2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

[JohnnyTapwater]

I think Jaden Hardy has the highest ceiling from any player that could be available at 18.

That may be true but the Bulls don’t need to draft another guard that may or may not pan out. Even if Hardy does work out the Bulls already have LaVine. Hardy could be great but he could also be a complete bust.

BPA vs. Need.

The age old debate.

Who would've thought Poole was a good pick for GS? That's why you swing. Winners win and losers make excuses for why they didn't choose to try to win.

[StunnerKO]

I think Jaden Hardy has the highest ceiling from any player that could be available at 18.

That may be true but the Bulls don’t need to draft another guard that may or may not pan out. Even if Hardy does work out the Bulls already have LaVine. Hardy could be great but he could also be a complete bust.

BPA vs. Need.

The age old debate.

Who would've thought Poole was a good pick for GS? That's why you swing. Winners win and losers make excuses for why they didn't choose to try to win.

Yup if the best player a SG I’m taking him because lavine got knee issues and Demar fall off can happen at any moment . Tho I do get Zo , Ayo and Caruso thing but none of them are really scorers

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[ChettheJet]

I don't want to even start guessing in April, and whoever you project now, I'll bet the mortgage for June that you're wrong.

Until these kids get to the combine, where some are going to end up at least an inch shorter and likely 2, look a little more awkward in the drills, don't handle the ball that well, don't show much defense. While others who had fewer games on TV move like they were born to be basketball players, have a much more fluid shot than anybody thought and come up fast on everybody's board. And even still some teams that aren't locked in on one guy or put more faith in interviews than others, and that one lottery pick who starts to fall because the media hasn't picked up on something the NBA security discovered, can all change things even closer to the draft

If they trade Coby White, first I'd be shocked that any team is willing to give up much for him, or that the Bulls would move him. If there's an out of the blue move with Vuc, which again I really don't see. What they got back in either or both deals could change the thinking of who they draft.

But now I see both staying and they draft either the best stretch 4 or the biggest defensive 5.

[waffle]

Ah, think coby might have more value to A PARTICULAR TEAM than we are giving him credit.

[PlayerUp]

Go with the highest ceiling player position doesn't matter.

Yeah not on board with drafting for need. BPA. Hopefully that best player is 6’10” or taller though.

There's rarely, if ever, a situation where drafting for need instead of BPA is the correct move. And if there is a situation where it's the right decision, we're not in that situation, so needless to say I'm definitely on board with BPA.

Not BPA, BCP. We should be drafting the player that has the highest ceiling. If you want BPA, then that would be drafting the best ready now player who can contribute as a role player which is what Gar/Pax did all those years and it didn't work.

[Almost Retired]

I think when you have glaring needs you have to take both needs and BPA into account. We need to add length inside and more size for our back-up "4". Just looking at a consensus of various Mocks on who is likely to be available I still think Liddell offers toughness and shooting ability as a backup to Patrick. He was one of the best players in the Big 10 last year. And the Bulls have to bring in Walker Kessler for a private interview and workout. Beyond those potential players who fill a need here are a few of the BPA players likely to be available at #18:

1) Ousmane Dieng (Australia) .....see the profile above that Gimme Dat sent to us. 6'-9' with a 7 ft Wingspan. Gimme sees great potential here.

2) Nikola Jovic (Euro) - Also discussed in previous posts. 6'-10" point forward. Outside shot could use improvement.

3) Ochai Agbaji (Kansas) - Had a great tournament run. Comes out as a senior though. Has an all around game. He's probably close to his ceiling after 4 years under Bill Self. Ceiling is likely 6th man or rotation contributor.

4) John Butler (Florida) - 7'-1" 190 lbs. Fluid and agile, very nice 3 point stroke. Would have to be able to play as a wing....painfully skinny for the NBA.

5) MarJon Beauchamp from G- League Ignite. 6'-6' with a 7'-0" wingspan. Has 3 point potential. Worth it for AKME to bring him in for a workout and interviews. Potentially high ceiling player as a wing.

6) Max Christie (Michigan) - 6'-5" SG. Smooth stroke. A project that will need to add strength to impact at the next level. Moderate ceiling. Low to moderate floor.

7) Bryce McGowens (Nebraska) - 6'-7" Discusses previously. Very active athlete with good bounce. If he works on his "3" ball and improves he is definitely a potential high ceiling player at the "3". I hope AKME brings him in for a workout and interview.

Honorable mentions worth bringing in for a workout: Christian Koloko (Arizona) , Harrison Ingram (Stanford)(if he comes out), Wendell Moore (Duke) , Caleb Houstan (Michigan), Jaylin Williams (Arkansas), Moussa Diabate (Michigan), Kendall Brown (Baylor)

[Almost Retired]

That may be true but the Bulls don’t need to draft another guard that may or may not pan out. Even if Hardy does work out the Bulls already have LaVine. Hardy could be great but he could also be a complete bust.

BPA vs. Need.

The age old debate.

Who would've thought Poole was a good pick for GS? That's why you swing. Winners win and losers make excuses for why they didn't choose to try to win.

Yup if the best player a SG I’m taking him because lavine got knee issues and Demar fall off can happen at any moment . Tho I do get Zo , Ayo and Caruso thing but none of them are really scorers

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I see Hardy getting mocked to go late lottery 12-15.

[StunnerKO]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-kentuckys-shaedon-sharpe-expected-to-leave-school-projects-to-go-no-4-to-thunder/amp/



With Shaedon Sharpe entering the draft it’s pushing some players down , CBS has us taking Montero at 18. I hope now cuz Hardy goes right after him

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[heir_jordan22]

So nobody like Moussa Diabate?

Looks like a very versatile 3/4 defender, rim protector, with ball handling ability, good movement off the ball and finishong around the rim. Not a good shooter right now but he basically looks like a 6'10" version of Javonte Green.

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[Wingy]

I’m all for BPA as long as they’re clearly the superior prospect on our board.

For example, a guy that grades 83 at guard isn’t a clear cut pick over a PF/C that grades out at 80.

“BCA” is also a questionable strategy when taken as an absolute. Say a poor man’s Tyrus Thomas-type shows maturity and attitude concerns in interviews (not saying he did, I don’t recall hearing that). Despite a good ceiling for an 18th pick, I’m not biting if the guy looks like he has a low chance of reaching it. Or if you’re talking a Pat Williams type who isn’t going to consistently do a ton until perhaps their first extension...I’m not psyched to wait around for that potential outcome.

It’s a balance. It’s case by case depending on who’s actually there.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I’d be thrilled with Branham, Eason, or Hardy.

[TheSuzerain]

Hardy/Branham as Coby replacements could be solid.

This thought also led me to reflect on how wild it was that Coby went lotto.

[Am2626]

That may be true but the Bulls don’t need to draft another guard that may or may not pan out. Even if Hardy does work out the Bulls already have LaVine. Hardy could be great but he could also be a complete bust.

BPA vs. Need.

The age old debate.

Who would've thought Poole was a good pick for GS? That's why you swing. Winners win and losers make excuses for why they didn't choose to try to win.

Yup if the best player a SG I’m taking him because lavine got knee issues and Demar fall off can happen at any moment . Tho I do get Zo , Ayo and Caruso thing but none of them are really scorers

Watch on YouTube

There is a reason why Hardy has fallen so far. If he had any potential in him he wouldn’t have slid this far in his draft projection. That’s a big red flag.

[StunnerKO]

BPA vs. Need.

The age old debate.

Who would've thought Poole was a good pick for GS? That's why you swing. Winners win and losers make excuses for why they didn't choose to try to win.

Yup if the best player a SG I’m taking him because lavine got knee issues and Demar fall off can happen at any moment . Tho I do get Zo , Ayo and Caruso thing but none of them are really scorers

Watch on YouTube

There is a reason why Hardy has fallen so far. If he had any potential in him he wouldn’t have slid this far in his draft projection. That’s a big red flag.

talented players fall all the time and found anywhere

[Am2626]

Yup if the best player a SG I’m taking him because lavine got knee issues and Demar fall off can happen at any moment . Tho I do get Zo , Ayo and Caruso thing but none of them are really scorers

Watch on YouTube

There is a reason why Hardy has fallen so far. If he had any potential in him he wouldn’t have slid this far in his draft projection. That’s a big red flag.

talented players fall all the time and found anywhere

There are a lot of guys that get hyped up and then get exposed when they play stronger competition. Emoni Bates is another example. Any hope that people see in Hardy is based purely on his high school hype. I think he didn’t even play his senior year so basically it is based on high school competition that happened almost 3 years ago. If he didn’t have that hype based on his G League play he wouldn’t even be discussed at all. For the Bulls to take him at 18, 17 other teams would have to pass on him. I’m not even sure he is projected in the first round at this point. If the Bulls want him that bad then they can buy a second round pick and not waste a mid first on a guy that will be there later in the draft.

[sco]

Ah, think coby might have more value to A PARTICULAR TEAM than we are giving him credit.

Who? The Bucks (while he's on the Bulls)?

[othawhitemeat]

Hardy/Branham as Coby replacements could be solid.

This thought also led me to reflect on how wild it was that Coby went lotto.

Branham has a smart game that is Derozan like. Not saying he will be as good but just a great midrange and in lane scorer and has a solid 3 point shot. I like Jovic and Liddell even more. I think we can get a really good player.

[Am2626]

BPA vs. Need.

The age old debate.

Who would've thought Poole was a good pick for GS? That's why you swing. Winners win and losers make excuses for why they didn't choose to try to win.

Yup if the best player a SG I’m taking him because lavine got knee issues and Demar fall off can happen at any moment . Tho I do get Zo , Ayo and Caruso thing but none of them are really scorers

Watch on YouTube

I see Hardy getting mocked to go late lottery 12-15.

I don’t know what mock draft you are looking at but ESPN’s projections have Hardy being the 27th overall best prospect. To take this guy at 18 would be foolish.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

[dice]

Yeah not on board with drafting for need. BPA. Hopefully that best player is 6’10” or taller though.

There's rarely, if ever, a situation where drafting for need instead of BPA is the correct move. And if there is a situation where it's the right decision, we're not in that situation, so needless to say I'm definitely on board with BPA.

Not BPA, BCP. We should be drafting the player that has the highest ceiling. If you want BPA, then that would be drafting the best ready now player who can contribute as a role player which is what Gar/Pax did all those years and it didn't work.

that's not what garpax did all those years. most years they did, and it usually succeeded. some they went with the higher ceiling and it failed. they went with the highest ceiling in tyrus over more "ready now" in aldridge and that backfired. also, teague was a project when they were in "win now" mode and that failed. alternately, they famously went with "ready now" in mcdermott and that failed

hinrich, gordon, duhon, noah, taj - all drafted to contribute immediately, none with particularly high ceilings

[Am2626]

There's rarely, if ever, a situation where drafting for need instead of BPA is the correct move. And if there is a situation where it's the right decision, we're not in that situation, so needless to say I'm definitely on board with BPA.

Not BPA, BCP. We should be drafting the player that has the highest ceiling. If you want BPA, then that would be drafting the best ready now player who can contribute as a role player which is what Gar/Pax did all those years and it didn't work.

that's not what garpax did all those years. most years they did, and it usually succeeded. some they went with the higher ceiling and it failed. they went with the highest ceiling in tyrus over more "ready now" in aldridge and that backfired. also, teague was a project when they were in "win now" mode and that failed. alternately, they famously went with "ready now" in mcdermott and that failed

hinrich, gordon, duhon, noah, taj - all drafted to contribute immediately, none with particularly high ceilings

GarPax were good for the most part in drafting safe picks but failed miserably when it came to finding the high potential guy. Biggest misses that come to mind are the Tyrus over Aldridge decision and when they moved up to draft McDermott. They could have taken LaVine with that pick and both guys that Denver took in Harris and Nurkic were better picks than McDermott. That had to be GarPax’s worst draft day decision of their tenure.