2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Slim Charless]

if the suns lose to the pelicans cuz of dbook im going after ayton.

With Chris Paul getting up there, you think the Suns would want Freddy? I'd try a Fred for Ayton trade and see where it goes haha.

You guys don't have much to interest us as it relates to Ayton besides Scottie(+). Sorry boys.

scottie plus eh

Nothing personal of course, about you guys. But the only way we lose Ayton is cause of our cheap owner-so a trade for a 35M/yr Siakam doesn't do much good and obviously we have no interest in paying FVV 22M to come off the bench. Ditto with GTJ at 18M/yr.

I'm not even saying that Ayton is for sure coming back, but it'd be for a mix of picks and young players locked into good deals. Like for example let's say a crap team like ORL wanted him (which makes a ton of sense). So I could see Ayton for WCJ/Suggs/2023 unprotected pick as a something they'd do. You get a cheap Ayton replacement, a CP3 understudy who is a high pick, and then another pick to top it off.

[AbC?]

I'm not trading Siakam unless I'm getting a proven commodity back. Draft picks are only worth it if Masai is locked in on a certain player like he was Shai/Giannis pre-draft and you'd still need multiple + swaps the same way someone like the Pels got for Jrue Holiday.

Speaking of Shai. A lot would need to go right to make it work but hypothetically I could see the framework of something like being plausible:

Portland in: Siakam
Portland out: 2022 1st rounder (moves up from 6 to top 3, Bledsoe, Hart, filler in Winslow/Eubanks as needed for matching purposes

OKC out: Shai
OKC in: Portland 1st, Portland's expirings, draft capital from Toronto

Raptors out: Siakam + future 1sts/swaps as necessary
Raptors in: Shai

This would need Shai to demand a trade which is near impossible at the moment, based on his exit interview he's committed to OKC. You'd need to tamper to make it happen. Portland would need to be all-in on the Lillard timeline as well. The draft capital from Toronto might be steeper than we'd like.

Raptors build around Shai/Barnes.

[Madhouse]

You guys don't have much to interest us as it relates to Ayton besides Scottie(+). Sorry boys.

scottie plus eh

Nothing personal of course, about you guys. But the only way we lose Ayton is cause of our cheap owner-so a trade for a 35M/yr Siakam doesn't do much good and obviously we have no interest in paying FVV 22M to come off the bench. Ditto with GTJ at 18M/yr.

I'm not even saying that Ayton is for sure coming back, but it'd be for a mix of picks and young players locked into good deals. Like for example let's say a crap team like ORL wanted him (which makes a ton of sense). So I could see Ayton for WCJ/Suggs/2023 unprotected pick as a something they'd do. You get a cheap Ayton replacement, a CP3 understudy who is a high pick, and then another pick to top it off.

The point is Barnes is worth far more than Ayton and Ayton is not even locked into a longterm deal so that drives his value down even more so.

But I can't see a trade either. Ayton is a not a needle mover.

[Rodrickle]

You guys don't have much to interest us as it relates to Ayton besides Scottie(+). Sorry boys.

scottie plus eh

Nothing personal of course, about you guys. But the only way we lose Ayton is cause of our cheap owner-so a trade for a 35M/yr Siakam doesn't do much good and obviously we have no interest in paying FVV 22M to come off the bench. Ditto with GTJ at 18M/yr.

I'm not even saying that Ayton is for sure coming back, but it'd be for a mix of picks and young players locked into good deals. Like for example let's say a crap team like ORL wanted him (which makes a ton of sense). So I could see Ayton for WCJ/Suggs/2023 unprotected pick as a something they'd do. You get a cheap Ayton replacement, a CP3 understudy who is a high pick, and then another pick to top it off.

Do you think Sarver will be forced to sell? A new owner or prospective owner could affect Ayton. Either way I think Ayton gets re-signed barring a bad playoff performance.

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[Rodrickle]

We clearly need a scorer anda big defensive oriented center thats not a liability offensively. I doubt we'll get a contributor thats a big with the 33rd pick for next season or even his 2nd season. It is more likely a guard/forward can contribute to playoff team. Prefer signing a free agent center. There are many free agent centers, though some may be hard to get. Maybe trade for Turner, but we'd likely cause another hole on the roster if we did that

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[KrazyP]

We clearly need a scorer anda big defensive oriented center thats not a liability offensively. I doubt we'll get a contributor thats a big with the 33rd pick for next season or even his 2nd season. It is more likely a guard/forward can contribute to playoff team. Prefer signing a free agent center. There are many free agent centers, though some may be hard to get. Maybe trade for Turner, but we'd likely cause another hole on the roster if we did that

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Jusuf Nurkic would be a good target with the MLE (in place of re-signing Boucher?). He's a relatively young 2-way player.

Nurkic and Precious would give the Raps all the versatility and different looks they need at the 5 spot for years to come.

[anotherhomer]

That's true, it's pretty much a pipedream
Jaylen Brown, SGA would be the type of young upcoming scoring players you put beside Barnes

I would also put Jalen Green there too.
He's not a finalist but he's shown a lot of promise as a scoring guard.

Unfortunately, Rockets are not trading him

I'm not trading Siakam unless I'm getting a proven commodity back. Draft picks are only worth it if Masai is locked in on a certain player like he was Shai/Giannis pre-draft and you'd still need multiple + swaps the same way someone like the Pels got for Jrue Holiday.

Speaking of Shai. A lot would need to go right to make it work but hypothetically I could see the framework of something like being plausible:

Portland in: Siakam
Portland out: 2022 1st rounder (moves up from 6 to top 3, Bledsoe, Hart, filler in Winslow/Eubanks as needed for matching purposes

OKC out: Shai
OKC in: Portland 1st, Portland's expirings, draft capital from Toronto

Raptors out: Siakam + future 1sts/swaps as necessary
Raptors in: Shai

This would need Shai to demand a trade which is near impossible at the moment, based on his exit interview he's committed to OKC. You'd need to tamper to make it happen. Portland would need to be all-in on the Lillard timeline as well. The draft capital from Toronto might be steeper than we'd like.

Raptors build around Shai/Barnes.

[Slim Charless]

scottie plus eh

Nothing personal of course, about you guys. But the only way we lose Ayton is cause of our cheap owner-so a trade for a 35M/yr Siakam doesn't do much good and obviously we have no interest in paying FVV 22M to come off the bench. Ditto with GTJ at 18M/yr.

I'm not even saying that Ayton is for sure coming back, but it'd be for a mix of picks and young players locked into good deals. Like for example let's say a crap team like ORL wanted him (which makes a ton of sense). So I could see Ayton for WCJ/Suggs/2023 unprotected pick as a something they'd do. You get a cheap Ayton replacement, a CP3 understudy who is a high pick, and then another pick to top it off.

Do you think Sarver will be forced to sell? A new owner or prospective owner could affect Ayton. Either way I think Ayton gets re-signed barring a bad playoff performance.

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I do think that. The league is over him and his cheap ways. This whole ESPN thing is a good excuse for them to get him out.

[Psubs]

Sign Jusuf Nurkic

[Psubs]

Nothing personal of course, about you guys. But the only way we lose Ayton is cause of our cheap owner-so a trade for a 35M/yr Siakam doesn't do much good and obviously we have no interest in paying FVV 22M to come off the bench. Ditto with GTJ at 18M/yr.

I'm not even saying that Ayton is for sure coming back, but it'd be for a mix of picks and young players locked into good deals. Like for example let's say a crap team like ORL wanted him (which makes a ton of sense). So I could see Ayton for WCJ/Suggs/2023 unprotected pick as a something they'd do. You get a cheap Ayton replacement, a CP3 understudy who is a high pick, and then another pick to top it off.

Do you think Sarver will be forced to sell? A new owner or prospective owner could affect Ayton. Either way I think Ayton gets re-signed barring a bad playoff performance.

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I do think that. The league is over him and his cheap ways. This whole ESPN thing is a good excuse for them to get him out.

The Suns avoided the tax. They still spent almost $2 million more than the Raptors....

[OakleyDokely]

Sign Jusuf Nurkic

He will probably go for more than MLE. Raps would need to a sign and trade.

[ash_k]

Sign Jusuf Nurkic

OG gets called "injury prone" around here for some unlucky injuries (like thigh or hip bruises)
How would those same posters call a player like Nurkic that has missed an average of 30+ games in the last 3 seasons (fractured leg, fractured wrist..)

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I would look to add more vets on this team next season. If Utah decides to blow it up after this year then bogdanovic would be a good player to go after as well Rubio would be good influence on Flynn and Banton.

[agkagk]

Sign Jusuf Nurkic

OG gets called "injury prone" around here for some unlucky injuries (like thigh or hip bruises)
How would those same posters call a player like Nurkic that has missed an average of 30+ games in the last 3 seasons (fractured leg, fractured wrist..)

Og plays too many high leverage minutes.

Hell always be nicked at this rate.

[Rodrickle]

Do you think Sarver will be forced to sell? A new owner or prospective owner could affect Ayton. Either way I think Ayton gets re-signed barring a bad playoff performance.

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I do think that. The league is over him and his cheap ways. This whole ESPN thing is a good excuse for them to get him out.

The Suns avoided the tax. They still spent almost $2 million more than the Raptors....

I think he means next year if they resign Ayton to the max. They will be in the tax

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[LoveMyRaps]

I would look to add more vets on this team next season. If Utah decides to blow it up after this year then bogdanovic would be a good player to go after as well Rubio would be good influence on Flynn and Banton.

Bogdanovic's defense is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. Does not fit this team whatsoever. He's a gifted player offensively, but his defensive IQ is abysmal.

[LoveMyRaps]

Donovan Mitchell is surely gonna be available this off-season. Fred + Trent for Mitchell ?

Next year's squad: Barnes/Mitchell/OG/Siakam/Precious

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[Mr Swagtastic]

TOR trades P. Siakam (33M)

DEN trades Bones Hyland (I'm high on him), W. Barton, Monte Morris, Zeke Nnaji + 2x SRP 2022 + FRP unpr. 2024

Hyland is a gem, Barton provides needed shooting, vet presence and experience, his contract runs out 2023, so if he leaves, that free's up some cap space. Morris just here as a Salary filler and a better back up than Flynn, basically the CoJo Role he takes. Zeke Nnaji is an interesting player. I don't mind taking a "step back" next season, for development.

Hyland/VanVleet/Morris
VanVleet/Trent (move him)
OG/Barton/Barnes
Barnes/Young/Nnaji
Achiuwa/Birch

Hell no, you want a bunch of depth guys with no upside and seconds for Pascal that team is trash and has no upside no picks and probably gets VanVleet wanting out and OG.

TOR trades P. Siakam (33M)

MIN trades M. Beasley (14.5M, under contract for 2 years with last year a TO at 16M), P. Beverley (14M), L. Bolmaro (rookie under contract til 2025) + FRP 2022 unprotected, FRP 2023 Top 14 protected. (Naz Reid instead of Bolmaro would be cool too.)

In this scenario we have to move Trent as well, bc in my vision, Fred takes the role as the gunslinger from downtown and play the 2, Beasley takes the original Trent role as the 6thMan, shooting at a similar rate and efficiency, under contract for 2 more years with an team option that makes Trent redundant as he wants a big payday next summer. In this case a "Big" in return should be the goal.
I like Isaiah Jackson from the Pacers, but Indiana is loaded with guards with Duarte, Hield, Haliburton and Brogdon.

Another bad trade, you're trading for players are not going to help you I mean Patrick Beverley is good on a team missing that one guard who you need to give you defense in get under player skin he's not going to want to play on a rebuilding team. Toronto traded a pick in that same range for Thad Young you're telling me Pascal siakam who put up all-nba numbers is worth Bolmaro, Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley and a very late draft pick next year?

I am glad a lot of you people don't run this Raptors team or else y'all would just be trading players for potential like you guys are playing NBA 2K year after year after year.

Some of these trades need to stop what next OG Anunoby and Scottie Barnes for very late draft picks. Fred Van Vleet for an expiring contract and protected draft picks

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I would look to add more vets on this team next season. If Utah decides to blow it up after this year then bogdanovic would be a good player to go after as well Rubio would be good influence on Flynn and Banton.

Bogdanovic's defense is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. Does not fit this team whatsoever. He's a gifted player offensively, but his defensive IQ is abysmal.

His offensive gifts will more than likely make up for his lack of defense.

[Bruin]

Dort is a UFA next offseason and I would imagine he could be had. Obviously he’s not great offensively but he’s improving quite nicely. And we all know how great of a defender he is