***Official 2021-22 Offseason Thread***

[MrDollarBills]

Players that should be on the trade block: Irving, Simmons, Curry. These players have value and should be shopped for young 2 way players to take the load off Durant as he ages further.

I want to say fire Nash but in hindsight, it isn't fair to blame him for playing small when Marks got rid of Bembry and Johnson and Simmons refused to play

Nah we need Curry for spacing.

Getting rid of Bembry was the first of many f*ck ups Marks has made this season

Curry will not be needed when Harris is back. Plus Mills can fill the same role anyway.

Targets this offseason should be Brogdon, Myles Turner, Porzingis, Kuzma, and KCP. 2 way players that can contribute on multiple facets.

With Harris back, Edwards and Thomas growing, along with any combination of those players will provide enough versatility to take on any opponent and allow Durant to age gracefully without having to play 40 min a night to beat bottom feeders.

...Harris just missed an entire season. We absolutely need both guys on the roster.

[Marvin Martian]

Nah we need Curry for spacing.

Getting rid of Bembry was the first of many f*ck ups Marks has made this season

Curry will not be needed when Harris is back. Plus Mills can fill the same role anyway.

Targets this offseason should be Brogdon, Myles Turner, Porzingis, Kuzma, and KCP. 2 way players that can contribute on multiple facets.

With Harris back, Edwards and Thomas growing, along with any combination of those players will provide enough versatility to take on any opponent and allow Durant to age gracefully without having to play 40 min a night to beat bottom feeders.

But how does one add those recommended players without assets to move nor cap to sign?

i'm a bit perplexed with what we can or can't do due to salary limits for Clowns.

Kyrie is an asset. Simmons is an asset. Curry is an asset (although he won't get much in return). Flip them ASAP before they look for a way to tank their value when next season starts.

[Marvin Martian]

Nah we need Curry for spacing.

Getting rid of Bembry was the first of many f*ck ups Marks has made this season

Curry will not be needed when Harris is back. Plus Mills can fill the same role anyway.

Targets this offseason should be Brogdon, Myles Turner, Porzingis, Kuzma, and KCP. 2 way players that can contribute on multiple facets.

With Harris back, Edwards and Thomas growing, along with any combination of those players will provide enough versatility to take on any opponent and allow Durant to age gracefully without having to play 40 min a night to beat bottom feeders.

...Harris just missed an entire season. We absolutely need both guys on the roster.

KD missed an entire season too. I like Curry but he is unplayable in the playoffs. He doesn't have the size to compete on the defensive end. He could score 20 and give up 40. If Harris comes back shooting 40% from 3, Curry should be shopped
Can't have him and Mills playing significant mins in the playoffs

[Tha King]

You need to add some size and athleticism on the perimeter (you've BEEN needing this since last year actually). Assuming Simmons plays that's a great start. Harris is a passable defender and 6'6 so there's another. The rookie Edwards will be in his second year so maybe he's your third. Now see if you can find a key rotational player in FA/trade.

Finding the right center pairing for Simmons will be interesting though. Need to find a player(s) that can play with him offensively (space the floor), rebound/rim protect some and go against Embiid, Giannis, etc.

[MrDollarBills]

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[TheNetsFan]

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I don't normally agree with Screamin' A, but he's 100% right.

Tsai needs to let Marks wrestle control back & put Kyrie in his place. For sure no full max contract. The max 15% of the total contract as a bonus for games played. Hell, an argument can be made that the Nets should not even offer Kyrie a contract. If he wants to be here, he can pick up his option & work his @ss off & prove he can be part of winning. I would dare Kyrie to go test the market & come back with his best offer. We'll decide whether to match or beat it. There's no reason to bid against ourselves.

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Celtics fan coming here in peace.

Honestly, Ben Simmons might be the missing piece, and if what he's looking for is a reset, then I think the smart thing to do is make minor changes during the offseason and go from there. I think this Nets team will be contenders next year, and possibly win a championship. This is IF Simmons comes back 100% physically and mentally healthy and Joe Harris's return being a huge boost. Also both Tsai and Marks need to lay down the law on Kyrie, but that might actually end up backfiring, so honestly best of luck with the guy. I genuinely believe there's no hope in handling him. Otherwise, keep your heads up Nets fans. You guys still have one hell of a roster, just need someone to replace Drummond imo, he was terrible for you guys.

[MrDollarBills]

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I don't normally agree with Screamin' A, but he's 100% right.

Tsai needs to let Marks wrestle control back & put Kyrie in his place. For sure no full max contract. The max 15% of the total contract as a bonus for games played. Hell, an argument can be made that the Nets should not even offer Kyrie a contract. If he wants to be here, he can pick up his option & work his @ss off & prove he can be part of winning. I would dare Kyrie to go test the market & come back with his best offer. We'll decide whether to match or beat it. There's no reason to bid against ourselves.

Agreed. Marks needs to call the shots here. His next contract should be heavily incentive laden in terms of games played.

[MrDollarBills]

Celtics fan coming here in peace.

Honestly, Ben Simmons might be the missing piece, and if what he's looking for is a reset, then I think the smart thing to do is make minor changes during the offseason and go from there. I think this Nets team will be contenders next year, and possibly win a championship. This is IF Simmons comes back 100% physically and mentally healthy and Joe Harris's return being a huge boost. Also both Tsai and Marks need to lay down the law on Kyrie, but that might actually end up backfiring, so honestly best of luck with the guy. I genuinely believe there's no hope in handling him. Otherwise, keep your heads up Nets fans. You guys still have one hell of a roster, just need someone to replace Drummond imo, he was terrible for you guys.

I'm at the point where the Nets can't care about what Kyrie thinks. He's clearly delusional and needs to be told the truth

[Pablo Escobar]

Kyrie needs to go. He's a delusional prick who only cares about himself. Ain't no "we" cause your antivax dumbass cost the team a chance at being competitive. Kd got ran into the ground unfortunately and was playing with no legs but his enabling of Kyrie is lame and needs to end. If the Nets offer him an extension then there goes your title hopes imo. Cause something will trigger Kyrie and he'll go awol for a month or not speak to teammates/coaches for weeks because he feels a type of way. Hopefully your team cuts ties with him and you get guys that actually love the game instead of it being a "job" or "not that important"

[Hello Brooklyn]

I was devastated the past 2 days. Still not completely over it but ready to move in.

I see no more point in further discussing what went wrong this season.

Its obvious. We tried to cheat basketball. You can't put a team together on the fly with no chemistry, no coaching, and just hope your talent can take you to a Championship. It won't happen. And it would have been bad for the NBA if it did.

We happened to catch Boston. Who very likely wins the East. Sucks we got swept but it was one of the closest sweeps in NBA history. Probably should have got 1 or 2 of those games.

Last year we got away with a lot. But we simply had more talent, more defense, and way more continuity.

If I learned anything this season, its that you are what your record says you are.

We were a 7 seed. And we kept pretending like we were something more when we were not.

The Celtics series was a disaster at every level. Not a single defensive wing to guard anyone. No semblance of coaching. Offense was just isoing our best players who got walloped on defense.

Time to learn from it and move on.

I'm pissed at KD/Kyrie/Nash and everyone.

Still it doesn't make sense to give up.

We have to make major changes if we want to compete.

Boston was a dumpster fire last year after making the Conference Finals. Miami was a mess last year and also got swept after making the Finals. 2 years ago Milwaukee choked and got swept in the 2nd round. Warriors lost in the play in just last year.

Teams go through adversity and play badly. That doesn't mean we can't turn it around if we have a full season of continuity, better coaching, less injuries, and better roster construction.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Here are my solutions to fixing the Nets:

1. Fire Nash- Not looking like it will happen but hes a major negative. I know a lot of people say he didn't have a real chance. He didn't. But he also just had no idea what he was doing. We need to hire someone who can actually make adjustments that make sense. If we keep Nash its will just make everything else more difficult.

2. Put Kyrie on a Short Leash- I've had enough of this guy. We need to make clear to Kyrie that his antics will no longer be tolerated. If he does any more nonsense then we should trade him by the deadline. Hopefully he can remain professional for once.

3. Get Simmons/Harris Healthy- The biggest problem this playoffs was a lack of defensive wings. Luckily we have two of those guys on the roster. Have to manage these injuries right. Get these guys back by October. Make sure they are able to play a full season.

4. Develop Youth- No more signing washed ringer chasers. I want us to keep playing Kess/Cam/Sharpe. These guys can be good if given the chance. We need these fresh legs in the playoffs and to get KD/Ky some rest.

5. Stop playing KD/Kyrie such high minutes. Its not sustainable. If we develop a better system and defense we don't need to play them so many minutes. It won't work and was a disaster all year. KD's body cannot take it especially.

6. Trade one or two Philly picks. The first one I want us to get a stretch 5. We need a big man that can shoot to cover up for Simmons who will kill our spacing. Maybe Dwayne Dedmon or Gorgui Dieng?

7. Sign a reliable backup PG. I honestly missed Chiozza. Maybe we can do better than that. But need someone off the bench that can play PG.

This is all I can think of right now. But I do think it would solve a lot of issues we had this year.

[Stone]

I pretty much co-sign on Hello Brooklyn posts 31 and 32. I would add that there are still no unstoppable teams out there. Our window is still open. We need commitment from everyone to get better. It is an 82 game season.

I just hope this humble pie leaves a bad taste in our teams mouth. Because there is no way anyone can look back on this season and say "This worked or that worked',. The reality is we failed over and over. We hardly beat any good teams. We believed our own BS.

[Karate Diop]

One think I'll throw out there as a point of optimism is that Harden on the ball and Kyrie as a true shooting guard really seemed to unlock Kyrie by letting him focus on being a scorer and simplifying his decision-making process... There's a possibility Ben can do something similar by alleviating a lot of the ball handling duties from Kyrie.

Not quite the same as Simmons provides no threat from deep, but all is not lost...

[Hello Brooklyn]

One think I'll throw out there as a point of optimism is that Harden on the ball and Kyrie as a true shooting guard really seemed to unlock Kyrie by letting him focus on being a scorer and simplifying his decision-making process... There's a possibility Ben can do something similar by alleviating a lot of the ball handling duties from Kyrie.

Not quite the same as Simmons provides no threat from deep, but all is not lost...

Simmons and Kyrie will be an ideal fit.

Even with Kyrie-Harden defense was bad at times.

Simmons can always guard the best perimeter player and let Kyrie rest a bit.

On offense Simmons can play the Draymond role. Look to set up plays and roll to the rim.

He no longer has to deal with Embiid clogging the lane.

[MrDollarBills]

Another problem to emphasize to remove Kyrie is his blatant disregard to continually segregate himself or alienate himself from the team aspect.

He constantly says me and kev along with Tsai Marks...... always... always... he constantly makes it about him n kev running operations as oppose to say they're part of the team. Where's the We in Team? like 2x out of 20 mentions?

NO **** COMPETITOR WANTS TO BE A TEAMMATE WITH THAT

Who wants to work with someone/duo who makes it clear its about them and their interests over the team? Who plays hard or works hard for team unity and cohesion when they CLOWNS are about themselves and makes it known its them and the Brooklyn Nets.

It's supposed to be about Brooklyn. Brooklyn!!!!!! The NETs!!!!!!! we're not your retirement home or your little timeshare....

until the organization and team gets back to being about Brooklyn Nets... nothing changes.

sorry for my excess ranting.

Kyrie has zero self awareness. Told you...the guy is a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder.

Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

How many boxes do you think Kyrie checks off?

Symptoms include:

Overinflated sense of self-importance.
Constant thoughts about being more successful, powerful, smart, loved or attractive than others.
Feelings of superiority and desire to only associate with high-status people.
Need for excessive admiration.
Sense of entitlement.
Willingness to take advantage of others to achieve goals.
Lack of understanding and consideration for other people’s feelings and needs.
Arrogant or snobby behaviors and attitudes

I'm not even saying this to be funny or to degrade Kyrie, I'm being serious. The dude has some really legit mental health issues. One of the root causes of NPD is childhood trauma.

Just like with Ben's behavior, Kyrie's behavior after everything transpired is not normal.

That's why I said in the game thread that Kyrie needs to see a therapist. That post game interview was the most bizarre one yet from him and he has zero grasp of reality.

The Nets are in horrific shape right now as a franchise. Two guys with serious mental health issues make up 60% of the salary cap and neither of them care about basketball.

[MGrand15]

The last week and a half have sucked but I don't think it changes any plans for the offseason. The entire season was a disaster on multiple fronts. The team needs to get back to our core values that made us successful:

1. Modern Basketball:
You can blame injuries or whatever but the fact is - we turned into a team that didn't have enough shooting to compete in today's NBA. Our last offseason included too many bigs + non-shooters + shooters that teams don't respect (Carter, Millsap). Teams like the Heat and Nuggets can survive major injuries because 1 through 15 - they have shooters. Boston only played 1 non-shooter against us all series. That's just how the NBA is. You can't roll out 2 to 3 non-shooters at the same time and expect to score. Period. We can't make KD's life so difficult.

If Ben is going to be a core piece, it becomes EXTRA important that the roster is filled with shooting. That needs to be priority 1. If a team with KD + Kyrie is going to win a chip, they're going to do it by being offensive juggernauts. That has to be our identity. We were throwing out a 2004 roster for a good chunk of the year. It's a miracle we made it to the 7 seed. That's unacceptable from Marks.

2. Development:
I don't know if Claxton is coming back but whatever happened to him last off-season was just terrible. I don't know who's fault it was - Nets - or Claxton - whatever. When he was on the floor last year - he was the perfect fit especially defensively. He got played off the floor in Milwaukee because he was too weak and we needed as much shooting as possible with Ky/James out. That's fine but I still looked at him as the guy who should be starting at 5 for us. How does he come back for media day and tell us he hasn't gained a pound? 3 years in the league and guards outweigh him by 15 pounds? How is conditioning still an issue? How is he shooting sub 60% from the line? He improved as an offensive player but the offseason was a failure. We can't let that happen.

Not sure what's going to happen to our young guys but we used to pride ourselves on maxing out young players. We have to get back to that. We could have seriously used Kessler Edwards during the playoffs

3. No More Excuses:
I can't believe we had Nash on a national stage making excuses DURING the playoffs. Our record on B2Bs had to be the worst in the league. We had the worst home record out of any playoff team. Just embarrassing. Even when we were rebuilding, we'd play hard on B2Bs and play to win every game. That doesn't mean playing the stars 40+ minutes. That means everyone that's on the floor plays hard and everyone cares about winning. That also means when we lose, the coach is pissed. Nash was not coaching to win this year. He should've been canned during that losing streak. We can't just rely on our stars to go crazy and shrug if we lose by 30.

[MrDollarBills]

The last week and a half have sucked but I don't think it changes any plans for the offseason. The entire season was a disaster on multiple fronts. The team needs to get back to our core values that made us successful:

1. Modern Basketball:
You can blame injuries or whatever but the fact is - we turned into a team that didn't have enough shooting to compete in today's NBA. Our last offseason included too many bigs + non-shooters + shooters that teams don't respect (Carter, Millsap). Teams like the Heat and Nuggets can survive major injuries because 1 through 15 - they have shooters. Boston only played 1 non-shooter against us all series. That's just how the NBA is. You can't roll out 2 to 3 non-shooters at the same time and expect to score. Period. We can't make KD's life so difficult.

If Ben is going to be a core piece, it becomes EXTRA important that the roster is filled with shooting. That needs to be priority 1. If a team with KD + Kyrie is going to win a chip, they're going to do it by being offensive juggernauts. That has to be our identity. We were throwing out a 2004 roster for a good chunk of the year. It's a miracle we made it to the 7 seed. That's unacceptable from Marks.

2. Development:
I don't know if Claxton is coming back but whatever happened to him last off-season was just terrible. I don't know who's fault it was - Nets - or Claxton - whatever. When he was on the floor last year - he was the perfect fit especially defensively. He got played off the floor in Milwaukee because he was too weak and we needed as much shooting as possible with Ky/James out. That's fine but I still looked at him as the guy who should be starting at 5 for us. How does he come back for media day and tell us he hasn't gained a pound? 3 years in the league and guards outweigh him by 15 pounds? How is conditioning still an issue? How is he shooting sub 60% from the line? He improved as an offensive player but the offseason was a failure. We can't let that happen.

Not sure what's going to happen to our young guys but we used to pride ourselves on maxing out young players. We have to get back to that. We could have seriously used Kessler Edwards during the playoffs

3. No More Excuses:
I can't believe we had Nash on a national stage making excuses DURING the playoffs. Our record on B2Bs had to be the worst in the league. We had the worst home record out of any playoff team. Just embarrassing. Even when we were rebuilding, we'd play hard on B2Bs and play to win every game. That doesn't mean playing the stars 40+ minutes. That means everyone that's on the floor plays hard and everyone cares about winning. That also means when we lose, the coach is pissed. Nash was not coaching to win this year. He should've been canned during that losing streak. We can't just rely on our stars to go crazy and shrug if we lose by 30.

You also bring up a good point.

What happened to our analytical approach to basketball? All of that went out the window the moment Nash was hired.

I mean we were leaving guys who were shooting 38-40% from downtown wide open not just in the playoffs, but all season long to help against paint attacks. How on earth is that even remotely using analytics to devise a strategy?

Marks needs to get back to his principles. If KD and Kyrie don't like it, by all means we can end this marriage in the offseason. We need to play modern basketball.

[NetsWorld]

Celtics fan coming here in peace.

Honestly, Ben Simmons might be the missing piece, and if what he's looking for is a reset, then I think the smart thing to do is make minor changes during the offseason and go from there. I think this Nets team will be contenders next year, and possibly win a championship. This is IF Simmons comes back 100% physically and mentally healthy and Joe Harris's return being a huge boost. Also both Tsai and Marks need to lay down the law on Kyrie, but that might actually end up backfiring, so honestly best of luck with the guy. I genuinely believe there's no hope in handling him. Otherwise, keep your heads up Nets fans. You guys still have one hell of a roster, just need someone to replace Drummond imo, he was terrible for you guys.

Celtics were bigger, stronger and longer than the Nets and Ime was out coaching the daylights out of Steve Nash. No way does a simple move or two change things. Kyrie is a detriment and him and KD need to start playing like they want a championship. It sickens me as a Nets fan that those two drama queens are content and don't care about rings. Best of luck to you guys, guys that are HUNGRY to win it all for the damn fanbase. I just wish the Nets fielded a team that was hungry to win it all, not play casual basketball. Had we win last year, this sweep would sting a lot less.

[Gooner]

Nets need Mark Jackson, he is a terrific coach and would instantly make the Nets much tougher and much better defensively. Nets looked spineless this season because they had a weak coach.