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Post#1561 » by The Lamma » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:10 pm

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:lol: My favorite was the way he pronounced Balkman.

With Agbaji you'd have to get rid of Fournier because otherwise he'd be completely buried on the bench. Unless he outplays Grimes I reckon. I dunno, yeah it does seem like it wouldn't make any sense otherwise. Does seem like he will be a solid player though. He was draining threes like no ones business with all the money on the line in the tourney.

We all know what's gonna happen. They'll pick TyTy and at least 3 players picked after him will be studs


But why pick another PG when we have Burks? J/K.

But we do already have IQ and Deuce. So I don’t get picking TyTy. I think we should probably take a big instead.



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Post#1562 » by KnicksGadfly » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:13 pm

Scott Perry looks like a genius now that Kevin Knox is getting meaningful 4th quarter playoff minutes with the Hawks
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Post#1563 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:16 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:Scott Perry looks like a genius now that Kevin Knox is getting meaningful 4th quarter playoff minutes with the Hawks

He is? Oh for crying out loud.

Edit: Knox didn’t even play against the Cavs
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Post#1564 » by The Lamma » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:21 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:Scott Perry looks like a genius now that Kevin Knox is getting meaningful 4th quarter playoff minutes with the Hawks


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Post#1565 » by WargamesX » Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:52 am

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KnicksGadfly wrote:Scott Perry looks like a genius now that Kevin Knox is getting meaningful 4th quarter playoff minutes with the Hawks

He is? Oh for crying out loud.

Edit: Knox didn’t even play against the Cavs


He was a human white flag during today’s game. :lol:
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Post#1566 » by KnicksGadfly » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:12 am

WargamesX wrote:
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KnicksGadfly wrote:Scott Perry looks like a genius now that Kevin Knox is getting meaningful 4th quarter playoff minutes with the Hawks

He is? Oh for crying out loud.

Edit: Knox didn’t even play against the Cavs


He was a human white flag during today’s game. :lol:


Wingo got his hopes up there for a bit though!
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Post#1567 » by FrozenEnvelope » Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:39 pm

11th pick has some good history - SGA, Sabonis, Klay.
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Post#1569 » by moocow007 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:52 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:11th pick has some good history - SGA, Sabonis, Klay.


Yeah there's been some real good ones. The best all time probably was Knick killer Reggie Miller back in 1987. Former Knick Alan Houston was also an 11th overall pick in 1993. Another couple of shooters in JJ Reddick and Nick Anderson had nice long careers. A rugged PF in Tyrone Hill (even though he was always Oak's bitch lol). An all around wing in Bonzi Wells who was honestly underrated by a lot of people just because he was supposed to be the next great player and didn't live up to that lofty expectation. Myles Turner and Kevin Willis were also drafted 11th and both ended up being terrific starting caliber C's for their teams.Of course there's also been some serious duds at 11 but in general it's been surprisingly solid a slot to be picking in.
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Post#1570 » by WargamesX » Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:57 pm

moocow007 wrote:
FrozenEnvelope wrote:11th pick has some good history - SGA, Sabonis, Klay.


Yeah there's been some real good ones. The best all time probably was Knick killer Reggie Miller back in 1987. Former Knick Alan Houston was also an 11th overall pick in 1993. Another couple of shooters in JJ Reddick and Nick Anderson had nice long careers. A rugged PF in Tyrone Hill (even though he was always Oak's bitch lol). An all around wing in Bonzi Wells who was honestly underrated by a lot of people just because he was supposed to be the next great player and didn't live up to that lofty expectation. Myles Turner and Kevin Willis were also drafted 11th and both ended up being terrific starting caliber C's for their teams.Of course there's also been some serious duds at 11 but in general it's been surprisingly solid a slot to be picking in.

This made me feel a lot better about this draft. Also looking at most mocks there should be some interesting guys left on the board at #11
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Post#1571 » by DaGawd » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:29 pm

Still waiting for 12th pick facts since we could drop
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Post#1572 » by moocow007 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:09 pm

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FrozenEnvelope wrote:11th pick has some good history - SGA, Sabonis, Klay.


Yeah there's been some real good ones. The best all time probably was Knick killer Reggie Miller back in 1987. Former Knick Alan Houston was also an 11th overall pick in 1993. Another couple of shooters in JJ Reddick and Nick Anderson had nice long careers. A rugged PF in Tyrone Hill (even though he was always Oak's bitch lol). An all around wing in Bonzi Wells who was honestly underrated by a lot of people just because he was supposed to be the next great player and didn't live up to that lofty expectation. Myles Turner and Kevin Willis were also drafted 11th and both ended up being terrific starting caliber C's for their teams.Of course there's also been some serious duds at 11 but in general it's been surprisingly solid a slot to be picking in.

This made me feel a lot better about this draft. Also looking at most mocks there should be some interesting guys left on the board at #11


Yeah I'm really hoping that both Griffin and Davis go in the top 10 as some mocks are projecting. That way at least one of the guys among Benedict Mathurin, Dyson Daniels or Jeremy Sochan can fall to us. Mathurin is the one of the three that I would like most and there's actually a few mocks that have him available at 11. But even if the Knicks end up with Davis or Griffin that could also be fine. This is a solid draft in the top 12 IMO.
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Post#1573 » by WargamesX » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:02 pm

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Yeah there's been some real good ones. The best all time probably was Knick killer Reggie Miller back in 1987. Former Knick Alan Houston was also an 11th overall pick in 1993. Another couple of shooters in JJ Reddick and Nick Anderson had nice long careers. A rugged PF in Tyrone Hill (even though he was always Oak's bitch lol). An all around wing in Bonzi Wells who was honestly underrated by a lot of people just because he was supposed to be the next great player and didn't live up to that lofty expectation. Myles Turner and Kevin Willis were also drafted 11th and both ended up being terrific starting caliber C's for their teams.Of course there's also been some serious duds at 11 but in general it's been surprisingly solid a slot to be picking in.

This made me feel a lot better about this draft. Also looking at most mocks there should be some interesting guys left on the board at #11


Yeah I'm really hoping that both Griffin and Davis go in the top 10 as some mocks are projecting. That way at least one of the guys among Benedict Mathurin, Dyson Daniels or Jeremy Sochan can fall to us. Mathurin is the one of the three that I would like most and there's actually a few mocks that have him available at 11. But even if the Knicks end up with Davis or Griffin that could also be fine. This is a solid draft in the top 12 IMO.


It also helps that no team is picking twice before the Knicks pick. That was my main concern with a team double dipping and just messing up the draft board after them.
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Post#1574 » by WargamesX » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:38 pm



I like this kid. Nothing jumps off but I keep thinking late career Artest when I watch his game. Which isn’t a bad thing at all because he might be able to work into prime Artest if he gets developed right.
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Post#1575 » by Zenzibar » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:42 pm

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I like this kid. Nothing jumps off but I keep thinking late career Artest when I watch his game. Which isn’t a bad thing at all because he might be able to work into prime Artest if he gets developed right.


I like this kid ALOT.

Kindly join me in the Jeremy Sochan express.
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Post#1576 » by cgmw » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:45 pm

WargamesX wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
FrozenEnvelope wrote:11th pick has some good history - SGA, Sabonis, Klay.


Yeah there's been some real good ones. The best all time probably was Knick killer Reggie Miller back in 1987. Former Knick Alan Houston was also an 11th overall pick in 1993. Another couple of shooters in JJ Reddick and Nick Anderson had nice long careers. A rugged PF in Tyrone Hill (even though he was always Oak's bitch lol). An all around wing in Bonzi Wells who was honestly underrated by a lot of people just because he was supposed to be the next great player and didn't live up to that lofty expectation. Myles Turner and Kevin Willis were also drafted 11th and both ended up being terrific starting caliber C's for their teams.Of course there's also been some serious duds at 11 but in general it's been surprisingly solid a slot to be picking in.

This made me feel a lot better about this draft. Also looking at most mocks there should be some interesting guys left on the board at #11

Idk how many years the message-board hero draftnicks have to watch the Knicks punt until they realize the cold hard truth, but:

The Knicks would have benched or otherwise stunted the development of SGA, Sabonis, Klay, and pretty much any player drafted in the 10-15 range. They would have been busts or shipped out to blossom elsewhere.

There are exactly two ways a Knick rookie makes an impact, especially with Thibs:

1) He’s a marketing hero like RJ; or
2) He immediately beats out veterans to become a better player in Year 1 than a handful of coach favorite vets with 7+ years experience.

TL; DR: The Knicks 11 pick is a total waste of time and energy. You have a better chance of being eaten by a shark while being struck by lightning than the Knicks finding the next superstar or even impact All Star at pick 11-12.
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Post#1577 » by WargamesX » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:05 pm

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WargamesX wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Yeah there's been some real good ones. The best all time probably was Knick killer Reggie Miller back in 1987. Former Knick Alan Houston was also an 11th overall pick in 1993. Another couple of shooters in JJ Reddick and Nick Anderson had nice long careers. A rugged PF in Tyrone Hill (even though he was always Oak's bitch lol). An all around wing in Bonzi Wells who was honestly underrated by a lot of people just because he was supposed to be the next great player and didn't live up to that lofty expectation. Myles Turner and Kevin Willis were also drafted 11th and both ended up being terrific starting caliber C's for their teams.Of course there's also been some serious duds at 11 but in general it's been surprisingly solid a slot to be picking in.

This made me feel a lot better about this draft. Also looking at most mocks there should be some interesting guys left on the board at #11

Idk how many years the message-board hero draftnicks have to watch the Knicks punt until they realize the cold hard truth, but:

The Knicks would have benched or otherwise stunted the development of SGA, Sabonis, Klay, and pretty much any player drafted in the 10-15 range. They would have been busts or shipped out to blossom elsewhere.

There are exactly two ways a Knick rookie makes an impact, especially with Thibs:

1) He’s a marketing hero like RJ; or
2) He immediately beats out veterans to become a better player in Year 1 than a handful of coach favorite vets with 7+ years experience.

TL; DR: The Knicks 11 pick is a total waste of time and energy. You have a better chance of being eaten by a shark while being struck by lightning than the Knicks finding the next superstar or even impact All Star at pick 11-12.


I hear you, and you are right the Knicks are due for something stupid….. just got to hope they don’t. The worst thing this current FO did was think they had lightning in a bottle and didn’t realize the vets they resigned were focused on their contract year. It wasn’t all their fault between injuries and Thibs deciding Burks is a PG in his 10th season.
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Post#1578 » by Capn'O » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:11 pm

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With Agbaji you'd have to get rid of Fournier because otherwise he'd be completely buried on the bench. Unless he outplays Grimes I reckon. I dunno, yeah it does seem like it wouldn't make any sense otherwise. Does seem like he will be a solid player though. He was draining threes like no ones business with all the money on the line in the tourney.

We all know what's gonna happen. They'll pick TyTy and at least 3 players picked after him will be studs


But why pick another PG when we have Burks? J/K.

But we do already have IQ and Deuce. So I don’t get picking TyTy. I think we should probably take a big instead.



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Post#1579 » by moocow007 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:16 pm

cgmw wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Yeah there's been some real good ones. The best all time probably was Knick killer Reggie Miller back in 1987. Former Knick Alan Houston was also an 11th overall pick in 1993. Another couple of shooters in JJ Reddick and Nick Anderson had nice long careers. A rugged PF in Tyrone Hill (even though he was always Oak's bitch lol). An all around wing in Bonzi Wells who was honestly underrated by a lot of people just because he was supposed to be the next great player and didn't live up to that lofty expectation. Myles Turner and Kevin Willis were also drafted 11th and both ended up being terrific starting caliber C's for their teams.Of course there's also been some serious duds at 11 but in general it's been surprisingly solid a slot to be picking in.

This made me feel a lot better about this draft. Also looking at most mocks there should be some interesting guys left on the board at #11

Idk how many years the message-board hero draftnicks have to watch the Knicks punt until they realize the cold hard truth, but:

The Knicks would have benched or otherwise stunted the development of SGA, Sabonis, Klay, and pretty much any player drafted in the 10-15 range. They would have been busts or shipped out to blossom elsewhere.

There are exactly two ways a Knick rookie makes an impact, especially with Thibs:

1) He’s a marketing hero like RJ; or
2) He immediately beats out veterans to become a better player in Year 1 than a handful of coach favorite vets with 7+ years experience.

TL; DR: The Knicks 11 pick is a total waste of time and energy. You have a better chance of being eaten by a shark while being struck by lightning than the Knicks finding the next superstar or even impact All Star at pick 11-12.


That's why most of my fire has been directed at the FO. You cannot blame Thibs for being Thibs. If you hire Thibs you are hiring him cause you want exactly has happened. Same with guys like Randle. If you cannot build a team where you don't have to rely on Randle then you cannot be surprised when the coach relies on Randle. It all starts with the FO. If they move all (most) of the vet role players that they should have never resigned in the first place then it is a whole lot likely that, by default, Thibs will play the most competitive and competent young players.
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Post#1580 » by SkyMason21 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:01 pm

WargamesX wrote:

I like this kid. Nothing jumps off but I keep thinking late career Artest when I watch his game. Which isn’t a bad thing at all because he might be able to work into prime Artest if he gets developed right.


I just really hope he can become a passable jump shooter. Switchable big wing(who might be able to play some 5) with the skills to rebound and push would be wonderful, and hopefully help answer our issues against small lineups.

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