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AleksandarN wrote:Hussien Fatal wrote:Jokic is the most overrated player in the league. He’s so overrated we had people making threads saying he’s a better defender than Embiid lol.
Links. I would love to see people saying he is a better defender. No one has claimed he is a elite defender. A lot said he improved defensively. No one to my knowledge said he was an elite defender
Crives wrote:It should be humiliating to Jokic MVP voters that the soon to be back to back league MVP is about to get embarrassingly swept two years in a row.
Winning matters. 48 win season should be automatic disqualification from the discussion.
ocelot17 wrote:I blame all the analytics nerds like Zach Lowe. Analytics have their place, but it shouldn’t be the end all be all.
I don’t care if the analytics say jokic should be the mvp. The eye test tell you giannis, luka are better players but also more deserving of the mvp.
AleksandarN wrote:Hussien Fatal wrote:Jokic is the most overrated player in the league. He’s so overrated we had people making threads saying he’s a better defender than Embiid lol.
Links. I would love to see people saying he is a better defender. No one has claimed he is a elite defender. A lot said he improved defensively. No one to my knowledge said he was an elite defender
Hobo4President wrote:ocelot17 wrote:I blame all the analytics nerds like Zach Lowe. Analytics have their place, but it shouldn’t be the end all be all.
I don’t care if the analytics say jokic should be the mvp. The eye test tell you giannis, luka are better players but also more deserving of the mvp.
My eye test says the opposite in regards to MVP. How do we resolve this now?
Hobo4President wrote:My eye test says the opposite in regards to MVP. How do we resolve this now?
amcoolio wrote:Yikes, instant karma for that Suns fan tonight
Crives wrote:DoctorX wrote:Should Jimmy Butler and Booker be the favorites for the MVP? This is silly. It's not always black and white when it comes to who gets the MVP. Jokic is playing with a bunch of G-league talent.
That’s the point. If you have a very mediocre team full of g- league talent, why should you get rewarded with the most prestigious regular season honor? MVP is not best player, it’s most valuable. If your not demonstrating your value with wins, how do we really know what happens when the supporting cast changes? We should not reward theoretical success, reward actual success (wins)
amcoolio wrote:Yikes, instant karma for that Suns fan tonight
LaLover11 wrote:I bet you $100 Mavs beat the Celtics
JayMKE wrote:People need to drop the “does the most with less”narrative and remember that RS efficiency stats don’t = wins in the playoffs.
We all know who the real MVP the last 2 years has been and its the same as the 2 before that, they don’t just like giving it to the best player tho for some reason.
NetsJets wrote:You can’t have it both ways. If we’re praising him for carrying a team then you can’t absolve him of blame for losing with that same team. We’re going to look back on his B2B MVP campaign very differently.
AleksandarN wrote:Hussien Fatal wrote:Jokic is the most overrated player in the league. He’s so overrated we had people making threads saying he’s a better defender than Embiid lol.
Links. I would love to see people saying he is a better defender. No one has claimed he is a elite defender. A lot said he improved defensively. No one to my knowledge said he was an elite defender
AussieCeltic wrote:amcoolio wrote:Yikes, instant karma for that Suns fan tonight
Can’t even beat a 36-46 team at home. Oof
JayMKE wrote:People need to drop the “does the most with less”narrative and remember that RS efficiency stats don’t = wins in the playoffs.
We all know who the real MVP the last 2 years has been and its the same as the 2 before that, they don’t just like giving it to the best player tho for some reason.
Cubbies2120 wrote:NetsJets wrote:You can’t have it both ways. If we’re praising him for carrying a team then you can’t absolve him of blame for losing with that same team. We’re going to look back on his B2B MVP campaign very differently.
You're right about the 2nd part. If they become contenders next year when healthy, we'll look back at it as "What if they were healthy during Jokic's ATG seasons..."
He's also had the misfortune of just running into the best team in the NBA or the best team in his conference (Lakers, Suns) and possibly another champion (Warriors) 3 straight seasons.
It's not like he's getting bounced by the Wolves (no disrespect Wolves fans).