fits their prototype perfectly: length, athleticism, versatility, and most notably, a willingness and ability to defend. Maxey may be a good player, but he doesn’t really fit what this team usually looks for.


This team looks for players that they can buy low and improve rather than players that are already high.

I think many are really overrating Achiuwa's potential at this point.

You're giving up way more assets to obtain Maxey than you are Achiuwa. When you have a player with more talent it is easier to trade for fit, rather than trade to obtain higher talent.

Suddenly Achiuwa is a good 3 point shooter (he is not) and all defensive potential (a little bit of a stretch) as you need to be able to not hurt your team on the other end too much in order to stay on the floor. The other option is to be elite at one thing which I don't see. He is a good role player.

This is definitely a bump worthy thread in the future.


I agree. You’re making an ass of yourself.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#94 » by PerfectJab » Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:20 pm

vaff87 wrote:
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vaff87 wrote:Simply talking in terms of the Raptors, I think they would rather have Precious. He fits their prototype perfectly: length, athleticism, versatility, and most notably, a willingness and ability to defend. Maxey may be a good player, but he doesn’t really fit what this team usually looks for.


This team looks for players that they can buy low and improve rather than players that are already high.

I think many are really overrating Achiuwa's potential at this point.

You're giving up way more assets to obtain Maxey than you are Achiuwa. When you have a player with more talent it is easier to trade for fit, rather than trade to obtain higher talent.

Suddenly Achiuwa is a good 3 point shooter (he is not) and all defensive potential (a little bit of a stretch) as you need to be able to not hurt your team on the other end too much in order to stay on the floor. The other option is to be elite at one thing which I don't see. He is a good role player.

This is definitely a bump worthy thread in the future.


I agree. You’re making an ass of yourself.


Wow, calm down their cowboy, people can have different opinions without you going all ad-hominem abusive. That's so high school, learn to control your emotions. You'd think at your age you would have learned that by now.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#95 » by ropjhk » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:15 pm

Looking like a smart move by Philly... at least for game 1 so far.
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#96 » by Live Free » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:21 pm

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Really? How so?


I mean, I don't want to get into all the stats and all that on a sunny Saturday morning before a big game, but I think it's fair to say the majority of NBA fans right now would give Maxey the upper hand if they were asked. I'm talking about as things currently stand today. 3 and 5 years down the line, who knows.


Its the same homers that never fail.. Maxey clearly has broken out this season over precious its not even close.. put em down kindly though with the 3 to 5 years line


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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#97 » by Psubs » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 pm

Those still don't think that Maxey is allstar calibre?
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#98 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:08 am

Psubs wrote:Those still don't think that Maxey is allstar calibre?

High end role player for sure at the moment. All star… no. Just one game lol
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#99 » by EH15 » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:08 am

The same day bump :o
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Re: Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey" 

Post#100 » by Inevitable » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:09 am

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