Bradley Beal - Part IV

[nate33]

Utah: Beal + Pick for D. Mitchell. Lateral drama-reduction trade for both teams. Utah builds around Rudy without taking a step back. Wiz get a very similar player who is a few years younger, but give up a decent pick to do it.

I'd love to see it happen. It's honestly the dream scenario right now.

I'd feel reasonably good about a young combo of Mitchell and Porzingis, surrounded by competent young role players like Avdija, Gafford and Kispert. Sprinkle in a few good vets like KCP, Sato and Gill and we're onto something. We can still focus the offense around Porzingis, which looks like it can work. Only we'd also have Mitchell as the dynamic shot creator the team needs when the offensive sets don't pan out. It's also nice to have one great iso scorer that you can use to exploit when the opposition has one uniquely bad individual defender on the floor.

The main hole to fill is power forward. We would somehow need Rui or Kuzma to pan out as the defensive-minded, weakside-rebounding, floor spacing PF the team needs to complement Porzingis. I don't know which of those guys is the most likely to morph his game to fill that need. Or if they would both need to be traded in the hopes of finding the right guy.

I'm not sure if Beal + #10 pick would get it done. But if we got into the top 5, it's a package that almost surely would be enough, unless Beal flat out refuses to resign in Utah.

[psman2]

With Harden in Philly, I don't think they're a good trade partner anymore. You may want to look at middle of the pack teams ready to make a splash. Very quick unvetted suggestions:

Minnesota: D. Russell + picks for Beal.

Atlanta: Bog + Gallinari + Picks works, but why would the Wizards want Gallinari? Bog + Collins would be amazing, but would Atlanta give up two of their best five players to upgrade at one position? They have Okongwu playing well so it's possible, but unlikely.

Utah: Beal + Pick for D. Mitchell. Lateral drama-reduction trade for both teams. Utah builds around Rudy without taking a step back. Wiz get a very similar player who is a few years younger, but give up a decent pick to do it.

Denver: Murray + Filler + Picks for Beal. Denver might be tempted to avoid wasting Jokic's prime. But the picks won't be particularly good and Murray is pretty average. I don't think there's enough here to get it done.

Clippers: Um.... OK there is a weird three way that has potential. Bear with me.
LAC trade Paul George to Philly.
Philly trades Tobias Harris to Washington.
Washington trades Beal + Rui to LAC.

That salary framework appears valid. I can see why both LAC and Philly would be interested, too. The question is how many picks, or what young players with potential, could both teams funnel to Washington to balance the deal? I think Philly has to throw in Maxey and pick swaps. Clippers cupboard is bare.

Philly, Atlanta, Utah, Denver, and Clippers are tax teams and would have to dump quite a bit of money to stay under the hard cap to do a SNT of Beal. I don't see any of those teams are realistic SNT options for Beal. Beal would have to opt in to be traded to those teams. I don't think Beal will opt in personally unless it is to land in a dream location? Too much injury and performance risk. Plus those teams are not going to give up the greatest of trade packages for a Beal on a one year deal.

Your SNT options for Beal are very likely going to be much smaller than think they are.

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Philly, Atlanta, Utah, Denver, and Clippers are tax teams and would have to dump quite a bit of money to stay under the hard cap to do a SNT of Beal. I don't see any of those teams are realistic SNT options for Beal. Beal would have to opt in to be traded to those teams. I don't think Beal will opt in personally unless it is to land in a dream location? Too much injury and performance risk. Plus those teams are not going to give up the greatest of trade packages for a Beal on a one year deal.

Your SNT options for Beal are very likely going to be much smaller than think they are.

Good point on the tax apron. A quick look at the numbers isn't that bad - with a 149m tax apron, most of the teams listed just need to move one expiring contract to free themselves to complete a Beal trade.

Unfortunately, it does mean that the optimal target (Utah) is almost surely off the table. The salaries just don't match up unless Beal signed for less money, which pretty much never happens.

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With Harden in Philly, I don't think they're a good trade partner anymore. You may want to look at middle of the pack teams ready to make a splash. Very quick unvetted suggestions:

Minnesota: D. Russell + picks for Beal.

Atlanta: Bog + Gallinari + Picks works, but why would the Wizards want Gallinari? Bog + Collins would be amazing, but would Atlanta give up two of their best five players to upgrade at one position? They have Okongwu playing well so it's possible, but unlikely.

Utah: Beal + Pick for D. Mitchell. Lateral drama-reduction trade for both teams. Utah builds around Rudy without taking a step back. Wiz get a very similar player who is a few years younger, but give up a decent pick to do it.

Denver: Murray + Filler + Picks for Beal. Denver might be tempted to avoid wasting Jokic's prime. But the picks won't be particularly good and Murray is pretty average. I don't think there's enough here to get it done.

Clippers: Um.... OK there is a weird three way that has potential. Bear with me.
LAC trade Paul George to Philly.
Philly trades Tobias Harris to Washington.
Washington trades Beal + Rui to LAC.

That salary framework appears valid. I can see why both LAC and Philly would be interested, too. The question is how many picks, or what young players with potential, could both teams funnel to Washington to balance the deal? I think Philly has to throw in Maxey and pick swaps. Clippers cupboard is bare.

If we don't jump to the top 4 in the lottery, I'd seriously contemplate Beal +10th pick for Mitchell who is locked in for 3 more years and much better than Beal IMHO.

I just don’t get Donovan Mitchell for us except for that he’s younger. Why trade in a headache we know for a new one. Mitchell just further extends the torture. I know some here are vehement about getting something back for Beal, which we should do if at all possible, but we shouldn’t make any move that will just give us a new flavor of the same problem. I’d rather just let him walk at that point, just admit to ourselves he is a sunk cost that we can’t recover, and move on.

[nate33]

I just don’t get Donovan Mitchell for us except for that he’s younger. Why trade in a headache we know for a new one. Mitchell just further extends the torture. I know some here are vehement about getting something back for Beal, which we should do if at all possible, but we shouldn’t make any move that will just give us a new flavor of the same problem. I’d rather just let him walk at that point, just admit to ourselves he is a sunk cost that we can’t recover, and move on.

What's not to get? He is better and younger. And he provides the on-ball shot creation that this team needs when the shot clock is winding down or the opposition plays effective switching defense. He is the same age as Porzingis so the two of them could conceivably form a pretty solid, synergistic duo for the next 5 years.

I think he's pretty much the best star caliber player available who is a fit both positionally and age-wise. Sure, I'd prefer to trade for Ja Morant, Giannis or Luka, but that's not happening.

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I just don’t get Donovan Mitchell for us except for that he’s younger. Why trade in a headache we know for a new one. Mitchell just further extends the torture. I know some here are vehement about getting something back for Beal, which we should do if at all possible, but we shouldn’t make any move that will just give us a new flavor of the same problem. I’d rather just let him walk at that point, just admit to ourselves he is a sunk cost that we can’t recover, and move on.

What's not to get? He is better and younger. And he provides the on-ball shot creation that this team needs when the shot clock is winding down or the opposition plays effective switching defense. He is the same age as Porzingis so the two of them could conceivably form a pretty solid, synergistic duo for the next 5 years.

I think he's pretty much the best star caliber player available who is a fit both positionally and age-wise. Sure, I'd prefer to trade for Ja Morant, Giannis or Luka, but that's not happening.

That said, zero chance that Mr Kamiah Adams wants to get traded to Utah. And even if Tommy wanted to, Ted will only trade Beal if he asks, and to a team of his choosing. There would have to be a 3rd team involved. Either hometown LA team. Miami. New York. Philly. Atlanta maybe. LA most of all though given that they have a house there already.

[nate33]

I just don’t get Donovan Mitchell for us except for that he’s younger. Why trade in a headache we know for a new one. Mitchell just further extends the torture. I know some here are vehement about getting something back for Beal, which we should do if at all possible, but we shouldn’t make any move that will just give us a new flavor of the same problem. I’d rather just let him walk at that point, just admit to ourselves he is a sunk cost that we can’t recover, and move on.

What's not to get? He is better and younger. And he provides the on-ball shot creation that this team needs when the shot clock is winding down or the opposition plays effective switching defense. He is the same age as Porzingis so the two of them could conceivably form a pretty solid, synergistic duo for the next 5 years.

I think he's pretty much the best star caliber player available who is a fit both positionally and age-wise. Sure, I'd prefer to trade for Ja Morant, Giannis or Luka, but that's not happening.

That said, zero chance that Mr Kamiah Adams wants to get traded to Utah. And even if Tommy wanted to, Ted will only trade Beal if he asks, and to a team of his choosing. There would have to be a 3rd team involved. Either hometown LA team. Miami. New York. Philly. Atlanta maybe. LA most of all though given that they have a house there already.

Yeah, I'd say there's at least a 15% chance that we end up trading Beal to the Lakers for Westbrook and picks. It'll have to happen after December 15th though.

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Denver fits for Beal, I think. It's not an armpit destination like Utah or Sacramento. Jokic is a top 5 player in the league. They have pick 21 this year plus Jamal Murray. The Tim Connelly connection.

Michael Porter is probably too risky but Jamal Murray and a first - that's probably a fair deal for a maxed out Beal. Maybe they throw in a second rounder or one of their recent second rounder picks. If Murray weren't hurt, there's probably no way we get him alone for Beal at $250 mil.

[Frichuela]

I just don’t get Donovan Mitchell for us except for that he’s younger. Why trade in a headache we know for a new one. Mitchell just further extends the torture. I know some here are vehement about getting something back for Beal, which we should do if at all possible, but we shouldn’t make any move that will just give us a new flavor of the same problem. I’d rather just let him walk at that point, just admit to ourselves he is a sunk cost that we can’t recover, and move on.

What's not to get? He is better and younger. And he provides the on-ball shot creation that this team needs when the shot clock is winding down or the opposition plays effective switching defense. He is the same age as Porzingis so the two of them could conceivably form a pretty solid, synergistic duo for the next 5 years.

I think he's pretty much the best star caliber player available who is a fit both positionally and age-wise. Sure, I'd prefer to trade for Ja Morant, Giannis or Luka, but that's not happening.

That said, zero chance that Mr Kamiah Adams wants to get traded to Utah. And even if Tommy wanted to, Ted will only trade Beal if he asks, and to a team of his choosing. There would have to be a 3rd team involved. Either hometown LA team. Miami. New York. Philly. Atlanta maybe. LA most of all though given that they have a house there already.

This is so true and it shows what a pathetic franchise we are…

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Wizards believe Beal's 2021-22 season was an anomaly

WASHINGTON -- For a player without his track record and history with his team, Bradley Beal's 2021-22 season could have been really bad timing. In what was essentially the final year of his contract, he had a down season and played the fewest games of his career by a good margin.

The Wizards, though, remain intent on re-signing him and seem to view his year as an aberration rather than the beginning of a decline or indicative of a larger trend. He only played in 40 games and saw his numbers drop from 31.3 points per game on 48.5% shooting and 34.9% from three in 2020-21 to 23.2 points per game on 45.1% from the field and 30% from three.

The passing of Beal's grandmother weighed on him well beyond his return to action on Nov. 17 and his second time in protocol came right when he was playing his best basketball of the season. Beal was averaging 27.4 points and shooting 49.6% from the field and 36.5% from three across 13 games when he left the lineup. He came back to post just 18.7 points on 42.4% shooting and 31.8% from three in six games before his season was ended due to wrist surgery.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/wizards-believe-bradley-beals-2021-22-season-was-anomaly-his-career?amp

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It was a weird year. Westbrook bumped Beal's production up. New teammates no doubt affected him some.

However, Beal is very much a known commodity. His Westbrook season will be the best until he goes to a team with a superstar. That, or if the Knicks or the Clippers or possibly the Hawks can utilize Bradley as their high usage 1st option.

I hope the Wizards move on from Beal.

It's time to try something different.

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this is the before picture.

The after picture is Beal being traded to Boston so he can play with his lifelong best buddy, Jayson Tatum.

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Harden for Beal. Kuzma and KCP for Westbrook. Sign Durant as a free agent. Scotty Brooks comes home. Gafford changes his name to Ibaka. Wiz change their name to the Washington Gimmicks, or whatever the Japanese word for gimmick is.

I'd honestly send Beal to Philly for Maxey and Thybulle and whatever salary makes up the gap, even if it's Tobias Harris. We could trade Kuzma and Harris would take that on that role.

[Jay81]

Why would Philly trade maxey for beal?

[FAH1223]

Why would Philly trade maxey for beal?

Embiid apparently wanted Beal at the deadline.

If you're the Wizards, you aren't going to just take Tobias Harris' contract back. You need Maxey.

[nate33]

Why would Philly trade maxey for beal?

Embiid apparently wanted Beal at the deadline.

If you're the Wizards, you aren't going to just take Tobias Harris' contract back. You need Maxey.

Agreed.

Beal for Harris + Maxey. Make it happen. To balance rosters, we can include a Kuzma for Korkmaz swap while they include their 2023 1st. So it's:

Washington trades: Beal, Kuzma
Philly trades: Maxey, Harris, Korkmaz 2023 1st.

Dyson Daniels would be the perfect complement to Maxey.

Our lineup of the future:
PG Daniels/Sato
SG Maxey/KCP
SF Kispert/Avdija
PF Harris/Hachimura
C Porzingis/Gafford

End of Bench: Gill, Korkmaz

[Dat2U]

Why would Philly trade maxey for beal?

Embiid apparently wanted Beal at the deadline.

If you're the Wizards, you aren't going to just take Tobias Harris' contract back. You need Maxey.

Right, folks suggesting we take Tobias Harris & filler for Beal have lost their damn minds. Why would the Wizards do that? They'd be better off letting Beal walk.

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...Beal to Philly for Maxey and Thybulle and whatever salary makes up the gap, even if it's Tobias Harris. We could trade Kuzma and Harris would take that on that role.

You could include Kuzma in the trade, & it would work: Beal/Kuzma for Harris/Maxey/Thybulle.

But... I don't think they'd make that trade. I doubt they see Beal as significantly superior overall to Harris. Plus, their roster would be too weird anyway.