Does Dallas Have Any Chance to Keep Brunson?

[Swish1906]

Jalen has played 2 good games against the Jazz. Does that alone get him paid?
Jazz's perimeter defense is weak, a lot of perimeter players are able to exploit it.

Take a look at how Jalen was ineffective against the clippers in last year's playoffs for 5 out of the 7 games.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01/gamelog-playoffs/
I think the real calibration of Jalen's abilities is taking the average of the 2 series; which is to say he'll give you 15 points a game on decent efficiency.

How about a better and bigger sample size. The 17 games not even includes the 41p game:

Jalen Brunson averaged 20.4 points, 7.5 assists and 3.9 rebounds in 17 games without Luka Doncic this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jalen-brunson-stats-without-luka-doncic-this-season

[Swish1906]

Pistons want to pair him in the backcourt with Cade. They called and asked about trading for him at the deadline, but Dallas pretty much said "sure we like Cade" and that was the end of that.

I previously expected Weaver to come in and offer 4 years and $80+ million but now think it might take closer to $100 million to make it happen.

Maybe Detroit works a Kelly Olynyk for Tim Hardaway Jr trade and lets Dallas keep their guy instead of offering Brunson a huge deal.

Yup. Dallas is going to have to do some major book work to keep him, as I expect Weaver to come in with a huge offer. Pairing a budding star like Cade with Brunson in the backcourt is highly appealing, especially with a top pick coming in again this year, and if it's top three, the Pistons could be real good, real fast. Good selling point to Brunson, as well as a massive bag.

The sharks are gonna be circling for sure.

I really dont want to bash the Pistons but the roster isnt really a selling point for him to leave his starting spot in Dallas...to be the Nr. 2 in the backcourt in Detroit, which had one season above 0.500 in the past 14 years. I dont think Grants reputation around the league is big when he went touches over winning.

Mavs also have the advantage of no state income tax. I dont see him leaving even if the Pistons offer 10m more

[styLesdavis]

Jalen already said that he prefers to stay in Dallas - but NOT on a discount.
The thread is a bit hilarious. Does Dallas have any Chance? Yeah. Right now they simply have the
best of chance of keeping Brunson. Its just that its not anywhere near 100%.

[SelfishPlayer]

He's probably going to get as much, if not more, than VanVleet, who I think got 4 yr/85 mil. and Brunson is the more efficient player between the two.

Does efficiency include level of competition a player competes against? FVV competes mostly against starters. Bringing has been a backup competing against reserves.

[Mavrelous]

He's probably going to get as much, if not more, than VanVleet, who I think got 4 yr/85 mil. and Brunson is the more efficient player between the two.

Does efficiency include level of competition a player competes against? FVV competes mostly against starters. Bringing has been a backup competing against reserves.

Brunson is also a starter, he's just 2nd lead guard, just like FVV was next to Lowry

[SelfishPlayer]

He's probably going to get as much, if not more, than VanVleet, who I think got 4 yr/85 mil. and Brunson is the more efficient player between the two.

Does efficiency include level of competition a player competes against? FVV competes mostly against starters. Bringing has been a backup competing against reserves.

Brunson is also a starter, he's just 2nd lead guard, just like FVV was next to Lowry

He started 61 of 79 games played meaning some games he played against a larger amount of backups than an actual full time starter like FVV.

[Mavrelous]

Does efficiency include level of competition a player competes against? FVV competes mostly against starters. Bringing has been a backup competing against reserves.

Brunson is also a starter, he's just 2nd lead guard, just like FVV was next to Lowry

He started 61 of 79 games played meaning some games he played against a larger amount of backups than an actual full time starter like FVV.

He has much better numbers as a starter than as a backup...

[Bologna Smasher]

As long as they're willing to give him the money. Can pretty much guarantee some young rebuilding team will be more than willing to throw whatever amount the Mavs don't want to pay at him.

[zeebneeb]

Does efficiency include level of competition a player competes against? FVV competes mostly against starters. Bringing has been a backup competing against reserves.

Brunson is also a starter, he's just 2nd lead guard, just like FVV was next to Lowry

He started 61 of 79 games played meaning some games he played against a larger amount of backups than an actual full time starter like FVV.

I don't care if he played in the g-league this year. So far in the playoffs he's averaging;

32/7/5

When it matters.

[CobraCommander]

I don’t think Dallas is really close to being a serious contender but you have to keep Brunson

As long as they have Luka, they are one move away. Not a fantasy move either. Just can't let Brunson walk for nothing. At worse, you sign and trade him to a team of his choice.

Agreed on all counts....you can’t both have a generational talent that can win a playoff game without that generational talent and ALSO not be at least a more or so away from contention....contenders don’t always win titles but they do contend for titles

[SelfishPlayer]

Brunson is also a starter, he's just 2nd lead guard, just like FVV was next to Lowry

He started 61 of 79 games played meaning some games he played against a larger amount of backups than an actual full time starter like FVV.

I don't care if he played in the g-league this year. So far in the playoffs he's averaging;

32/7/5

When it matters.

He should have been a starter a couple seasons back. I think Dallas intentionally tried to deminish his value at the contract negotiation table. That's why early this season reports were released about how much money he will expect, preparing the world for what he knew he was worth. Now that number is going up significantly. He's a true NBA starter that has been held back by Dallas keeping him on the bench.

[MotownMadness]

Pistons want to pair him in the backcourt with Cade. They called and asked about trading for him at the deadline, but Dallas pretty much said "sure we like Cade" and that was the end of that.

I previously expected Weaver to come in and offer 4 years and $80+ million but now think it might take closer to $100 million to make it happen.

Maybe Detroit works a Kelly Olynyk for Tim Hardaway Jr trade and lets Dallas keep their guy instead of offering Brunson a huge deal.

Yup. Dallas is going to have to do some major book work to keep him, as I expect Weaver to come in with a huge offer. Pairing a budding star like Cade with Brunson in the backcourt is highly appealing, especially with a top pick coming in again this year, and if it's top three, the Pistons could be real good, real fast. Good selling point to Brunson, as well as a massive bag.

The sharks are gonna be circling for sure.

I really dont want to bash the Pistons but the roster isnt really a selling point for him to leave his starting spot in Dallas...to be the Nr. 2 in the backcourt in Detroit, which had one season above 0.500 in the past 14 years. I dont think Grants reputation around the league is big when he went touches over winning.

Mavs also have the advantage of no state income tax. I dont see him leaving even if the Pistons offer 10m more

He'll take the money seeing as he should be able to play himself into one more good contract after this one at his age.

Players do seem to like our FO and possibly Casey. Which is funny cause the owner is a strange one but seems to build healthy relationships with his players.

Plus they're gonna be ready to gear towards trying to win starting next season more than likely.

[zeebneeb]

He started 61 of 79 games played meaning some games he played against a larger amount of backups than an actual full time starter like FVV.

I don't care if he played in the g-league this year. So far in the playoffs he's averaging;

32/7/5

When it matters.

He should have been a starter a couple seasons back. I think Dallas intentionally tried to deminish his value at the contract negotiation table. That's why early this season reports were released about how much money he will expect, preparing the world for what he knew he was worth. Now that number is going up significantly. He's a true NBA starter that has been held back by Dallas keeping him on the bench.

So what your saying is that he now has a grudge against the Mavs...

*rubs hands together*

[SelfishPlayer]

I don't care if he played in the g-league this year. So far in the playoffs he's averaging;

32/7/5

When it matters.

He should have been a starter a couple seasons back. I think Dallas intentionally tried to deminish his value at the contract negotiation table. That's why early this season reports were released about how much money he will expect, preparing the world for what he knew he was worth. Now that number is going up significantly. He's a true NBA starter that has been held back by Dallas keeping him on the bench.

So what your saying is that he now has a grudge against the Mavs...

*rubs hands together*

I think that was the case for a while, but it's a professional/business sort, he'll certainly take the money to stay in Dallas. But what this has created is a scenario where he may be able to get paid more by another team, somewhere under the max and more than what Dallas is willing to pay him. This is a Joe Johnson leaving Phoenix and Harden leaving OKC all over again.

[celticfan42487]

Hmm, from what I can find the teams with capspace will be:

Magic
Pistons
Pacers
Spurs
Blazers

Of those teams Blazers, Spurs, Pacers, Pistons already surely have the PG position locked up.

Would he goto the Magic? Maybe so he can prove how far he can go as the starting PG on a team. He'd probably instantly be their #1 option.

Magic has only Suggs, Cole, and Fultz in the PG spot.

So one guy who had a bad rookie season and two backup level PGs

[timO]

Brunson is a certified nba star. Mavs should do whatever they can to keep him.

16-4-5

[Texas Chuck]

Problem is, Mavs have 151 mil on the books for next year b/c Luka's extension kicks in.

Cuban hasn't paid tax since the championship team. Not a single time. And he has assured the fanbase he would again when he has a team that warrants it. Well he has one now.

And the Mavs have some places to trim payroll without it costing too much in assets. Boban, Burke, and Brown all make $3M plus next year. None of them have been in the rotation in months. So cash/2nds and dump them. Saves $4-5M if you replace them with min contract guys. If you pay Brunson, you probably try and unload Dinwiddie on one of those PG needy teams who didn't get Brunson and try and save some salary there. Then Powell and Kleber have over $20M coming off the books the next year.

You bite the bullet and pay tax next year, knowing you can duck it in 23/24 if you really want to.

But Cuban can afford the tax bills for next year.

Do they, though?

If the criteria is championship contenders only then I can't say this roster would hit that mark.

They are drafting 26th. They have a player just outside the MVP conversation who played as well as anyone in the league since Jan 1st. Are they as good as the Suns or the Bucks? Nope. But if you can't spend to give this team a chance then you need to sell the team and let someone else do it.

[matt6715]

Mavs are in tax hell and Cuban has been a sneaky cheapskate for the better half of the last decade. Maybe he's been saving that dough to pump into a luxury tax team with Luka's extension kicking in.

Brunson might leave because he wants/gets a bigger role but if that isn't the end goal I think Mavs will do what they need to in order to keep him. Looking at point guard salaries I think he will want more than the Brogdon/FVV tier ($22-$23M AAV) but won't get to max territory. 4/$110 is my guess (and yes that's an overpay but there's not much you can do about it). That'll put him around the D'angelo Russell/Kyle Lowry money.

No state income tax in Texas helps balance these things out too.

[leolozon]

Jalen Brunson has been an under the radar player, but with Luka down and Mavs needing someone to carry the water he is blossoming early in these playoffs.

Brunson drops 24-7-5 in a Game 1 loss. Turns around and drops 41-8-5 in a Game 2 win where he basically carries the team on his back.

Brunson is an UFA, but Mavericks have bird rights. Do the Mavericks have any chance to keep him? Will Brunson want to continue to live in Luka's shadow? What will he be worth to other teams?

I think Brunson is really good and they have to keep him, but you realize that he didn't have a good first game? He was 9/24 to get that 24pts.

He has 1 incredible game. He has to show that he can do it consistently.

[Apz]

Obviously we wantto keep him. But there is always a line. And brunson is among the most professional plahers. I actually think he wants to stay in mavs, not because of money, but because he want to become the best he can. And I think he knows he need to stay with luka for that. Look at brunsons game now compared to early. He pretty much molds his game after luka, look at the moves he keeps adding and how he moves in offense, its pretty much a worse luka. And he keeps adding it, he observes luka every practice, he even added that stepback 3 and the dirk shot.

I think he is looking around the league and see that he cant ho anywhere where he can avolve better then in mavs. But, he is like 25, if money is too different he must take the money.

I think he will stay, 80%, personally it depends what mavs can get in a snt for me. I personally would move him for some good young frontcourt player, say toppin, rui, washington or such. Seems easier to find a new 3rd guard then bigger guys for mavs