Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[K_chile22]

Is Brunson worth a max? Or close to?

no. he was great tonight, but he's not a max player. But the only question remaining for him to answer was the playoffs having missed one series and played poorly in the other. He's answering that. And he is going to get paid. And it sure better be by Dallas.

What about Maxi

[Scoot McGroot]

Is Brunson worth a max? Or close to?

no. he was great tonight, but he's not a max player. But the only question remaining for him to answer was the playoffs having missed one series and played poorly in the other. He's answering that. And he is going to get paid. And it sure better be by Dallas.

Well he looks as good as Brogdon was on Bucks before he left but more reliable injury-wise. I think that contract for Brogdon was a good one still and it was 20% of cap from memory. Brunson at 25% of cap wouldn't be crazy. 20% minimum seems right.

Brogdon signed with Indy for $20m in his first year, when the salary cap was $109m, so 18.3% of the cap.

[zimpy27]

no. he was great tonight, but he's not a max player. But the only question remaining for him to answer was the playoffs having missed one series and played poorly in the other. He's answering that. And he is going to get paid. And it sure better be by Dallas.

Well he looks as good as Brogdon was on Bucks before he left but more reliable injury-wise. I think that contract for Brogdon was a good one still and it was 20% of cap from memory. Brunson at 25% of cap wouldn't be crazy. 20% minimum seems right.

Brogdon signed with Indy for $20m in his first year, when the salary cap was $109m, so 18.3% of the cap.

So based on that I'd be giving Brunson $104m/4 years or Dallas could offer $130m/5 years.

I'm guessing Dallas try to add their FRP to Bertans or THJ or both this season to move him into cap space. Maybe they get creative with the J-Rich TPE to extend it.

[K_chile22]

Well he looks as good as Brogdon was on Bucks before he left but more reliable injury-wise. I think that contract for Brogdon was a good one still and it was 20% of cap from memory. Brunson at 25% of cap wouldn't be crazy. 20% minimum seems right.

Brogdon signed with Indy for $20m in his first year, when the salary cap was $109m, so 18.3% of the cap.

So based on that I'd be giving Brunson $100m/4 years or $125m/5 years.

I'm guessing Dallas try to add their FRP to Bertans or THJ or both this season to move him into cap space. Maybe they get creative with the J-Rich TPE to extend it.

Huh? They have full bird rights

[babyjax13]

Brogdon signed with Indy for $20m in his first year, when the salary cap was $109m, so 18.3% of the cap.

So based on that I'd be giving Brunson $100m/4 years or $125m/5 years.

I'm guessing Dallas try to add their FRP to Bertans or THJ or both this season to move him into cap space. Maybe they get creative with the J-Rich TPE to extend it.

Huh? They have full bird rights

I imagine tax is the issue. They really aren't good enough to dip into repeater territory just to keep their current compliment of non-Luka players.

[K_chile22]

If they do bow out sadly again I think they gotta try to get off Conley's deal. Taken a step back and he and Mitchell just cannot coexist defensively. Not sure who would take him. Lakers for Russ then try to use Russ as expiring filler with distant firsts (just like the Lakers have been trying to do)?


Edit: I just looked it up and Mitchell has a 6'10 wingspan apparently???? Sure doesn't look like it. Must retract like a turtle on every ball screen

[zimpy27]

If they do bow out sadly again I think they gotta try to get off Conley's deal. Taken a step back and he and Mitchell just cannot coexist defensively. Not sure who would take him. Lakers for Russ then try to use Russ as expiring filler with distant firsts (just like the Lakers have been trying to do)?

Yeah Lakers and COnley are a great fit but again, injury-prone players seems to be an issue for them.

[K_chile22]

If they do bow out sadly again I think they gotta try to get off Conley's deal. Taken a step back and he and Mitchell just cannot coexist defensively. Not sure who would take him. Lakers for Russ then try to use Russ as expiring filler with distant firsts (just like the Lakers have been trying to do)?

Yeah Lakers and COnley are a great fit but again, injury-prone players seems to be an issue for them.

Beggars can't be choosers

[zimpy27]

If they do bow out sadly again I think they gotta try to get off Conley's deal. Taken a step back and he and Mitchell just cannot coexist defensively. Not sure who would take him. Lakers for Russ then try to use Russ as expiring filler with distant firsts (just like the Lakers have been trying to do)?

Yeah Lakers and COnley are a great fit but again, injury-prone players seems to be an issue for them.

Beggars can't be choosers

That aren't beggars though and they will make their choice

[HornetJail]

If they do bow out sadly again I think they gotta try to get off Conley's deal. Taken a step back and he and Mitchell just cannot coexist defensively. Not sure who would take him. Lakers for Russ then try to use Russ as expiring filler with distant firsts (just like the Lakers have been trying to do)?

Yeah Lakers and COnley are a great fit but again, injury-prone players seems to be an issue for them.

well i'm not sure what they're expecting when the team's only trade pieces are a $47M expiring contract and two picks that teams have to wait 5 and 7 years to make... Eventually they will realize that their assets can't fetch what they're hoping for.

[K_chile22]

Yeah Lakers and COnley are a great fit but again, injury-prone players seems to be an issue for them.

Beggars can't be choosers

That aren't beggars though and they will make their choice

All the negative leaks about Russ since the season started going down hill would seem to say otherwise. He's been getting laid into by all Lakers reporters. Pretty sure it's not Russ side putting that out!

[zimpy27]

If they do bow out sadly again I think they gotta try to get off Conley's deal. Taken a step back and he and Mitchell just cannot coexist defensively. Not sure who would take him. Lakers for Russ then try to use Russ as expiring filler with distant firsts (just like the Lakers have been trying to do)?

Yeah Lakers and COnley are a great fit but again, injury-prone players seems to be an issue for them.

well i'm not sure what they're expecting when the team's only trade pieces are a $47M expiring contract and two picks that teams have to wait 5 and 7 years to make... Eventually they will realize that their assets can't fetch what they're hoping for.

I mean they may not expect that much, they just have standards of what they want. Perhaps they learned that LeBron/Davis with a bunch of role players earning under NTMLE is a better strategy than 1 or 2 players earning 20m+ that have a decent chance of being useless.

[Devilanche]

Yeah Lakers and COnley are a great fit but again, injury-prone players seems to be an issue for them.

well i'm not sure what they're expecting when the team's only trade pieces are a $47M expiring contract and two picks that teams have to wait 5 and 7 years to make... Eventually they will realize that their assets can't fetch what they're hoping for.

I mean they may not expect that much, they just have standards of what they want. Perhaps they learned that LeBron/Davis with a bunch of role players earning under NTMLE is a better strategy than 1 or 2 players earning 20m+ that have a decent chance of being useless.

Which team have a lot of 8-12m contract that’s long term that they want to aggregate into an expiring 47m contract ? (And hope he’s open to a buyout)

[Texas Chuck]

So based on that I'd be giving Brunson $100m/4 years or $125m/5 years.

I'm guessing Dallas try to add their FRP to Bertans or THJ or both this season to move him into cap space. Maybe they get creative with the J-Rich TPE to extend it.

Huh? They have full bird rights

I imagine tax is the issue. They really aren't good enough to dip into repeater territory just to keep their current compliment of non-Luka players.

Dallas has over $30M falling off the books in the summer of 23. So you could pay Brunson, then duck back under the tax in a year avoiding the repeater clock if you think the team still doesn't warrant the expense. I don't think you let Brunson walk or start using assets to dump big contracts over repeater taxes this off-season. Those moves can be made in a year as needed, plus a year falls off those long-term deals making them cheaper to move.

[Texas Chuck]

Is Brunson worth a max? Or close to?

no. he was great tonight, but he's not a max player. But the only question remaining for him to answer was the playoffs having missed one series and played poorly in the other. He's answering that. And he is going to get paid. And it sure better be by Dallas.

What about Maxi

The SuperMaxi obviously.

You guys know I'm a huge Maxi stan, but man did last night feel so great for a guy who cares so much and couldn't throw it in the ocean for 2 months. Joke on Mavs twitter was Maxi gave up 3's for Lent.....

[Scoot McGroot]

Huh? They have full bird rights

I imagine tax is the issue. They really aren't good enough to dip into repeater territory just to keep their current compliment of non-Luka players.

Dallas has over $30M falling off the books in the summer of 23. So you could pay Brunson, then duck back under the tax in a year avoiding the repeater clock if you think the team still doesn't warrant the expense. I don't think you let Brunson walk or start using assets to dump big contracts over repeater taxes this off-season. Those moves can be made in a year as needed, plus a year falls off those long-term deals making them cheaper to move.

Agreed that you shouldn’t be cutting costs on the key young guys in terms of roster building.

I imagine this is why Dallas dealt Porzingis, in the belief that it’d be easier to cut some costs of two smaller contracts than one huge one? It’ll still cost something, but should hopefully be more affordable than it would have been.

[Texas Chuck]

I imagine this is why Dallas dealt Porzingis, in the belief that it’d be easier to cut some costs of two smaller contracts than one huge one? It’ll still cost something, but should hopefully be more affordable than it would have been.

I think without question this was part of the motivation. And if they can retain Brunson, it wouldn't stun me to see them try and move Dinwiddie this off-season. Not sure they are ready to attach the necessary assets to dump Bertans(or THJ) just yet. And that would be frustrating as a fan even as I understand it would make financial sense and not hurt the team too much. I just think because ducking the tax in a year is much easier if they don't think the team supports paying tax again, that Dallas makes smaller cost-cutting moves this off-season(moves the B's, maybe doesn't use the TMLE) than attaching yet another first just to dump an overpaid player.

[daoneandonly]

I imagine this is why Dallas dealt Porzingis, in the belief that it’d be easier to cut some costs of two smaller contracts than one huge one? It’ll still cost something, but should hopefully be more affordable than it would have been.

I think without question this was part of the motivation. And if they can retain Brunson, it wouldn't stun me to see them try and move Dinwiddie this off-season. Not sure they are ready to attach the necessary assets to dump Bertans(or THJ) just yet. And that would be frustrating as a fan even as I understand it would make financial sense and not hurt the team too much. I just think because ducking the tax in a year is much easier if they don't think the team supports paying tax again, that Dallas makes smaller cost-cutting moves this off-season(moves the B's, maybe doesn't use the TMLE) than attaching yet another first just to dump an overpaid player.

Agree on all fronts, though when we use firsts we have on guys like Josh Green while passing on far superior players, it can also go the other way

[eminence]

With Graham falling most of the way out of the Pelicans rotation what's the current value on him?

How far off is this?

Graham/Nance? for Clarkson/Gay

*Only really makes sense for the Jazz if they're moving 1 of Conley/Mitchell in another deal and they need someone with some more PG skills.

[MoneyTalks41890]

With Graham falling most of the way out of the Pelicans rotation what's the current value on him?

How far off is this?

Graham/Nance for Clarkson/Gay

*Only really makes sense for the Jazz if they're moving 1 of Conley/Mitchell in another deal and they need someone with some more PG skills.

I'm not sure I like it for either team, but I have Graham and Clarkson pretty close value-wise. Both are having bad years after previously showing better play. Nance has been instrumental for NOP I don't think they move him in something like this.