Defining "Superstar"

itrsteve · Post #21 » by **itrsteve** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:48 pm

Hot tip: stop reading any thread who labels Golbert as a superstar, high probability it’s a complete waste of time.

hauntedcomputer · Post #22 » by **hauntedcomputer** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:55 pm

NZB2323 wrote:The definition of Superstar is that most grandmothers know who you are.

Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Dr. J, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and Lebron are superstars.

I’m not sure there have been any other superstars in NBA history.

Yep, I call it the "wife rule." I don't invest in any vintage basketball cards unless my wife has heard of the player. It's a celebrity status, not necessarily connected to on-court value or performance.

If you want to leave stardom out of it, then you can go with "perennial MVP candidate" or some such, otherwise the stardom part is pretty important. Kawhi is not a superstar in any universe despite that one commercial I saw him in, and certainly not AD, not Jokic by a mile, not even Giannis although he is starting to show up on some products. I don't even think I could legitimately add to that list of nine there. Most people wouldn't recognize these modern guys in an airport.

KembaWalker · Post #23 » by **KembaWalker** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:59 pm

If Anthony Davis is a Superstar might as well go ahead and give Giannis an electricity aura and call him a Superstar 2

Roger Murdock · Post #24 » by **Roger Murdock** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:08 pm

If you have to ask if someone is a super star then the answer is no

Onus · Post #25 » by **Onus** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:12 pm

hauntedcomputer wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:The definition of Superstar is that most grandmothers know who you are.

Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Dr. J, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and Lebron are superstars.

I’m not sure there have been any other superstars in NBA history.

Yep, I call it the "wife rule." I don't invest in any vintage basketball cards unless my wife has heard of the player. It's a celebrity status, not necessarily connected to on-court value or performance.

If you want to leave stardom out of it, then you can go with "perennial MVP candidate" or some such, otherwise the stardom part is pretty important. Kawhi is not a superstar in any universe despite that one commercial I saw him in, and certainly not AD, not Jokic by a mile, not even Giannis although he is starting to show up on some products. I don't even think I could legitimately add to that list of nine there. Most people wouldn't recognize these modern guys in an airport.

Your grandma knows who steph curry is.

SeniorWalker · Post #26 » by **SeniorWalker** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:16 pm

KembaWalker wrote:If Anthony Davis is a Superstar might as well go ahead and give Giannis an electricity aura and call him a Superstar 2

The way they matched up together this year during the regular season, Giannis had a 5 minute power up sequence and went Superstar 3 on Davis.

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #27 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:26 pm

The term "superstar" seems to me more about popularity and strength of the personal brand rather than actual value on the court.

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Ryoga Hibiki · Post #28 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:28 pm

Watch on YouTube

(So much stuff originates from Dolly Parton, anyway)

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NZB2323 · Post #29 » by **NZB2323** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:22 pm

Onus wrote:
hauntedcomputer wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:The definition of Superstar is that most grandmothers know who you are.

Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Dr. J, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and Lebron are superstars.

I’m not sure there have been any other superstars in NBA history.

Yep, I call it the "wife rule." I don't invest in any vintage basketball cards unless my wife has heard of the player. It's a celebrity status, not necessarily connected to on-court value or performance.

If you want to leave stardom out of it, then you can go with "perennial MVP candidate" or some such, otherwise the stardom part is pretty important. Kawhi is not a superstar in any universe despite that one commercial I saw him in, and certainly not AD, not Jokic by a mile, not even Giannis although he is starting to show up on some products. I don't even think I could legitimately add to that list of nine there. Most people wouldn't recognize these modern guys in an airport.

Your grandma knows who steph curry is.

All of my grandma’s have passed away, so you’d have to ask someone else. I know Curry is very popular in California, but if you go to a nursing home in Nebraska, do the people there know who Steph Curry is?

bstein14 · Post #30 » by **bstein14** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:43 pm

Ja Morant is getting national attention for commercials and endorsement deals, is on a top 2 team, in the MVP conversation, and is an elite athlete that is always on Sportscenter.

For me, he is more of a "Superstar" in the league than a guy like AD for sure. Possibly more than Leonard, who although has two finals MVPs, has mostly kept to himself and isn't in the spotlight. Leonard maybe could have reached superstar status if he wasn't injured the past few years but right now Morant is for sure ahead of him.

Post #31 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:21 pm

itrsteve wrote:Hot tip: stop reading any thread who labels Golbert as a superstar, high probability it’s a complete waste of time.

Yeah Tom Tolbert definitely wasn't a superstar. I'm assuming you typo'd him and not Rudy Gobert.

As far as impact goes, Gobert clearly has impact that matches or exceeds players you would likely deem as superstars. I get his impact isn't easy to see for the fans who just watch the ball and look at offensive counting stats. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist lol.

I shudder to think how this place would have dealt with Bill Russell. Well sure you are the most dominant player in the league and are the reason your team wins the championship every year but you ain't a volume scorer so get out of here scrub.

celticfan42487 · Post #32 » by **celticfan42487** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:25 pm

Warriorfan wrote:My definition top 10 player who is perennial MVP candidate.

^^^ This.

Has to be someone that is arguably the best player in the NBA. I think there's about 5 of those in the NBA right now.

DreamTeam09 · Post #33 » by **DreamTeam09** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:37 am

Is Jalen Brunson a superstar ?? He's been the best player on on the court against Conley Mitchell Gobert

Post #34 » by **Harry Garris** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:06 am

I don't think there is a criteria for it. It's one of those things where if the fans generally consider a player a superstar he is one. It doesn't necessarily mean he's a top 7-8-9 player in the league.

Forbes · Post #35 » by **Forbes** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:11 am

OP list is cool except for AD. AD is absolutely not a superstar.

macNcheese3 · Post #36 » by **macNcheese3** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:12 am

A legit #1 option, who can lift the team at any given moment when needed.

Statlanta · Post #37 » by **Statlanta** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:14 am

I'd only have LeBron, Curry and Durant on that tier. Nobody else has the expectations those 3 players have on a yearly basis. Not even Giannis with his accolades and age combination.

DoItALL9 · Post #38 » by **DoItALL9** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:18 am

My easy line --- 1st or 2nd team all NBA 5 times

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iLLmatic860 · Post #39 » by **iLLmatic860** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:47 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:I’m not convinced that Jokic is a superstar yet

He is, but not having a good guard that can put pressure on the rim and distribute makes it very difficult for a center to impact the game in the same way, even if he has amazing vision and IQ.

Superstars don’t go on the verge of being swept 2 years straight

AussieRules · Post #40 » by **AussieRules** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:57 am

NZB2323 wrote:The definition of Superstar is that most grandmothers know who you are.

Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Dr. J, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and Lebron are superstars.

I’m not sure there have been any other superstars in NBA history.

I’ll add Kevin Durant and Steph Curry to this list

Agree or Disagree?