2022 NBA Draft - Prospects Discussion

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I’m totally fine with a swing for the fences project type guy. Just not really convinced that’s what Baldwin is. I’m not going to pretend to have seen much of him but if the reports that he has a slow first step and isn’t much of a ball handler are true, I’m not really sure I see the upside. Sounds more like he’s just a shooter that didn’t make shots in college.
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His play was definitely concerning but it did seem like he was a decent passer and had a smooth stroke. Also can't teach his height. I could see it going either way but I think he went through a lot of personal family stuff (not concerning playing with dad) last year and was dealing with injuries. It was a disastrous year, but that is also probably why a player of his talent would be available at 24. I would take it as a swing for the fence pick.

Take it with a grain of salt as I'm also a homer and wouldn't mind Lewis in out forfeited second round pick.

[RiotPunch]

By the way, KOC in the Ringer mock says that Koloko is a 3pt shooter but doesn't provide any evidence of that or acknowledge that he was 0-5 in his career at Arizona. KOC says a lot of stuff about prospects that makes me feel like he's living in an alternate universe.

He's got that sick Ringer graphic design team behind him that really make his takes sing, though. I think he just sees what he wants to see, he rarely backs up takes with facts and figures. Maybe he's really banking on that career 67% from the free throw line being an indicator?

Sam Vecenie is kind of rough to listen to, but I tend to agree with him far more often than I do KOC these days.

And yeah, Walker Kessler over Kendall Brown would make me very sad.

[RiotPunch]

Fun draft tool this guy I know built, basically just uses the sportsref database to find statistical college comps for prospects. Physical Comparisons are not currently updated for this class.

http://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/

[emunney]

Fun draft tool this guy I know built, basically just uses the sportsref database to find statistical college comps for prospects. Physical Comparisons are not currently updated for this class.

http://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/

Relatedly, I think we take Wendell Moore if he's there.

[RiotPunch]

I'd be super okay with Moore. Smart, long, plays on both ends, has range.

[emunney]

I'd be super okay with Moore. Smart, long, plays on both ends, has range.

I'm not sold on his range, but he really is a lot like Donte. I've been a big fan since the Hoop Summit; took him a lot longer to break out than I expected. He's a winner, though, and his skill level and body are catching up to his IQ and motor.

[RiotPunch]

I'd be super okay with Moore. Smart, long, plays on both ends, has range.

I'm not sold on his range, but he really is a lot like Donte. I've been a big fan since the Hoop Summit; took him a lot longer to break out than I expected. He's a winner, though, and his skill level and body are catching up to his IQ and motor.

Funny, both Donte and Grayson pop in his Per-40 comps.

Yeah, his range is questionable, but he at least had a good year from 3 on more attempts. 6'5" Shane Larkin sounds like a world beater!

[emunney]

Also doesn't turn 21 until September, super young Junior.

[Ron Swanson]

Good to see you guys hop on the Wendell Moore hype train

Re: The Koloko and Kessler discussion. I think if you're a limited big on offense (non-floor spacer), you absolutely need to be an elite rim-protector/rim-runner AND a switchable defender for me to even consider spending a 1st round pick on you. I'm just not that sold on either. Koloko I feel does have some "Dewyane Dedmon" shooting potential so I guess I don't think KOC is way off there.

[RiotPunch]

Good to see you guys hop on the Wendell Moore hype train

Re: The Koloko and Kessler discussion. I think if you're a limited big on offense (non-floor spacer), you absolutely need to be an elite rim-protector/rim-runner AND a switchable defender for me to even consider spending a 1st round pick on you. I'm just not that sold on either. Koloko I feel does have some "Dewyane Dedmon" shooting potential so I guess I don't think KOC is way off there.

He literally said he's been on Moore since the Hoop Summit.

Also, not saying, just saying:

[M-C-G]

Who is a proper sized SF prospect with plus length, motor and ideally athleticism that might be there for us? We need that body type badly on this roster.


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[machu46]

By the way, KOC in the Ringer mock says that Koloko is a 3pt shooter but doesn't provide any evidence of that or acknowledge that he was 0-5 in his career at Arizona. KOC says a lot of stuff about prospects that makes me feel like he's living in an alternate universe.

He's got that sick Ringer graphic design team behind him that really make his takes sing, though. I think he just sees what he wants to see, he rarely backs up takes with facts and figures. Maybe he's really banking on that career 67% from the free throw line being an indicator?

Sam Vecenie is kind of rough to listen to, but I tend to agree with him far more often than I do KOC these days.

And yeah, Walker Kessler over Kendall Brown would make me very sad.

He mentions on his scouting report that he shot it pretty well from the FT line this past season (also mentions how bad he was as a freshman as a red flag) and shot it well and shot it smooth from mid range this season and that he’ll almost certainly be trying to prove he can extend that range to the 3 point line to sell himself as a Brook Lopez type.


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[SickMother]

Koo Koo for Koloko

Loko for Koloko

Just a couple Kolokouialisms that could really take off is Christian is the chosen one at twenty four.

[emunney]

Koloko Plus

[AussieBuck]

Who is a proper sized SF prospect with plus length, motor and ideally athleticism that might be there for us? We need that body type badly on this roster.


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Need a young guard who can shoot dribble and pass. Also need an athletic big. Need some young dudes coming through.

[M-C-G]

Did you guys talk about Kendall Brown?

NBA Comparison: Al-Farouq Aminu/Mo Harkless
Strengths: Brown pairs excellent size with top shelf athleticism, helping make him a destructive force running in transition … Perhaps the most explosive player available for this year’s draft. Elite level athlete … Is crafty around the rim, and makes layups and dunks from contorted angles … Shot an excellent 78% around the rim, and has a knack for punishing smaller defenders … Talented athlete with high potential tied to his youth … Can beat defenders with a combination of dribble moves and pace … Solid three-point stroke/ numbers (34% from 3) highlights potential to be at least an average long range shooter … Confident with the ball in his hands, Brown is decisive getting downhill … Has a wide array of moves to evade defenders near the rim … Tremendous bounce and cutting create easy alley oop chances …His size and lateral quickness make him an ideal defender in a switching defense … Length and instincts close passing lanes and disturb ball handlers … Averaged a steal per game last season … Played and started in every game this season … Understood his role, and played his part as a defensive fulcrum and off-ball role player on offense … Unselfish player. Vision and passing is one of his better attributes, averaging a solid 1.9 per game … Possesses a solid wingspan at 6’11 …

[M-C-G]

Who is a proper sized SF prospect with plus length, motor and ideally athleticism that might be there for us? We need that body type badly on this roster.


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Need a young guard who can shoot dribble and pass. Also need an athletic big. Need some young dudes coming through.

I think we will see in the Boston series, we need someone other than Middleton that has some size and chops to guard guys like Tatum and Brown. When you look at rolling out Jrue, Pat, Wes, Grayson and ask them to cover SF, they are just way undersized.

Mikal Bridges would be the perfect get, but zero % chance at that. I'd like to find something kind of similar even if it is a discount version

[machu46]

Who is a proper sized SF prospect with plus length, motor and ideally athleticism that might be there for us? We need that body type badly on this roster.


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Depends on how big you're requiring these guys to be, but some of the wings that sort of fit the profile in our draft range based on the bits I've read and watched:

MarJon Beauchamp - 6'6" with 7'0" wingspan (supposedly) - 200 lbs - Was considered a lazy defender in his HS days and has taken a long, winding path to get here. Went to JuCo before ending up with G-League Ignite and has proven himself as a pretty tenacious defender there that doesn't need the ball on offense (but has generally been a good finisher inside and a streaky shooter)

EJ Liddell - 6'7" - 6'11" wingspan - 240 lbs - Ohio State's go-to scorer, 1st team All-Big 10, 1st team All-Big 10 Defense. He was considered sort of a liability when he got switched onto guards until improving in this regard as a junior, but his motor and shot blocking has never really been a question. He's definitely got more of a big man's game; he loves posting up and isn't really going to attack from the perimeter (though he can shoot the 3 pretty well), so he wouldn't really be a Mikal Bridges. He'd be more of a switchable small-ball big man. Kevin O'Connor compares him to Paul Millsap.

Kendall Brown - 6'8" - 6'10" wingspan - 205 lbs - only 19 years old, he's a great athlete and made his 3's this year (but small sample size and just not really his game at the moment). Seems to still be figuring out how to defend fundamentally speaking and KOC says he stands up/gets backcut too often right now, but I see his eyes darting back and forth between his man and the ball and the flashes of him locking guys up, jumping passing lanes, etc. and feel like he could potentially turn into a good defender.

Christian Braun - 6'7" - N/A wingspan but doesn't look relatively long to me - 220 lbs - Everyone basically says he doesn't have one elite skill to sell people on, but he's pretty good in a lot of areas. Good athlete, hard-nosed defender, loves to get out in transition for dunks and spots up for 3's in the half-court. His shooting release is a little slow, but pretty beautiful form otherwise.

[SupremeHustle]

Have you guys been looking at Deez?

[SupremeHustle]

Who is a proper sized SF prospect with plus length, motor and ideally athleticism that might be there for us? We need that body type badly on this roster.


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Need a young guard who can shoot dribble and pass. Also need an athletic big. Need some young dudes coming through.

I think we will see in the Boston series, we need someone other than Middleton that has some size and chops to guard guys like Tatum and Brown. When you look at rolling out Jrue, Pat, Wes, Grayson and ask them to cover SF, they are just way undersized.

Mikal Bridges would be the perfect get, but zero % chance at that. I'd like to find something kind of similar even if it is a discount version

Horst is already on it.