Depth Chart next Season- bringing everyone back!

[Bensational]

The draft will dictate a lot. I see Chet, Jabari and Paulo probably going straight into starting roles. Ivey, Murray, Mathurin, etc probably have to earn that role off one of our other guys or they become a 6th man.

Fultz and Suggs isn’t a problem to me. Suggs needs to improve his 3pt shooting, so let’s let him keep shooting until he gets better. The L’s are more bearable if we don’t mind being in the lottery again without tanking. He’ll either get it or he won’t. He can ease his way into full time playmaking alongside Fultz.

Oh yeah it's impossible to say a rotation right now without knowing who their first round pick ends up being.

I also think if he's healthy, and we can put whatever longshot odds we want on this actually happening, but I still think the organization views Isaac as a starting PF provided the injuries haven't totally sapped his skills.

It’s hard to know how they’ll approach Isaac, but I think they’d take getting him on the court and having him be able to stay on it will be a win for him and them next season. If he’s challenging the rookie for minutes then more motivation for the rookie to improve and we reassess.

But a lot can happen between now and the start of the season.

[drsd]

And what's the point of that?

Like just win 22 or go ahead and win 42. Winning 32 is like the worst place.

Teams don't go from bad to good. Mediocrity needs to be a middle point. Look at Cleveland and Atlanta. Orlando's best case is to follow their developmental paths.

The SouthEast will be tough next year and a 32-win season must be seen as an aspiration.

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[drsd]

And what's the point of that?

Like just win 22 or go ahead and win 42. Winning 32 is like the worst place.

Teams don't go from bad to good. Mediocrity needs to be a middle point. Look at Cleveland and Atlanta. Orlando's best case is to follow their developmental paths.

The SouthEast will be tough next year and a 32-win season must be seen as an aspiration.

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Reflective further on this, what I do agree with is leveraging the future to be mediocre. Such a path has crippled New York for a decade now. For what: perpetual 32-win teams are probably more frustration to have as a fan than a team having a rebuild follow another rebuild.

In that, the trades of Fournier, Gordon and Vučević for youth and assets is a good move for fans. Can you imaging what is it like as a fan to watch management build around Julius Randle as "THE" player ?!?!?!?


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[Skybox]

And what's the point of that?

Like just win 22 or go ahead and win 42. Winning 32 is like the worst place.

Teams don't go from bad to good. Mediocrity needs to be a middle point. Look at Cleveland and Atlanta. Orlando's best case is to follow their developmental paths.

The SouthEast will be tough next year and a 32-win season must be seen as an aspiration.

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Reflective further on this, what I do agree with is leveraging the future to be mediocre. Such a path has crippled New York for a decade now. For what: perpetual 32-win teams are probably more frustration to have as a fan than a team having a rebuild follow another rebuild.

In that, the trades of Fournier, Gordon and Vučević for youth and assets is a good move for fans. Can you imaging what is it like as a fan to watch management build around Julius Randle as "THE" player ?!?!?!?


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Agree...and, despite early flashes, you'd have to say CHI may have just made a mistake that will limit their potential. On the other hand...
- CP3 is the key to PHO's young roster 'getting it"
-CJ McCollum is the clear spiritual leader for an exciting and YOUNG NOLA team with Zion and a lottery pick coming
-Adams, IMO is not a tiny part of what's going on in MEM
-MIA, is largely a young team, but the addition of Butler (and Lowry) makes them a contender
-GSW might have a really interesting mix of vets and upcoming studs if they get healthy

SAC, WAS, HOU, OKC (although that could literally change overnight with a massacre of moves), LAL, , NYK,LAC - I don't like their present trajectories. POR I'm not sure if Dame will be the inspirational leader of a young core or just a $$$ anchor- same with Beal.

I think ORL, DET, IND, SAS all could really rise with one or two really big additions and/or making the right picks. Who could be that vet leader (that was maybe written off, injured, overpaid, miscast, or just somehow forgotten) who finds himself in the right spot, with the right young guys, and has a huge resurgence in his own career and plays a big role in lifting a team to new heights (that would likely continue after he retires or, at least, declines)? Guesses...Gordon Hayward? Brogdon?

[Knightro]

And what's the point of that?

Like just win 22 or go ahead and win 42. Winning 32 is like the worst place.

Teams don't go from bad to good. Mediocrity needs to be a middle point. Look at Cleveland and Atlanta. Orlando's best case is to follow their developmental paths.

The SouthEast will be tough next year and a 32-win season must be seen as an aspiration.

The Cavs went from 22 wins to 44 wins in one offseason.

The Hawks went from 20 wins to 41 wins in one offseason.

Neither team had this low to mid 30s midpoint you're suggesting that the Magic need to have because that sort of midpoint isn't actually needed.

[Skybox]

And what's the point of that?

Like just win 22 or go ahead and win 42. Winning 32 is like the worst place.

Teams don't go from bad to good. Mediocrity needs to be a middle point. Look at Cleveland and Atlanta. Orlando's best case is to follow their developmental paths.

The SouthEast will be tough next year and a 32-win season must be seen as an aspiration.

The Cavs went from 22 wins to 44 wins in one offseason.

The Hawks went from 20 wins to 41 wins in one offseason.

Neither team had this low to mid 30s midpoint you're suggesting that the Magic need to have because that sort of midpoint isn't actually needed.

40's is mediocre/middle step...if it wasn't, we would have held steady with Vuc, AG, Evan...having a roster that stops there is a dead end...One could even make an argument that the emergence of Isaac, Fultz, Okeke, and Cole could have taken us to the next level (I'm not saying that, but it wouldn't be an unthinkable trajectory - especially with how Isaac was playing).

[Knightro]

40's is mediocre/middle step...if it wasn't, we would have held steady with Vuc, AG, Evan...having a roster that stops there is a dead end...One could even make an argument that the emergence of Isaac, Fultz, Okeke, and Cole could have taken us to the next level (I'm not saying that, but it wouldn't be an unthinkable trajectory - especially with how Isaac was playing).

I agree with you, but that's not what drsd is saying though.

He's saying the Magic need to win 32 before they can win 42 and I simply do not agree with that conceptually or in practice either.

If the Magic's ceiling next year is only 32 wins, they're better off tanking it down to 22.

If the Magic actually want to be competitive, then shoot for the playoffs. Spend the cap space. Make trades. Try and win 42.

"Not bad enough to get a top pick, not good enough to make the playoffs" is the absolute only place I don't want them to be next year.

[VFX]

The Magic need talent. They need a legitimate allstar to build around.

Crawling up to 32 wins without one isn’t what fans should be hoping for.

[orthoman]

I'm thinking more and more Ivey can be a star we need. Build around him. I agree with another poster that we should have the attitude that " Isaac just does not exist" and if he emerges, that's a plus.

Fultz and Ivey would be fun to watch. Suggs off the bench. Ship Cole/Ross and money for a trade.

Its a win-win if we get Jabari Smith also...another Rashard Lewis.

If we don't get the #1 or #2 pick we're fu***d.

Franz and WCJ start. Holmgren is a project. IMO Holmgren is another Bamba.

I strongly believe Bamba will be resigned and Bol shipped out. I've seen too many photos/images/press conferences where Bamba and others are holding arms around each other as friends..Weltman spoke recently about chemistry and friendships and I just don't think he'll let Bamba go. The team must like him alot.

[Skybox]

40's is mediocre/middle step...if it wasn't, we would have held steady with Vuc, AG, Evan...having a roster that stops there is a dead end...One could even make an argument that the emergence of Isaac, Fultz, Okeke, and Cole could have taken us to the next level (I'm not saying that, but it wouldn't be an unthinkable trajectory - especially with how Isaac was playing).

I agree with you, but that's not what drsd is saying though.

He's saying the Magic need to win 32 before they can win 42 and I simply do not agree with that conceptually or in practice either.

If the Magic's ceiling next year is only 32 wins, they're better off tanking it down to 22.

If the Magic actually want to be competitive, then shoot for the playoffs. Spend the cap space. Make trades. Try and win 42.

"Not bad enough to get a top pick, not good enough to make the playoffs" is the absolute only place I don't want them to be next year.

I guess none of us really disagree...I agree with him conceptually, that incremental progress is necessary. Obviously, the bigger the jump, the better...but I never went for the "does this trade get you a ring?" (if not, don't bother) mentality.

What I'd really like is a major trade at the same time we draft just the right guy...changing the whole look of the roster overnight by improving the chemistry with some strong vet leadership and a young star. After a few years of asset accumulation and analysis, sorting out all of our cards in one big sweep to actually build a team with an identity - rather than a bunch of prospects.

[basketballRob]

I want to see us add more length at guard. I think we need to keep Bamba for his size but Detroit may offer him a big contract.

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