Quin replacement

bkohler · Post #1 » by **bkohler** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:50 pm

I am not on board with the fire Quin movement, but I think the way things are trending, it's extremely doubtful that Quin is the coach next year.

So the question is if Quin goes elsewhere who are the candidates to replace him?

Someone internal? College coach? Borrego? Vogel?

Post #2 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:47 pm

I think it also depends what the Jazz do roster-wise. If they try to retool and stay playoff-competitive they might go for a veteran coach or one of the usual suspects. But if they go for a full rebuild they might go for a college coach or a young\relatively unproven\low profile coach who can grow with the team.

sip · Post #3 » by **sip** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:17 pm

I don't see any way that you can justify keeping Quin if we lose this series. This will be the 3rd straight year where we have an epic playoff collapse and he shows absolutely no ability to make adjustments. In all honesty he is the worst coach I have ever seen when it comes to making adjustments. Also his inability to have any flexibility with his rotations and zero emphasis on player development is frustrating as hell. I honestly believe the Ingles for Juancho and NAW trade was absolute home run but Snyder refuses to give NAW any minutes at all and only gives Juancho spot minutes which doesn't help at all. Give me NAW over Royce any day but of course Snyder has an unhealthy infatuation with Royce even though he is terrible. He used to be a decent perimeter defender but now he is horrible defensively and offensively the only thing he has ever been able to do was be a spot up shooter. This team would be so much better off with House starting in place of Royce and we went with a young bench mob of Butler, Clarkson, NAW, Paschall and Juancho. Gives those guys a legit 12 to 15 minutes a game together and I think good things will happen.

bkohler · Post #4 » by **bkohler** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:31 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I think it also depends what the Jazz do roster-wise. If they try to retool and stay playoff-competitive they might go for a veteran coach or one of the usual suspects. But if they go for a full rebuild they might go for a college coach or a young\relatively unproven\low profile coach who can grow with the team.

I agree with you - I actually think there’s a better chance of Quin being the coach next year if they decide to rebuild. He has the reputation as someone great at developing players. Alex Jensen probably also is highly likely in this scenario seeing what he could do.

One name I’d be curious about over the long term - is there a Brad Stevens / Danny Ainge reunion in the future? Brad seems pretty set as the GM now but things change quick in the NBA.

Denizfeital · Post #5 » by **Denizfeital** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:58 pm

bkohler wrote:One name I’d be curious about over the long term - is there a Brad Stevens / Danny Ainge reunion in the future? Brad seems pretty set as the GM now but things change quick in the NBA.

Wow. I would not mind Brad Stevens at all.

Rauxcee · Post #6 » by **Rauxcee** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:54 am

See I don't think Brad is much better than Quinn. Good regular season coach, garbage when it comes to the playoffs.

Catchall · Post #7 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:12 am

bkohler wrote:I am not on board with the fire Quin movement, but I think the way things are trending, it's extremely doubtful that Quin is the coach next year.

So the question is if Quin goes elsewhere who are the candidates to replace him?

Someone internal? College coach? Borrego? Vogel?

Terry Stotts spent a fair amount of time with the Jazz this season. It almost looked like he's waiting in the wings.

The main thing is that the front office and the coaches need to be on the same page regarding how the team is supposed to be built and played. There was a real rift between Quin and Dennis Lindsey related to personnel decisions.

bkohler · Post #8 » by **bkohler** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:00 am

I wonder how Quin and Danny's relationship is. It's always said that GM's want to bring in their guy... I wonder if Quin is his guy.

CAE15 · Post #9 » by **CAE15** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 9:35 am

I'd love to have Vogel and commit to defense. The Lakers were so bad because they had 33+ year olds not caring about defense. Focus on getting out and running and causing turnovers.

Post #10 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:23 am

CAE15 wrote:The Lakers were so bad because they had 33+ year olds not caring about defense.

Sounds like the Jazz.

Crunch 99 · Post #11 » by **Crunch 99** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 3:44 pm

Denizfeital wrote:
bkohler wrote:One name I’d be curious about over the long term - is there a Brad Stevens / Danny Ainge reunion in the future? Brad seems pretty set as the GM now but things change quick in the NBA.

Wow. I would not mind Brad Stevens at all.

No. New Celtic coach Ime Udoka has the Celtics ranked the number one defense in the NBA --- something Coach Stevens never did, albeit the youngish Celtic players are all a year older with another year of development. Moreover, I can't imagine why Stevens would want to leave his sweet position as GM of the contending Celtics, who have a talented young core and multiple years to contend, for the struggling Jazz with their older core. Many people are picking the Celtics to come out of the East this season, including both the computer programs at 538 and Basketball Reference, who have the Celtics winning the NBA title.

On a Jazz related note, Celtic starters DPOY Smart, Tatum, Brown and Robert Williams are all top 52 DRAPM players and were draft picks by Danny Ainge. Ainge may well have been involved in the re-acquistion of Horford as well. Ainge gave notice of retirement on June 2, but still worked with Stevens during a subsequent transition period. The team traded for Horford on June 18th.

The Celtics are up 2-0 on Brooklyn playing without starting Center/PF Robert Williams, who is ranked #11 in the NBA for DRAPM, ranked #4 in blocks and ranked #4 in OREBs. Williams is green GTD today and will likely begin his return to action after having been out with meniscus surgery since March 27th. Of course there is also a chance that Ben Simmons comes back as an impact player and defender for Brooklyn before first round is over, but I am a little skeptical that Simmons can step back in to the first round as a really effective player after having taken an entire year off and never played a single game with the Nets.

Post #12 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 3:51 pm

Yeah, I don't think Stevens is a realistic target. Plus, he already has a job as a GM. Wouldn't going from GM to head coach be a demotion?

Post #13 » by **FJS** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:17 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
CAE15 wrote:The Lakers were so bad because they had 33+ year olds not caring about defense.

Sounds like the Jazz.

Jazz only have 2 guys with 33+ (altough bojan and Hassan is going to be 33 in this year) and one of them is not playing (gay)

The other guys still have not 30 years.

Post #14 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:36 pm

FJS wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
CAE15 wrote:The Lakers were so bad because they had 33+ year olds not caring about defense.

Sounds like the Jazz.

Jazz only have 2 guys with 33+ (altough bojan and Hassan is going to be 33 in this year) and one of them is not playing (gay)

The other guys still have not 30 years.

We're still one of the oldest teams in the league, and had Ingles (34) as well for most of the season.

Rudy Gay- 35
Mike Conley - 34
Joe Ingles - 34
Bojan Bogdanović - 32
Hassan Whiteside - 32
Rudy Gobert - 29 (will be 30 in 2.5 months)
Jordan Clarkson - 29
Royce O'Neale - 28
Danuel House Jr. - 28
Juancho Hernangómez - 26
Donovan Mitchell - 25
Eric Paschall - 25
Xavier Sneed - 24 - Not playing any significant minutes
Trent Forrest - 23
Nickeil Alexander-Walker - 23 - Not playing any significant minutes
Udoka Azubuike - 22 - Not playing any significant minutes
Jared Butler - 21 - Not playing any significant minutes

Post #15 » by **FJS** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:56 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
FJS wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Sounds like the Jazz.

Jazz only have 2 guys with 33+ (altough bojan and Hassan is going to be 33 in this year) and one of them is not playing (gay)

The other guys still have not 30 years.

We're still one of the oldest teams in the league, and had Ingles (34) as well for most of the season.

Rudy Gay- 35
Mike Conley - 34
Joe Ingles - 34
Bojan Bogdanović - 32
Hassan Whiteside - 32
Rudy Gobert - 29 (will be 30 in 2.5 months)
Jordan Clarkson - 29
Royce O'Neale - 28
Danuel House Jr. - 28
Juancho Hernangómez - 26
Donovan Mitchell - 25
Eric Paschall - 25
Xavier Sneed - 24 - Not playing any significant minutes
Trent Forrest - 23
Nickeil Alexander-Walker - 23 - Not playing any significant minutes
Udoka Azubuike - 22 - Not playing any significant minutes
Jared Butler - 21 - Not playing any significant minutes

Gay is not playing either, and Joe is not with the team. Hassan has all the numbers to no continue.

We aren't young, but we aren't Lakers.

Post #16 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:03 pm

FJS wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
FJS wrote:
Jazz only have 2 guys with 33+ (altough bojan and Hassan is going to be 33 in this year) and one of them is not playing (gay)

The other guys still have not 30 years.

We're still one of the oldest teams in the league, and had Ingles (34) as well for most of the season.

Rudy Gay- 35
Mike Conley - 34
Joe Ingles - 34
Bojan Bogdanović - 32
Hassan Whiteside - 32
Rudy Gobert - 29 (will be 30 in 2.5 months)
Jordan Clarkson - 29
Royce O'Neale - 28
Danuel House Jr. - 28
Juancho Hernangómez - 26
Donovan Mitchell - 25
Eric Paschall - 25
Xavier Sneed - 24 - Not playing any significant minutes
Trent Forrest - 23
Nickeil Alexander-Walker - 23 - Not playing any significant minutes
Udoka Azubuike - 22 - Not playing any significant minutes
Jared Butler - 21 - Not playing any significant minutes

Gay is not playing either, and Joe is not with the team. Hassan has all the numbers to no continue.

We aren't young, but we aren't Lakers.

Great, you successfully ruined my joke. I hope you're happy. 8-)

bkohler · Post #17 » by **bkohler** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:12 pm

FJS wrote:We aren't young, but we aren't Lakers.

Idk - the defense seems preeettty similar if you ask me.

vryadli · Post #18 » by **vryadli** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:23 pm

The defense was arguably best in the league when Q. arrived.

And Jazz was pretty overachieving fighting team, even if prone to bad shooting slumps.

Both aspects were deteriorated steadily year after year - notwithstanding all players and management shuffling

And now Jazz, being about same or better on formal talent score. has one of the worst defense and weakest - may be weakest ever in NBA! - mental attitude.

Ditto.

dr0welf · Post #19 » by **dr0welf** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:51 am

I would look at Hornacek as an option for coach. Maybe Igor could step in. Even talk Ingles into coming back on the coaching staff instead of as a player.

Post #20 » by **FJS** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:35 am

vryadli wrote:The defense was arguably best in the league when Q. arrived.

And Jazz was pretty overachieving fighting team, even if prone to bad shooting slumps.

Both aspects were deteriorated steadily year after year - notwithstanding all players and management shuffling

And now Jazz, being about same or better on formal talent score. has one of the worst defense and weakest - may be weakest ever in NBA! - mental attitude.

Ditto.

Rubio, Crowder, Favors (not injured), Sefolosha, Exum (when he could play), Ingles younger, Udoh for example 2017-2018 season were an upgrade in deffense than we got right now.

Hill, Hayward, younger Ingles, injury free Favors, Exum, Whithey were fine too in 2016-17.

We rid a lot of them and other were injured for more talented offensive players. Then we got 1st in offense...