Tyrese Maxey VS Immanuel Quickley

[thebuzzardman]

This is almost as embarrassing as Frank is a PG and Mitchell is just a scorer and give Frank time and Frank would look good next to a star like Doncic. Not quite as extreme as that but close. At least in that case Frank was actually younger so folks got away with the age excuse. This time they are saying Maxey is a finished product even though he’s better now and also younger but IQ is still learning LOL

I know you hate IQ, and his PG play and lack of handle in general were really bad earlier this year. I mean, they probably were last year, but it felt ok since at least initially, he was a good 3 point shooter and the floater was nice and it was solid contribution from a later 1st round pick.

I think he's gotten better with the handle - or maybe not dribbling itself, but has added enough hesitation to be more effective.
Again, I didn't see this in a noticeable way until the last 20 games.

To me, that's a positive sign he'll be an ok player.
Ignoring the silly Maxey vs IQ debate, since Maxey was gone, though again, it's possible to critique the Knicks FO (Perry? Perrin?) since the Knicks were there scouting and decided to pass on Maxey - at 8.
Knicks had to take Obi for Leon's son though, and after that Maxey went first because, well, he's better.

All these guys: RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, Cam, Mitch, Sims - none of them are GREAT, but they are at least "ok", all possess some kind of upside (except Mitch - he's what he is), all at or under 24, and for the moment, none are expensive.
That's an improvement over the Knicks of the past.

It doesn't mean "WOW THE FUTURE IS GREAT" or anything, just that there's an opportunity to build on this IF the Knicks make some of the right moves.
Which they won't, since they never do.

[HEZI]

This is almost as embarrassing as Frank is a PG and Mitchell is just a scorer and give Frank time and Frank would look good next to a star like Doncic. Not quite as extreme as that but close. At least in that case Frank was actually younger so folks got away with the age excuse. This time they are saying Maxey is a finished product even though he’s better now and also younger but IQ is still learning LOL

I know you hate IQ, and his PG play and lack of handle in general were really bad earlier this year. I mean, they probably were last year, but it felt ok since at least initially, he was a good 3 point shooter and the floater was nice and it was solid contribution from a later 1st round pick.

I think he's gotten better with the handle - or maybe not dribbling itself, but has added enough hesitation to be more effective.
Again, I didn't see this in a noticeable way until the last 20 games.

To me, that's a positive sign he'll be an ok player.
Ignoring the silly Maxey vs IQ debate, since Maxey was gone, though again, it's possible to critique the Knicks FO (Perry? Perrin?) since the Knicks were there scouting and decided to pass on Maxey - at 8.
Knicks had to take Obi for Leon's son though, and after that Maxey went first because, well, he's better.

All these guys: RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, Cam, Mitch, Sims - none of them are GREAT, but they are at least "ok", all possess some kind of upside (except Mitch - he's what he is), all at or under 24, and for the moment, none are expensive.
That's an improvement over the Knicks of the past.

It doesn't mean "WOW THE FUTURE IS GREAT" or anything, just that there's an opportunity to build on this IF the Knicks make some of the right moves.
Which they won't, since they never do.

It’s fine to think IQ is just ok but we don’t have to pretend he’s as good as Maxey. The thread is about comparing the two and right now I don’t see how anybody would choose IQ as he’s the far inferior player plus he’s older.

Basically IQs absolute ceiling is where Maxey is already at right now so what is Maxey’s ceiling?

[Nazrmohamed]

So I was a big Maxey fan who never paid attention to IQ until we landed him. Maxey was definitely a better prospect and currently the better player. I don't thinkine has to feel bad about that. But with that said I don't wanna put limits on where IQ can go. I think hes got a similar package of skills but still has potential in that specific role as he's been mainly used as an off-guard. I think getting stronger and building his handle further will help. I think you do those two things and the FG% will naturally get better.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

They don't play the same position IQ was learning to be a point guard which is why in my response to you i said let's give IQ some credit for learning a completely new position and finally figuring it out once he started getting more minutes.

They play the same position, both will be slotted at and defend the opposing PG on most nights, and neither are or project into being traiditonal PGs. Post all-star break IQ averaged 4.8apg, pre-Harden trade Maxey averaged 4.6apg while playing PG, neither one of these guys are pure PGs, both are scoring combo guards with some playmaking secondary.

Ok but that's completely irrelevant to my point. IQ was learning an entirely new position that he's never really played before even at Kentucky. We're talking about production and how a player looks yes? So naturally Maxey is going to look better on a better team, better surroundings and playing shooting guard getting maximum minutes. Maxey averaged 12+ minutes more per game than IQ playing in a free flowing offense whereas IQ had to play with Randle which can't be overstated enough how much that negatively effects every player on the team.

I just don't understand why everyone loves speaking in definites about our young players but prop other teams players up simply bc they have a better surroundings and don't play for a psychopath head coach.

Maxey is the better player right now, ok cool. Let's see how IQ plays next season and what his role is.

This is honestly ridiculous, Maxey was the PG for the Sixers before the Harden trade, they had the best record in the East while he was primary ball handler and was learning a new position as well. He's younger than IQ ontop of all that, again, neither of them projects out to being some pure PG.

Why is it so difficult to understand why Maxey is good? He's hitting the three at a high rate and has a dynamite first step, you all keep trying to reduce this to him playing with Embiid/Harden, or that it's better surroundings when his individual attributes & skillset as a player are the why, and why he started over IQ in college, and why he was drafted before IQ as well. Maybe, just maybe he's a more talented player regardless of the situation?

[KnixtapeH20]

They play the same position, both will be slotted at and defend the opposing PG on most nights, and neither are or project into being traiditonal PGs. Post all-star break IQ averaged 4.8apg, pre-Harden trade Maxey averaged 4.6apg while playing PG, neither one of these guys are pure PGs, both are scoring combo guards with some playmaking secondary.

Ok but that's completely irrelevant to my point. IQ was learning an entirely new position that he's never really played before even at Kentucky. We're talking about production and how a player looks yes? So naturally Maxey is going to look better on a better team, better surroundings and playing shooting guard getting maximum minutes. Maxey averaged 12+ minutes more per game than IQ playing in a free flowing offense whereas IQ had to play with Randle which can't be overstated enough how much that negatively effects every player on the team.

I just don't understand why everyone loves speaking in definites about our young players but prop other teams players up simply bc they have a better surroundings and don't play for a psychopath head coach.

Maxey is the better player right now, ok cool. Let's see how IQ plays next season and what his role is.

This is honestly ridiculous, Maxey was the PG for the Sixers before the Harden trade, they had the best record in the East while he was primary ball handler and was learning a new position as well. He's younger than IQ ontop of all that, again, neither of them projects out to being some pure PG.

Why is it so difficult to understand why Maxey is good? He's hitting the three at a high rate and has a dynamite first step, you all keep trying to reduce this to him playing with Embiid/Harden, or that it's better surroundings when his individual attributes & skillset as a player are the why, and why he started over IQ in college, and why he was drafted before IQ as well. Maybe, just maybe he's a more talented player regardless of the situation?

Maxey played point at Kentucky, it's more natural to him in the NBA. The Knicks didn't have a point guard so they started grooming quick for that role and now they should let him have a full season as the starter.

Where is anyone saying IQ is better than Maxey, you're just acting like it isn't close and IQ is some dime a dozen scrub. Maybe he is and maybe he isnt can we give him next season where he actually gets to play meaningful minutes like Maxey got? His numbers are not that far off from Maxey in a muvh more limited role.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Ok but that's completely irrelevant to my point. IQ was learning an entirely new position that he's never really played before even at Kentucky. We're talking about production and how a player looks yes? So naturally Maxey is going to look better on a better team, better surroundings and playing shooting guard getting maximum minutes. Maxey averaged 12+ minutes more per game than IQ playing in a free flowing offense whereas IQ had to play with Randle which can't be overstated enough how much that negatively effects every player on the team.

I just don't understand why everyone loves speaking in definites about our young players but prop other teams players up simply bc they have a better surroundings and don't play for a psychopath head coach.

Maxey is the better player right now, ok cool. Let's see how IQ plays next season and what his role is.

This is honestly ridiculous, Maxey was the PG for the Sixers before the Harden trade, they had the best record in the East while he was primary ball handler and was learning a new position as well. He's younger than IQ ontop of all that, again, neither of them projects out to being some pure PG.

Why is it so difficult to understand why Maxey is good? He's hitting the three at a high rate and has a dynamite first step, you all keep trying to reduce this to him playing with Embiid/Harden, or that it's better surroundings when his individual attributes & skillset as a player are the why, and why he started over IQ in college, and why he was drafted before IQ as well. Maybe, just maybe he's a more talented player regardless of the situation?

Maxey played point at Kentucky, it's more natural to him in the NBA. The Knicks didn't have a point guard so they started grooming quick for that role and now they should let him have a full season as the starter.

Where is anyone saying IQ is better than Maxey, you're just acting like it isn't close and IQ is some dime a dozen scrub. Maybe he is and maybe he isnt can we give him next season where he actually gets to play meaningful minutes like Maxey got? His numbers are not that far off from Maxey in a muvh more limited role.

These are excuses, earlier you said he's playing shooting guard which explains the current numbers, but now it's he played PG in college so it's natural to him in the NBA, which is it? He's simply more talented, it shouldn't be this hard for some of you to see. That doesn't mean IQ sucks, it's just reality.

It isn't close, Maxey shoots higher from 3 than IQ does from the field, what are we doing here?

[KnixtapeH20]

This is honestly ridiculous, Maxey was the PG for the Sixers before the Harden trade, they had the best record in the East while he was primary ball handler and was learning a new position as well. He's younger than IQ ontop of all that, again, neither of them projects out to being some pure PG.

Why is it so difficult to understand why Maxey is good? He's hitting the three at a high rate and has a dynamite first step, you all keep trying to reduce this to him playing with Embiid/Harden, or that it's better surroundings when his individual attributes & skillset as a player are the why, and why he started over IQ in college, and why he was drafted before IQ as well. Maybe, just maybe he's a more talented player regardless of the situation?

Maxey played point at Kentucky, it's more natural to him in the NBA. The Knicks didn't have a point guard so they started grooming quick for that role and now they should let him have a full season as the starter.

Where is anyone saying IQ is better than Maxey, you're just acting like it isn't close and IQ is some dime a dozen scrub. Maybe he is and maybe he isnt can we give him next season where he actually gets to play meaningful minutes like Maxey got? His numbers are not that far off from Maxey in a muvh more limited role.

These are excuses, earlier you said he's playing shooting guard which explains the current numbers, but now it's he played PG in college so it's natural to him in the NBA, which is it? He's simply more talented, it shouldn't be this hard for some of you to see. That doesn't mean IQ sucks, it's just reality.

It isn't close, Maxey shoots higher from 3 than IQ does from the field, what are we doing here?

Bro but you're disregarding the reason why IQ's numbers plummeted. He was learning an entirely different position, it threw his entire game off. I know u saw how lost he was trying to facilitate yet also figure out his role when Randle was on the court with him. It was classic knicks. Let him handle the **** point. Not let him learn point but then have him stand in a corner watching Randle dribble7the air out of the ball.

I'm not making excuses at all for IQ if anything you're disreguarding blatant reasons why his play the 1st half of the season was wildly inconsistent. He's a very good shooter when he's able to do his thing. U saw towards the end how comfortable he was and found a balance between facilitating and scoring -- while playing all out defense.

It's not so easy to play both ends while giving max effort. The energy required is different.

Lets wait and see how IQ looks next season they we'll have a better idea of what he's gona be

[Iron Mantis]

This is honestly ridiculous, Maxey was the PG for the Sixers before the Harden trade, they had the best record in the East while he was primary ball handler and was learning a new position as well. He's younger than IQ ontop of all that, again, neither of them projects out to being some pure PG.

Why is it so difficult to understand why Maxey is good? He's hitting the three at a high rate and has a dynamite first step, you all keep trying to reduce this to him playing with Embiid/Harden, or that it's better surroundings when his individual attributes & skillset as a player are the why, and why he started over IQ in college, and why he was drafted before IQ as well. Maybe, just maybe he's a more talented player regardless of the situation?

Maxey played point at Kentucky, it's more natural to him in the NBA. The Knicks didn't have a point guard so they started grooming quick for that role and now they should let him have a full season as the starter.

Where is anyone saying IQ is better than Maxey, you're just acting like it isn't close and IQ is some dime a dozen scrub. Maybe he is and maybe he isnt can we give him next season where he actually gets to play meaningful minutes like Maxey got? His numbers are not that far off from Maxey in a muvh more limited role.

These are excuses, earlier you said he's playing shooting guard which explains the current numbers, but now it's he played PG in college so it's natural to him in the NBA, which is it? He's simply more talented, it shouldn't be this hard for some of you to see. That doesn't mean IQ sucks, it's just reality.

It isn't close, Maxey shoots higher from 3 than IQ does from the field, what are we doing here?

Maxey is better than IQ right now. It is what it is.

When Quickley starts next season and gets his 35 minutes, it should yield more data to better compare.

I think Quick will put up slightly less scoring numbers on less efficiency than Maxey, but will clearly average more rebounds and assists.

[KnixtapeH20]

This is almost as embarrassing as Frank is a PG and Mitchell is just a scorer and give Frank time and Frank would look good next to a star like Doncic. Not quite as extreme as that but close. At least in that case Frank was actually younger so folks got away with the age excuse. This time they are saying Maxey is a finished product even though he’s better now and also younger but IQ is still learning LOL

I know you hate IQ, and his PG play and lack of handle in general were really bad earlier this year. I mean, they probably were last year, but it felt ok since at least initially, he was a good 3 point shooter and the floater was nice and it was solid contribution from a later 1st round pick.

I think he's gotten better with the handle - or maybe not dribbling itself, but has added enough hesitation to be more effective.
Again, I didn't see this in a noticeable way until the last 20 games.

To me, that's a positive sign he'll be an ok player.
Ignoring the silly Maxey vs IQ debate, since Maxey was gone, though again, it's possible to critique the Knicks FO (Perry? Perrin?) since the Knicks were there scouting and decided to pass on Maxey - at 8.
Knicks had to take Obi for Leon's son though, and after that Maxey went first because, well, he's better.

All these guys: RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, Cam, Mitch, Sims - none of them are GREAT, but they are at least "ok", all possess some kind of upside (except Mitch - he's what he is), all at or under 24, and for the moment, none are expensive.
That's an improvement over the Knicks of the past.

It doesn't mean "WOW THE FUTURE IS GREAT" or anything, just that there's an opportunity to build on this IF the Knicks make some of the right moves.
Which they won't, since they never do.

It’s fine to think IQ is just ok but we don’t have to pretend he’s as good as Maxey. The thread is about comparing the two and right now I don’t see how anybody would choose IQ as he’s the far inferior player plus he’s older.

Basically IQs absolute ceiling is where Maxey is already at right now so what is Maxey’s ceiling?

So IQ is just ok and maxey is what a superstar, all star? What's the comparison. They're much more closer than u make them out to be. They're closer than they are far apart.

Why are ppl going so hard for Maxey and so critical of IQ? OHHH bc one plays for the Knicks and one doesn't. Very simple... All our players suck syndrome from years of disappointment.

Let's let next season play out and we can revisit the comparison.

[Capn'O]

Let's say Quickley becomes better than Maxey... look, I can dream, can't I?

Kentucky guards stay being underrated though. Hmmm. Hard look at TyTy?

[Iron Mantis]

I know you hate IQ, and his PG play and lack of handle in general were really bad earlier this year. I mean, they probably were last year, but it felt ok since at least initially, he was a good 3 point shooter and the floater was nice and it was solid contribution from a later 1st round pick.

I think he's gotten better with the handle - or maybe not dribbling itself, but has added enough hesitation to be more effective.
Again, I didn't see this in a noticeable way until the last 20 games.

To me, that's a positive sign he'll be an ok player.
Ignoring the silly Maxey vs IQ debate, since Maxey was gone, though again, it's possible to critique the Knicks FO (Perry? Perrin?) since the Knicks were there scouting and decided to pass on Maxey - at 8.
Knicks had to take Obi for Leon's son though, and after that Maxey went first because, well, he's better.

All these guys: RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, Cam, Mitch, Sims - none of them are GREAT, but they are at least "ok", all possess some kind of upside (except Mitch - he's what he is), all at or under 24, and for the moment, none are expensive.
That's an improvement over the Knicks of the past.

It doesn't mean "WOW THE FUTURE IS GREAT" or anything, just that there's an opportunity to build on this IF the Knicks make some of the right moves.
Which they won't, since they never do.

It’s fine to think IQ is just ok but we don’t have to pretend he’s as good as Maxey. The thread is about comparing the two and right now I don’t see how anybody would choose IQ as he’s the far inferior player plus he’s older.

Basically IQs absolute ceiling is where Maxey is already at right now so what is Maxey’s ceiling?

So IQ is just ok and maxey is what a superstar, all star? What's the comparison. They're much more closer than u make them out to be. They're closer than they are far apart.

Why are ppl going so hard for Maxey and so critical of IQ? OHHH bc one plays for the Knicks and one doesn't. Very simple... All our players suck syndrome from years of disappointment.

Let's let next season play out and we can revisit the comparison.

Don't let his assessment get to you.

Let me remind you....throughout last season when we were declaring that Elfrid Payton is at best a 3rd string player that needs to immediately be removed from the rotation....HEZI was Stanning mega-hard for Elfrid all year, saying he needs to put up 15+ shots per game for the Knicks to maximize their winning potential.

We see how that turned out.

[Kampuchea]

We can't really compare because IQ is mistreated by coach Thibs. IQ only gets 23 minutes a game, how could you even think about evaluating him based on so few minutes, you sick bastards?

I bet Maxey would be shooting 30% or less if getting under 25 minutes. Add in the fact that Thibs didn't let High-IQ and Super-Mitch run enough PnR, which ended up costing the both of them All NBA team selections, at least 3rd team IMO.

Let's wait until 3 or 4 more seasons of data accumulates - 78 games of 23 minutes? That's 12th man status. Thanks Thibs you silly son of a bitch.

[Gravy]

IQ kinda sucked for half the season in a backup role. I dont see how starting would have turned him into Maxey

[Iron Mantis]

IQ kinda sucked for half the season in a backup role. I don't see how starting would have turned him into Maxey

For a young player, starting is the ultimate vote of confidence from your coach that you can get it done at the highest level.

When given this opportunity....real ones spread their wings and fly

Those who aren't built for it stay mediocre

[HEZI]

I know you hate IQ, and his PG play and lack of handle in general were really bad earlier this year. I mean, they probably were last year, but it felt ok since at least initially, he was a good 3 point shooter and the floater was nice and it was solid contribution from a later 1st round pick.

I think he's gotten better with the handle - or maybe not dribbling itself, but has added enough hesitation to be more effective.
Again, I didn't see this in a noticeable way until the last 20 games.

To me, that's a positive sign he'll be an ok player.
Ignoring the silly Maxey vs IQ debate, since Maxey was gone, though again, it's possible to critique the Knicks FO (Perry? Perrin?) since the Knicks were there scouting and decided to pass on Maxey - at 8.
Knicks had to take Obi for Leon's son though, and after that Maxey went first because, well, he's better.

All these guys: RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, Cam, Mitch, Sims - none of them are GREAT, but they are at least "ok", all possess some kind of upside (except Mitch - he's what he is), all at or under 24, and for the moment, none are expensive.
That's an improvement over the Knicks of the past.

It doesn't mean "WOW THE FUTURE IS GREAT" or anything, just that there's an opportunity to build on this IF the Knicks make some of the right moves.
Which they won't, since they never do.

It’s fine to think IQ is just ok but we don’t have to pretend he’s as good as Maxey. The thread is about comparing the two and right now I don’t see how anybody would choose IQ as he’s the far inferior player plus he’s older.

Basically IQs absolute ceiling is where Maxey is already at right now so what is Maxey’s ceiling?

So IQ is just ok and maxey is what a superstar, all star? What's the comparison. They're much more closer than u make them out to be. They're closer than they are far apart.

Why are ppl going so hard for Maxey and so critical of IQ? OHHH bc one plays for the Knicks and one doesn't. Very simple... All our players suck syndrome from years of disappointment.

Let's let next season play out and we can revisit the comparison.

Close in what? They aren't close at all and thats the whole point

Have you seen their numbers? Watched them on the court? What is close about them? Maxey is better at literally everything

There is being a homer then there is just being a Knicks homer aka delusional

[rajajackal]

IQ kinda sucked for half the season in a backup role. I dont see how starting would have turned him into Maxey

what i saw was a player who had a sophomore slump and worked through it, which encouraged me. at the end of the season, i was more impressed by how IQ was starting to put together his floor generalship and driving for layups than i was by his 3P% coming back to level. i'm not out here saying he's the be all end all future at PG but i would say that he's earned a shot at the starting role

[KnixtapeH20]

IQ kinda sucked for half the season in a backup role. I dont see how starting would have turned him into Maxey

Oh another Maxey is this unbelievable talent but quick is not.. Yawn

Maybe bc when quick actually got starter minutes and actually started he looked great? Oh forgot games didn't matter, doesn't count crowd.

Maxey started 8 games his rookie season while IQ started 3.... Maxey started 74 games his sophomore season while IQ, u guessed it started THREE. But that doesn't account for Maxey being further along in his development right guys? Nope.

So IQ played more minutes than Maxey his rookie season 19.4 compared to 15.3 for Maxey... And guess what? IQ scored more points 11.4 for IQ while Maxey scored 8. It's almost like if u play more minutes u get better production... Crazy concept I know


How about we just shelve this discussion until next season bc it's getting ridiculous how many ppl wanna appoint Maxey and throw IQ to the sharks when the have similar numbers....

[RHODEY]

Let's say Quickley becomes better than Maxey... look, I can dream, can't I?

Kentucky guards stay being underrated though. Hmmm. Hard look at TyTy?

Better than Maxey at what? Being a PG without having 2 MVPs and a loaded team to pass to, with 30 percent less minutes? He already is.

[Gravy]

IQ kinda sucked for half the season in a backup role. I dont see how starting would have turned him into Maxey

Oh another Maxey is this unbelievable talent but quick is not.. Yawn

Maybe bc when quick actually got starter minutes and actually started he looked great? Oh forgot games didn't matter, doesn't count crowd.

Maxey started 8 games his rookie season while IQ started 3.... Maxey started 74 games his sophomore season while IQ, u guessed it started THREE. But that doesn't account for Maxey being further along in his development right guys? Nope.

So IQ played more minutes than Maxey his rookie season 19.4 compared to 15.3 for Maxey... And guess what? IQ scored more points 11.4 for IQ while Maxey scored 8. It's almost like if u play more minutes u get better production... Crazy concept I know


How about we just shelve this discussion until next season bc it's getting ridiculous how many ppl wanna appoint Maxey and throw IQ to the sharks when the have similar numbers....

IQ played more minutes this season than his rookie year and his points, field goal, 3pt and free throw percentages actually all went down

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Let's say Quickley becomes better than Maxey... look, I can dream, can't I?

Kentucky guards stay being underrated though. Hmmm. Hard look at TyTy?

Better than Maxey at what? Being a PG without having 2 MVPs and a loaded team to pass to, with 30 percent less minutes? He already is.

Maxey averaged 24ppg, 5apg, 4rpg on 51% shooting in 14 games without Embiid/Harden this season, your posts are peak blind homerism