Peak giannis or garnett

[Matt15]

How many years of Giannis would you take over peak KG?

[Statlanta]

None.

[Whopper_Sr]

You'll get better discussion with the players reversed. 03, 04 KG over peak Giannis is pretty easy. I'd probably take 08 as well. After that it gets pretty contested.

[penbeast0]

You'll get better discussion with the players reversed. 03, 04 KG over peak Giannis is pretty easy. I'd probably take 08 as well. After that it gets pretty contested.

Not sure I'd agree. KG's scoring is a bit inflated by playing with weak teams around him in Minnesota. I think if you include playoffs, peak Giannis may be the highest as Garnett didn't have the same opportunities and without that you don't know if his game would be as effective in the tougher postseason competition. Giannis is also more of a primary option, even on those weak Minnesota teams KG was never racking up the kind of scoring numbers as Giannis (lower usage as well as the lower efficiency). You have to be convinced that KG has a big defensive edge to rate him clearly higher. I think it's still a reasonably open question.

[eminence]

I'd take '03 or '04 KG over Giannis.

[TheGOATRises007]

I think 21 Giannis has an argument over 04 KG. Could see an argument for both.

Wouldn't pick any other year.

22 Giannis is TBD.

I don't think I'd put 08 KG over 21 Giannis either.

[GSP]

You'll get better discussion with the players reversed. 03, 04 KG over peak Giannis is pretty easy. I'd probably take 08 as well. After that it gets pretty contested.

What makes 08 Kg better 05-07? The fact that he had a far better team around him in 08?

[Whopper_Sr]

You'll get better discussion with the players reversed. 03, 04 KG over peak Giannis is pretty easy. I'd probably take 08 as well. After that it gets pretty contested.

Not sure I'd agree. KG's scoring is a bit inflated by playing with weak teams around him in Minnesota. I think if you include playoffs, peak Giannis may be the highest as Garnett didn't have the same opportunities and without that you don't know if his game would be as effective in the tougher postseason competition. Giannis is also more of a primary option, even on those weak Minnesota teams KG was never racking up the kind of scoring numbers as Giannis (lower usage as well as the lower efficiency). You have to be convinced that KG has a big defensive edge to rate him clearly higher. I think it's still a reasonably open question.

I like what KG brings more than what Giannis brings. Scoring isn't really close but the offensive gap is smaller than the defensive gap. KG's passing and spacing (which Giannis has improved on) does make up for the scoring gap. Giannis has the physical tools to be a defensive demon but I have KG as a top 3 defender of all time (#2 behind Russell).

Then we get into their basketball IQ and motor. Giannis is also a high motor player but KG has the edge there. Basketball IQ isn't close really.

[Whopper_Sr]

You'll get better discussion with the players reversed. 03, 04 KG over peak Giannis is pretty easy. I'd probably take 08 as well. After that it gets pretty contested.

What makes 08 Kg better 05-07? The fact that he had a far better team around him in 08?

Restored vigor (and motor along the way) and was clearly better on defense that year. It's close though.

[GSP]

You'll get better discussion with the players reversed. 03, 04 KG over peak Giannis is pretty easy. I'd probably take 08 as well. After that it gets pretty contested.

What makes 08 Kg better 05-07? The fact that he had a far better team around him in 08?

Restored vigor (and motor along the way) and was clearly better on defense that year. It's close though.

That just sounds like winning bias TBH from having a far better team. He had to do much less on offense here than he did in Minnesota so I dont buy the older Kg having a better motor than at his physical peak either

[Whopper_Sr]

What makes 08 Kg better 05-07? The fact that he had a far better team around him in 08?

Restored vigor (and motor along the way) and was clearly better on defense that year. It's close though.

That just sounds like winning bias TBH from having a far better team. He had to do much less on offense here than he did in Minnesota so I dont buy the older Kg having a better motor than at his physical peak either

Well, he was what, 31 in 08? Not far off at all from his late 20s seasons. You can make the argument that KG was better in 08 due to how he was utilized. We finally got to see what he can do when he goes all in on defense while being a cog on offense. Slightly younger KG who had to do literally everything on the court vs. slightly older KG doing what he does best.

[No-more-rings]

Is it even a given that Giannis peaked higher? I don’t believe it is.

[No-more-rings]

You'll get better discussion with the players reversed. 03, 04 KG over peak Giannis is pretty easy. I'd probably take 08 as well. After that it gets pretty contested.

Not sure I'd agree. KG's scoring is a bit inflated by playing with weak teams around him in Minnesota. I think if you include playoffs, peak Giannis may be the highest as Garnett didn't have the same opportunities and without that you don't know if his game would be as effective in the tougher postseason competition. Giannis is also more of a primary option, even on those weak Minnesota teams KG was never racking up the kind of scoring numbers as Giannis (lower usage as well as the lower efficiency). You have to be convinced that KG has a big defensive edge to rate him clearly higher. I think it's still a reasonably open question.

The scoring thing makes no sense to me. KG scoring efficiently would be harder on a weak team, not easier. It seems like you are saying KG was just putting up empty scoring numbers, when realistically he was the primary focus by far so getting 20-24 ppg on reasonable efficiency doesn’t sound so bad for someone who isn’t really an elite scorer. Giannis’ scoring would take a dip in an era with less spacing and more packed paints.

[Colbinii]

I would take 2003, 2004 and 2005 KG over Giannis.

[mattg]

KG is this board's favorite player ever basically, and he ends up somewhat overrated due to hivemind echo chamber here so threads like this are never going to get legitimate discourse and analysis because of the insane bias.

Like LOL at KG having a better motor than Giannis. Giannis legitimately plays harder than the scrub bench warmers who only get into games to play hard. EVERY POSSESSION ALL SEASON LONG. Like there's tons of legit things you could point to and say "KG does that better" or I prefer KG's style in this aspect. But motor???? Because he would yell in game?

That said, last year and this year Giannis are better than KG ever was. Otherwise peak KG is better than any other Giannis years.

[HeartBreakKid]

KG is this board's favorite player ever basically, and he ends up somewhat overrated due to hivemind echo chamber here so threads like this are never going to get legitimate discourse and analysis because of the insane bias.

Like LOL at KG having a better motor than Giannis. Giannis legitimately plays harder than the scrub bench warmers who only get into games to play hard. EVERY POSSESSION ALL SEASON LONG. Like there's tons of legit things you could point to and say "KG does that better" or I prefer KG's style in this aspect. But motor???? Because he would yell in game?

That said, last year and this year Giannis are better than KG ever was. Otherwise peak KG is better than any other Giannis years.

I love how you keep using the word analysis yet you use zero analysis.

Kevin Garnett is one of the best defenders of all time and plays nearly 9 more minutes per game than Giannis. So yes, he probably has a better motor as he has one of the GOAT motors. Garnett was in the top ten in minutes played in his peak seasons, Giannis is not even in the top 40. Giannis played the exact amount of minutes per game as Chris Paul to put things in perspective.

Boston Garnett was playing around the same amount of minutes as Giannis even when he was ancient and it was already unfashionable to play high minutes in the NBA.

If you think Garnett just "yells at his teammates" then please stop coming to this board to complain, and go on Twitter or something. Wow, Giannis plays hard?! Which is a strawman argument because no one said the opposite?

I dont know if you're just a hater or you have terrible reading comprehension based on this and the Herro thread.

[mattg]

KG is this board's favorite player ever basically, and he ends up somewhat overrated due to hivemind echo chamber here so threads like this are never going to get legitimate discourse and analysis because of the insane bias.

Like LOL at KG having a better motor than Giannis. Giannis legitimately plays harder than the scrub bench warmers who only get into games to play hard. EVERY POSSESSION ALL SEASON LONG. Like there's tons of legit things you could point to and say "KG does that better" or I prefer KG's style in this aspect. But motor???? Because he would yell in game?

That said, last year and this year Giannis are better than KG ever was. Otherwise peak KG is better than any other Giannis years.

I love how you keep using the word analysis yet you use zero analysis.

Kevin Garnett is one of the best defenders of all time and plays nearly 9 more minutes per game than Giannis. So yes, he probably has a better motor as he has one of the GOAT motors.

Garnett was playing around the same amount of minutes as Giannis even when he was ancient and it was already unfashionable to play high minutes in the NBA.

If you think Garnett just "yells at his teammates" then please stop coming to this board to complain, and go on Twitter or something. Wow, Giannis plays hard?! Which is a strawman argument because no one said the opposite?

I dont know if you're just a hater or you have terrible reading comprehension based on this and the Herro thread.

No Garnett just didn't go as hard as Giannis does possession and possession out every single game. If he did, he wouldn't have been physically capable of playing 9 more minutes per game. We can't easily quantify motor but using minutes played is silly, and watching them play Giannis consistently plays harder which is why he plays less, he needs to recharge after going so damn hard. I'm not saying KG didn't have a great motor, but he wasn't Giannis in that aspect. He sprints so much harder than KG ever did, changes ends better, and the big thing is on offense. Garnett rested offensively by comparison whereas Giannis is absolutely relentless. You don't get to ignore half the game. And I never said Garnett just yells at his teammates, it's that the perception of his motor is massively increased simply because he used to scream a lot and be intense on the court.

[penbeast0]

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I dont know if you're just a hater or you have terrible reading comprehension based on this and the Herro thread.

Warned for personal attack on another poster.

[LukaTheGOAT]

21 Giannis and very likely this year as well (unless I see something concerning from him)

Also I potentially would take 19 and 20 Giannis if he were used as an off-ball big, instead of a heliocentric creator (hard to know because that isn't the position he was put in).

[LukaTheGOAT]

KG is this board's favorite player ever basically, and he ends up somewhat overrated due to hivemind echo chamber here so threads like this are never going to get legitimate discourse and analysis because of the insane bias.

Like LOL at KG having a better motor than Giannis. Giannis legitimately plays harder than the scrub bench warmers who only get into games to play hard. EVERY POSSESSION ALL SEASON LONG. Like there's tons of legit things you could point to and say "KG does that better" or I prefer KG's style in this aspect. But motor???? Because he would yell in game?

That said, last year and this year Giannis are better than KG ever was. Otherwise peak KG is better than any other Giannis years.

You can see by my original post in this thread, that I would take up to 4 Giannis seasons over KG potentially because I do feel like he is the better player. That being said, KG might have the greatest motor of any superstar ever, in the discussion with 88 Jordan, and some other guys...so to me it is no laughing matter when someone says that KG had a higher motor.