Round 1, Game 2 EC Playoffs - Brooklyn(0) @ Boston(1)

[NetsJets]

Magic has spoken

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[MrDollarBills]

I don't like Nash. I think hes a bad coach.

But the insistence on blaming him for every problem is just getting to be idiotic.

Why does KD get a pass for the worst back to back games of his career in the playoffs?

The truth is if KD even had a below average game by his standards, we win both of these games.

He has been unable to make any shots. He is a turnover machine. And his defensive lapses are constant.

He looks nothing like the player he has all season.

I get that the Boston defense is bothering him. But this is nothing new for KD!!!! Hes been swarmed defensively before.

And its not like he doesn't have Kyrie out there who takes a lot of doubles and attention. Or spacing with Curry/Mills. A good rebounder in Drummond.

LeBron routinely dealt with this type of defense.

KD isn't meeting the moment and is doing incredible damage to his legacy as an all time player.

This is why he has to turn it around and win us Games 4 and 5. I think he will. I don't think Boston plays as well on the road.

If we win the next 2 games the series is a tossup.

KD has sucked, but Nash is not helping to put him in a better position. Why is he on ball initiating offense when it has been to the team's detriment?

[Evalar]

I don't like Nash. I think hes a bad coach.

But the insistence on blaming him for every problem is just getting to be idiotic.

Why does KD get a pass for the worst back to back games of his career in the playoffs?

The truth is if KD even had a below average game by his standards, we win both of these games.

He has been unable to make any shots. He is a turnover machine. And his defensive lapses are constant.

He looks nothing like the player he has all season.

I get that the Boston defense is bothering him. But this is nothing new for KD!!!! Hes been swarmed defensively before.

And its not like he doesn't have Kyrie out there who takes a lot of doubles and attention. Or spacing with Curry/Mills. A good rebounder in Drummond.

LeBron routinely dealt with this type of defense.

KD isn't meeting the moment and is doing incredible damage to his legacy as an all time player.

This is why he has to turn it around and win us Games 4 and 5. I think he will. I don't think Boston plays as well on the road.

If we win the next 2 games the series is a tossup.

Very fair post. On Nash I would love to ask him why he didn't make more use of Dragic who was playing really well. I'm hoping this is a typical Nets situation where we make things more difficult than it needs to be!

[CalamityX12]

I don't like Nash. I think hes a bad coach.

But the insistence on blaming him for every problem is just getting to be idiotic.

Why does KD get a pass for the worst back to back games of his career in the playoffs?

The truth is if KD even had a below average game by his standards, we win both of these games.

He has been unable to make any shots. He is a turnover machine. And his defensive lapses are constant.

He looks nothing like the player he has all season.

I get that the Boston defense is bothering him. But this is nothing new for KD!!!! Hes been swarmed defensively before.

And its not like he doesn't have Kyrie out there who takes a lot of doubles and attention. Or spacing with Curry/Mills. A good rebounder in Drummond.

LeBron routinely dealt with this type of defense.

KD isn't meeting the moment and is doing incredible damage to his legacy as an all time player.

This is why he has to turn it around and win us Games 4 and 5. I think he will. I don't think Boston plays as well on the road.

If we win the next 2 games the series is a tossup.

I don't think anyone is giving KD a pass... at least not from me... the coaches ran that guy to the ground en route to the playoffs... the style of play on this team under the direction of Nash and Co.(KD/KY too) has put more wear and tear on KD for nothing.

KD's lackluster play is a result of the guy playing on fumes. That issue is rooted to a deeply out of his league coach in Nash. KD should've never been put in that position, considering his frailty and health status. This guy was asked to be constantly guarding big men night in and night out, that's not him. No one is taking the ball out of his hands when he's clearly out of sorts.

Where is the coaching? this team became a reflection of its coach and putrid leaders.

The ineptitude to construct a G League offense has ruined KD to the ground. He thought he could do it all without some sort of consequence, that's on him and that's on the failure of Coach Nash.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't like Nash. I think hes a bad coach.

But the insistence on blaming him for every problem is just getting to be idiotic.

Why does KD get a pass for the worst back to back games of his career in the playoffs?

The truth is if KD even had a below average game by his standards, we win both of these games.

He has been unable to make any shots. He is a turnover machine. And his defensive lapses are constant.

He looks nothing like the player he has all season.

I get that the Boston defense is bothering him. But this is nothing new for KD!!!! Hes been swarmed defensively before.

And its not like he doesn't have Kyrie out there who takes a lot of doubles and attention. Or spacing with Curry/Mills. A good rebounder in Drummond.

LeBron routinely dealt with this type of defense.

KD isn't meeting the moment and is doing incredible damage to his legacy as an all time player.

This is why he has to turn it around and win us Games 4 and 5. I think he will. I don't think Boston plays as well on the road.

If we win the next 2 games the series is a tossup.

KD has sucked, but Nash is not helping to put him in a better position. Why is he on ball initiating offense when it has been to the team's detriment?

Does Kevin Durant need a coach to hold his hand to figure out how to score in this league?

KD wants Nash. He could have gotten him replaced a long time ago if he didn't like this offense.

This is primarily on him.

Hes the worst leader in the NBA for putting us in this **** position. No more passes.

Step it up and win this **** series.

[CalamityX12]

Can you guys tell me if Drummond's minutes were justified? how did he play?

How did Curry play?

What were the sub rotations like?

Edwards?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't like Nash. I think hes a bad coach.

But the insistence on blaming him for every problem is just getting to be idiotic.

Why does KD get a pass for the worst back to back games of his career in the playoffs?

The truth is if KD even had a below average game by his standards, we win both of these games.

He has been unable to make any shots. He is a turnover machine. And his defensive lapses are constant.

He looks nothing like the player he has all season.

I get that the Boston defense is bothering him. But this is nothing new for KD!!!! Hes been swarmed defensively before.

And its not like he doesn't have Kyrie out there who takes a lot of doubles and attention. Or spacing with Curry/Mills. A good rebounder in Drummond.

LeBron routinely dealt with this type of defense.

KD isn't meeting the moment and is doing incredible damage to his legacy as an all time player.

This is why he has to turn it around and win us Games 4 and 5. I think he will. I don't think Boston plays as well on the road.

If we win the next 2 games the series is a tossup.

I don't think anyone is giving KD a pass... at least not from me... the coaches ran that guy to the ground en route to the playoffs... the style of play on this team under the direction of Nash and Co.(KD/KY too) has put more wear and tear on KD for nothing.

KD's lackluster play is a result of the guy playing on fumes. That issue is rooted to a deeply out of his league coach in Nash. KD should've never been put in that position, considering his frailty and health status. This guy was asked to be constantly guarding big men night in and night out, that's not him. No one is taking the ball out of his hands when he's clearly out of sorts.

Where is the coaching? this team became a reflection of its coach and putrid leaders.

The ineptitude to construct a G League offense has ruined KD to the ground. He thought he could do it all without some sort of consequence, that's on him and that's on the failure of Coach Nash.

KD is not running on fumes.

Yes we played him a lot in the regular season. He also missed a ton of games due to injury.

This wasn't a case of him just running out of gas at the end.

He has legitimately been horrible for the majority of 2 full games.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Don't see how this helps us at all

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[3pt_chucker]

Welp. Elite players usually find a way to get it done. I clearly had too much respect for KD. He's not seeing anything special - this is what great players have to battle through. Every superstar gets doubled like this. I guess there was more truth to that "KD needs Curry" talk than I thought. I guess there's a reason OKC ran everything through Westbrook and had KD spotting up in the corner.

We're at the point where we just need to use him as a decoy. Let Kyrie, Dragic, Curry, and Brown control the offense completely. If KD goes the whole game without dribbling, we're better off.

This should have been the primary adjustment: KD should be off ball, with actions being run to free him up for open looks and curls. Having him at the top of the key handling the ball has been a disaster. Kyrie should be initiating the offense instead of standing over in a corner staring off into space.

We did a little bit of this (KD off ball) in the first half, but it feels like we just accidentally discover stuff that works because we always end up where we started. The only thing that is going to save this series is if KD has a moment of introspection and asks himself if he's really an asset to this team as a primary ball handler and initiator. If he keeps on pretending like he hasn't been a massive negative the way he's played so far then we'll be swept and his legacy will be greatly damaged.

Game changed in the 3rd when for some reason KD decided he needed more touches. Watch the game again, he started demanding the ball more and stopped passing when he got doubled and blitzed. I remember on a couple turnovers, he turned down an easy pass for a harder one or to over dribble. That gave the Celtics all the momentum. Same things happened in the 4th Q when he came back into the game. It feels like he's trying to prove some kind of point but it's not working.

Down the stretch you want the ball in your best players hands... except KD has been garbage and has the worst +/- for a reason. He has to be accountable and trust his teammates. If he keeps making the right play, the defense will soften. Celtics have zero reason to do anything differently because KD keeps making the same mistakes. SVG pointed out how KD is not even reading the defense properly. If he doesn't it's a huge stain on his legacy and everyone will be even more sure that he needs a stacked team to win.

[Evalar]

Don't see how this helps us at all

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I agree either put him in now and see if he can help or don't bother. Game four could be too late I don't see what difference a few days makes we need him now.

[Prokorov]

I don't like Nash. I think hes a bad coach.

But the insistence on blaming him for every problem is just getting to be idiotic.

Why does KD get a pass for the worst back to back games of his career in the playoffs?

The truth is if KD even had a below average game by his standards, we win both of these games.

He has been unable to make any shots. He is a turnover machine. And his defensive lapses are constant.

He looks nothing like the player he has all season.

I get that the Boston defense is bothering him. But this is nothing new for KD!!!! Hes been swarmed defensively before.

And its not like he doesn't have Kyrie out there who takes a lot of doubles and attention. Or spacing with Curry/Mills. A good rebounder in Drummond.

LeBron routinely dealt with this type of defense.

KD isn't meeting the moment and is doing incredible damage to his legacy as an all time player.

This is why he has to turn it around and win us Games 4 and 5. I think he will. I don't think Boston plays as well on the road.

If we win the next 2 games the series is a tossup.

KD has sucked, but Nash is not helping to put him in a better position. Why is he on ball initiating offense when it has been to the team's detriment?

Exactly.

And this is not some surprise. If some nobody 40-something fat dad from rhode island can see how obvious it is that KD struggles when pressured/trapped/forced to be a passer then an entire staff of professionals paid millions should have known it was a flaw too.

Do we do any self scouting? Do we run through any of these scenarios in practice? we had 3 days in between game 1 and game 2. we couldnt run 6 on 5 scrimmage constantly doubling KD to get him used to that kind of pressure? we couldn't run a 5 on 5 scrimmage outlinign scenarios from the film that would allow us to take advantage of those double teams? Like there are literally dozens...

Did we bring up GSW footage to see how Kerr handled that in the toronto series? and borrow from that?

I think people really do not grasp just how poor of a job we are doing in a coaching and scouting department. this is not some "well fans are always going to nit pick rotations" or "fans are always gonna blame the coach." Like this is real incompetence. I would also say, that it is likely Nash is not the only Marks hire who skipped the line and was maybe not qualified. our scouts? our assistants? We would probably raise an eyebrow with a closer look under the hood their as well.

The media/former players who arent lazy and actually look instead of just dump hot takes are all calling out Nash for the same stuff weve said all year.

This turnover thing was a problem for KD going back to GS. maybe going back even further. it was an even bigger problem here without Kerr/His staff doing something to mask it.

[3pt_chucker]

Don't see how this helps us at all

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He'll probably just be in the corner while KD dribbles it off his foot or into a double team and then forces a pass into a turnover for the 1000th time.

[Prokorov]

Does Kevin Durant need a coach to hold his hand to figure out how to score in this league?

There is nothing KD can do to score in those scenarios. hard double team by 2 elite defenders with 3 help defenders waiting and the team willing to take fouls to be physical...

no, scoring is not the issue. that should not be the objective and that is the issue. when the defense crowds the line of scrimmage you dont run the ball up the middle, you throw a play action pass.

Get the ball out of durants hands. have other initiate the offense. Get durant the ball in situations that are harder to double, where he can catch and attack. not situations that are very easy to double that require 7+ dribbles to get a shot off.

There is literally nothing KD can do score better with how he is being played, employing the current strategy.

on the flip side there are TONS of things we can do to get him to score better from an offensive strategy/coaching stand point

KD needs nash not to be a moron. if you want to blame KD the psuedo-GM fine. but KD the player is not at fault for our current struggles

[Prokorov]

Can you guys tell me if Drummond's minutes were justified? how did he play?

How did Curry play?

What were the sub rotations like?

Edwards?

Drummond played really well for the most part. he was really disruptive defensively. alot of delfections. 3 steals, 2 blocks. played bigger inside. forced a bunch of fouls. he was a positive

[CalamityX12]

KD is not running on fumes.

Yes we played him a lot in the regular season. He also missed a ton of games due to injury.

This wasn't a case of him just running out of gas at the end.

He has legitimately been horrible for the majority of 2 full games.

Physical fatigued can be part of the problem to KD's below acceptance of a superstar game. Yes Boston is playing phsyical and there's nothing illegal about it. Playing hard nose tough ball til their opponent wears out. KD is wearing out quicker than normal cuz he has been so exhausted prior during the regular season. It does catch up to him, he isn't a guy who's body is built for the consistent grind.

Now I am surprised even with 4 day layoff between the play in and gm 1, there isn't a spark in his step. Not to mention gm 2 was still 3 days later and still no rejuvenation yet.

I hope to lord that gm 3 its there cuz he'll only have 24 hr break from then to gm 4.


You know as a funny, in my cussing self, I'm like o god please tell me Kyrie didn't convince KD not to eat for Ramadan too...lol

[Prokorov]

Don't see how this helps us at all

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it definitely helps. how much it helps is to be determined.

Simmons provides almost all the things we lack most:

-A defender
-A rebounder
-An athlete
-An above the rim player
-A guy who can defend brown/tatum/horford and switch all over
-Someone who can initiate an offense, move KD off ball
-Allow us 2 stars on the court at almost all times
-protects the ball/prevents turnovers
-great transition defender
-another PF option
-another PG option

i mean the worst, rusty version of simmons in 15 minutes impact the game more then current drummond/edwards do and the middle of the road version impact it more then anyone who is not kyrie or kd.

[Evalar]

Can you guys tell me if Drummond's minutes were justified? how did he play?

How did Curry play?

What were the sub rotations like?

Edwards?

I thought the role players played well, Kessler looked overwhelmed but what can you expect. Didn't really think a lot of Nash rotations at times but I will admit I had my head in my hands most of the second half.

[Prokorov]

Don't see how this helps us at all

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I agree either put him in now and see if he can help or don't bother. Game four could be too late I don't see what difference a few days makes we need him now.

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

[CalamityX12]

Hell, Jason Kidd's infamous "bump into me so I can spill water to force a TO" was more impactful than Nash has ever done. LOL

[CalamityX12]

Don't see how this helps us at all

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I agree either put him in now and see if he can help or don't bother. Game four could be too late I don't see what difference a few days makes we need him now.

you put him in when he is ready. not before.

agreed.

What sucks is that if we're down 0-3 by then, it would be very unfair to Ben to try to right the ship the 3 stooges clearly sunk