2022 Eastern Conference First Rd - #7 Nets at #3 Boston Gm 1

[myronbolitar]

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So symbolic. standing up in the face of adversity, with racists chanting aginst you and throwing objects at you, That logo is basically a symbol of hate with that city continuing to refuse to acknowledge they have a race problem.

Seek counseling.

[cam24thomas]

Its quite breathtaking how devastated the Celtics will be if they lose Game 1
Breathtaking level of devastation.

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Rumor is he going to debut in game 3

Good idea, he will make our home court especially powerful with his adrenalinized style of play.

[gigantes]

is it an excuse from now on if a guy's oura or whoop spits out a bad recovery score?

Not sure what dialect that is, but no "excuse" is necessary when there are facts & reality to back up why Joe played worse. As stated above and repeated below:

let's use a little bit of perspective here - a starter going to 35 mpg in the playoffs is completely normal. KD is playing 37 mpg this year in the regular season. years older and with recent injuries. and he is being asked to do everything. THAT is wearing a guy down.

Once again, you're saying that every "starter" should somehow have the same physiology as every other "starter." Sorry, but that's just not reality. Some guys can go almost almost 48mpg as long as they have 2-3 days rest, and some guys struggle going even 6-7mpg above their optimal rate. That's life.

Also, once again, you're ignoring the fact that Joe's objectively a below-average NBA athlete that compensates by hustle and being a gym rat. Guys like that are always going to gas early compared to more gifted athletes.

and you are still ignoring the fact that most of those 3's weren't being missed at minute 35 or 37. Going 1-7 twice a lot of those were missing in the 1Q, 2Q, 3Q in his normal minutes.

The problem with that argument is that you're specifically ignoring the cumulative fatigue issue. Did you just hit "reply" without actually absorbing anything?

So are you really saying that those first 7 games of the postseason when the nets went 6-1 and Harris shot 50% wore down his legs because he played 35m instead of 31m? And he was ruined beyond that from cumulative load?

I get that you're trying to be dramatic with that, but yes... I don't think it's rocket-surgery to imagine that early on, the extra minutes weren't a major issue, but that over time, they became more of one. Indeed, if the human body didn't work like that, it would pretty much be defying the laws of nature. Again, the key point is that different players have different optimal MPG, and Joe's is probably on the low side, like it or not. As was also pointed out-- this also came with Shamet turning to stone on the bench, which in the end is a Nash issue, as a guy who chronically overplays his starters.

Kyrie went out and Harden came back in. He and KD were playing 45+ mpg. They were being asked to go way above and beyond (green too). Not Joe, who was playing his usual role just in a few more minutes - like any other starter typically does in the playoffs.

You're simply wrong-- Joe was *not* being asked to play his usual role or minutes, and to pretend otherwise is flat out disingenuous IMO.

But out of every player in a nets uni, Joe harris had to do the least outside of his normal to win that series. He got open shots and he missed them. Don't take my word for it, listen to Joe Harris.

You're missing the point that any responsible competitor and good teammate would say the exact same thing. It's either blame the coach, draw attention to the fact that key guys were hurt, or just man up and take it on the chin. That's just uncontroversial Joe being Joe, and I would expect him to say the same exact thing if it happened again.

My entire point has simply been that to blame Sean Marks for not winning a championship last year or this year given all the freakish things is beyond weak.

There's plenty of things to blame Marks for, but I agree that firing him isn't likely to produce a better GM, and that's the main thing IMO. We're also light on picks in the coming years, and few GM's have proven as clever as Marks at mining picks.

Let's be real here-- these Nets probably aren't coming out of the East, and Marks has the near-perfect opportunity this offseason to let go of Nash and bring a far more competent coach in here. That should work nicely.

[MrDollarBills]

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So symbolic. standing up in the face of adversity, with racists chanting aginst you and throwing objects at you, That logo is basically a symbol of hate with that city continuing to refuse to acknowledge they have a race problem.

Seek counseling.

Or, you could go back to the Celtics board and stop letting him trigger you.

It's crazy how you guys lurk our boards. If you're so sure you're going to win why are you letting Prok upset you?

[Paradise]

So symbolic. standing up in the face of adversity, with racists chanting aginst you and throwing objects at you, That logo is basically a symbol of hate with that city continuing to refuse to acknowledge they have a race problem.

Seek counseling.

Or, you could go back to the Celtics board and stop letting him trigger you.

It's crazy how you guys lurk our boards. If you're so sure you're going to win why are you letting Prok upset you?

I love Prok, man. All these years of heated debates. He’s like our Skip Bayless but other fans haven’t figured out the art to his trolling. LOL.

[Stone]

Not even 12 noon and I'm on my third handful of jellybeans.....

Lets stick in the Celtics Keyster for Easter......Couldn't resist....

[Netaman]

So are you really saying that those first 7 games of the postseason when the nets went 6-1 and Harris shot 50% wore down his legs because he played 35m instead of 31m? And he was ruined beyond that from cumulative load?

I get that you're trying to be dramatic with that, but yes... I don't think it's rocket-surgery to imagine that early on, the extra minutes weren't a major issue, but that over time, they became more of one. Indeed, if the human body didn't work like that, it would pretty much be defying the laws of nature. Again, the key point is that different players have different optimal MPG, and Joe's is probably on the low side, like it or not. As was also pointed out-- this also came with Shamet turning to stone on the bench, which in the end is a Nash issue, as a guy who chronically overplays his starters.

for all of the back and forth it seems this is where we disagree. if cumulative load over a short duration, with days off, is a viable excuse, it means that you could probably make this argument for almost every player who struggles in the postseason.

but that said those who win NBA championships play a lot more minutes than the nets had to last year since they got bounced in round 2, so even if you are right I think we are aligned in that there's a lower ceiling we'd hoped for on Joe whatever the reason. you thinking so because he can't handle a minutes increase and me thinking because he just doesn't have that clutch gene. Not everyone can be Robert Horry - who routinely played bigger minutes in the postseason and hit the big shots his teams needed.

by the way Kyle Korver shot a lot worse in the postseason than he did in the regular season, and it did always seem to show up in the tougher series vs. the ones his team won easily. in his 3 seasons in CLE especially, he shot 45% reg season on 21 mpg and in the postseason those years shot 40% on the same minutes (and way worse than that in both the finals vs. GS). things just get harder when the pressure goes up.

that's all why I still think people are sleeping on how important it was for marks to swipe Curry because he seems to have that clutch gene. He's shot better for his career in the postseason than the regular season and he's made the postseason on 3 different teams. Last season he went from 29 mpg regular season and 45% to 32 mpg in 12 games and 50%. He's a major upgrade towards the nets looking more like the team that went 6-1 in their first 7 games last year than 1-4 in their last 5.

[gigantes]

So are you really saying that those first 7 games of the postseason when the nets went 6-1 and Harris shot 50% wore down his legs because he played 35m instead of 31m? And he was ruined beyond that from cumulative load?

I get that you're trying to be dramatic with that, but yes... I don't think it's rocket-surgery to imagine that early on, the extra minutes weren't a major issue, but that over time, they became more of one. Indeed, if the human body didn't work like that, it would pretty much be defying the laws of nature. Again, the key point is that different players have different optimal MPG, and Joe's is probably on the low side, like it or not. As was also pointed out-- this also came with Shamet turning to stone on the bench, which in the end is a Nash issue, as a guy who chronically overplays his starters.

for all of the back and forth it seems this is where we disagree. if cumulative load over a short duration, with days off, is a viable excuse, it means that you could probably make this argument for almost every player who struggles in the postseason.

In a general sense sure, but let's not forget the specifics of Joe's situation. Ie, below-average NBA athlete who received extra attention due to the injury situation, and who was significantly targeted by defenses anyway as the league's most efficient shooter across three years. Add that all up, and it's not the usual situation.

but that said those who win NBA championships play a lot more minutes than the nets had to last year since they got bounced in round 2, so even if you are right I think we are aligned in that there's a lower ceiling we'd hoped for on Joe whatever the reason. you thinking so because he can't handle a minutes increase and me thinking because he just doesn't have that clutch gene. Not everyone can be Robert Horry - who routinely played bigger minutes in the postseason and hit the big shots his teams needed.

I think that's fair on the whole. Altho Horry was in a much more advantageous situation as an extra-tall guy who wasn't expected to do much, on a team with superb team passing. You look at a typical Joe bucket the last few years, and he often has to work hard to shed the extra attention, then pivot on a dime to make his three attempts. That's in the context of an offense with guys who love to hold the ball, who tend to look for stationary passing targets.

The difference in pressure is night and day, nevermind the extra attention any dangerous player gets in the playoffs.

Also, we're talking about a guy who still played his usual way across the two bad series (in 2020 & 2022), and gamely kept firing away and playing his game. Defenses still had to respect him, and he still helped take pressure off the stars and space the floor.

Gotta love (or hate?) the irony, but Ben Simmons by comparison is a guy who wilted last offseason, started playing the game differently, and stopped taking his normal shots. I mean, you wanna throw the "choker" label around...?

by the way Kyle Korver shot a lot worse in the postseason than he did in the regular season, and it did always seem to show up in the tougher series vs. the ones his team won easily. in his 3 seasons in CLE especially, he shot 45% reg season on 21 mpg and in the postseason those years shot 40% on the same minutes (and way worse than that in both the finals vs. GS). things just get harder when the pressure goes up.

That's a much better comparison IMO because of how similar his game is to Joe, although Kyle's athleticism was probably a good bit worse. And I think sometimes we lose sight of the fact that some guys are giving 110% to make it in the top leagues, while some guys can lean on their raw ability for years.

that's all why I still think people are sleeping on how important it was for marks to swipe Curry because he seems to have that clutch gene. He's shot better for his career in the postseason than the regular season and he's made the postseason on 3 different teams. Last season he went from 29 mpg regular season and 45% to 32 mpg in 12 games and 50%. He's a major upgrade towards the nets looking more like the team that went 6-1 in their first 7 games last year than 1-4 in their last 5.

I'm still learning about Scurry's game, but he also seems like another undersized SG / combo guard who needs to be sniping to be useful on the floor. All things being equal I prefer Joe, who can do more things, including play better defense, but I have to agree in a sense that Harris' value has probably peaked at ~$20m/yr, age 31 next season, and now with health concerns.

If Kessler has a typical rookie jump next year, he could wind up being a much better value... much more athletic, and a better defender. I would think he'd better be able to soak up extra minutes as needed.

[Claud]

7/11 can definitely cook these cats. Game 1 is up for grabs.

Tired of all the talk and ready for ball. Let's see what each team has.

Curious to see Nash's shorter rotation.

Kyrie/Curry/Brown/KD/Drummond
with Patty/Dragic/Clax off the bench it's my expectation. 8 man rotation.
Maybe sprinkly some Edwards or Blake if needed.

[ArksNetsSince99]

It’s Time , i smell sage in TD Garden already , Lets Go Nets !!! Get the W and shut up Saltics once and for all

[HardenGoat]

One hour. I’m rooting for you guys. I think Patty is going to find his groove, he was the one signing I thought was huge. He always steps up when the stakes are the highest.

[RondoToKG]

You guys ready to get smoked

[Netaman]

I'm still learning about Scurry's game, but he also seems like another undersized SG / combo guard who needs to be sniping to be useful on the floor. All things being equal I prefer Joe, who can do more things, including play better defense, but I have to agree in a sense that Harris' value has probably peaked at ~$20m/yr, age 31 next season, and now with health concerns.

curry >>>> harris imo. craftier scorer and while to this point they've shot almost the same %'s with KD, Curry's stroke is just so pure and he's hit a bunch in crunch time too. of course you don't win a 3pt contest by not having a pure shot, but remember Harris is a career 78% FT shooter, which is very low all things considered. curry sneaks a few steals every now and then too.

[MrDollarBills]

Seek counseling.

Or, you could go back to the Celtics board and stop letting him trigger you.

It's crazy how you guys lurk our boards. If you're so sure you're going to win why are you letting Prok upset you?

I love Prok, man. All these years of heated debates. He’s like our Skip Bayless but other fans haven’t figured out the art to his trolling. LOL.

They keep taking the bait every single time

It's crazy how they care about what we are saying on here. They're like Bucks fans, just insecure as hell

[Netaman]

You guys ready to get smoked

Ready

[Paradise]

You guys ready to get smoked

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[cam24thomas]

You guys ready to get smoked

No, but if Boston lose Game 1 then the series is over.

[MrDollarBills]

Not one action called to get Horford or Theis on an island versus KD and Kyrie. Nash is clueless.

[Born_Ready]

They gotta withstand the the Celtics punches early and not be playing catch up at any point.

And, Kyrie needs to quiet the crowd in the process.

[cam24thomas]

Boston failed to jump the Nets.