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Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET

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Re: Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET 

Post#601 » by 76ciology » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:45 pm

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Ive talked about Embiid being OK on offense.

Defensively, there’s just no excuse.

Again you have Embiid capable of only a "flash in the pan" showing in the playoffs. He just can't sustain that level of intensity across this number of games.

When Embiid has his inevitable "flat" games in the regular season they aren't as costly, because a sizeable percentage of the time the team will be facing a weak opponent or an opponent who for whatever reason is likewise flat, with a far lower-stakes regular season game at hand.

In the high-stakes setting of the playoffs however, his inevitable stretches of "flat" play make the team pay dearly, as it's facing a good opponent whose intensity is ratcheted up.

This is why Embiid needs a Jimmy Butler, and why he's now exhorting James Harden to "be more aggressive." He knows he's incapable of playing first fiddle on this team. He can't spearhead this team himself throughout the playoffs -- he can't sustain his own intensity across that number of high-intensity games.


Then Embiid has to play with another big.

Because you have enough sample size that Embiid’s defense suffers because of what is required for him on offense.

Whereas there’s no substitute to defense if your center is struggling on defense, other than letting him play with another big.

Even our offense is struggling, without another tall finisher at the paint that can punish the defense if they trap jojo.
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Re: Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET 

Post#602 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:56 pm

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Bum Adebayo wrote:The reality is, Embiid hasn't been as bad as you think, his TS average in this series is still around 59%, which considering the double and triple teams that he is facing, is good no doubt about it.

The area where Embiid was bad is in failing to recognize that the hard work he would need to put in in that game consisted of establishing position in the paint prior to the entry pass, when he was still one-on-one with his defender, prior to the double-team. He let smaller and weaker players muscle him all night in that regard. Embiid should've scored 30+ consisting primarily of low post shots after having established position deep in the paint. The Raptors had no answer for that, but Embiid would rather play as a "wing" and do his ISO game, which feeds right into their plan to double-team him.

Take a look at size of the players on the Raptors' roster. They have nobody who can guard Embiid in the paint. The gameplan going into this series should've consisted of a steady diet of Embiid's establishing position deep in the paint against the Raptors' smaller and weaker players. The fact that the Raptors outscored the Sixers by a large margin in the paint last night is ludicrous and reflects Embiid and the team's poor understanding and execution of what would easily beat that team.

Use your strength (Embiid) against their weakness (smaller and weaker players). Basketball 101.


Embiid is not really very strong when it comes to establishing deep post position, he is strong up top but doesn't have good lower body strength.
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Re: Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET 

Post#603 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:58 pm

But yeah, I think it has already been established that Embiid cannot be your first option on offense for sustained periods. We hoped Harden could've been that, but in fact he is even worse on offense than Embiid nowadays.
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Re: Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET 

Post#604 » by phillynative » Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:39 pm

Like I said without Vanfleet there is no one for average shotcreator Maxey and washed Harden to target .Now we see why raptors were so pissed when Scottie got injured. He can lock anyone on this team straight up except Embiid , has good court vision and not complete zero on offense like Matisse and Ben is and were.

He reminds me of a young andre iguodala.

With that being said his presence shouldn't decide the series. I would rather let him beat us than Siakim if he's going to be the point guard for them give him some room on the perimete(he's 30% 3pt shooter )and crowd Siakim and Trent. Embiid has to be lurking in the paint. I'm ok with Achiuwa and the others knocking down a couple 3s but can't let the Raptors have their way in the paint like they did. The same way the raptors would rather the others beat them beside Embiid should be the same mentality for Sixers with siakim and others in the paint.
On the other end need Maxey to use his speed and push the ball a little more, have Harden hunt Trent and have Embiid establish more position in the paint. Those things need to happen even if the sixers are shooting well from 3 or not to have a chance in the next games.
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Re: Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET 

Post#605 » by 76ciology » Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:58 pm

It really does not matter if Raps can guard Harden or Embiid. Because either way, they’re are as what Maxey would describe as “extreme” in sending help.

The only way to beat the Raps this game was for our shooters to make wide open threes, which we had 19 of them.
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Re: Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET 

Post#606 » by the_process » Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:00 pm

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Lou_23 wrote:It is obvious that with his hand injury Embiid now cant create his own shoots.


He shouldn't have to



We need to stop with the Embiid post ups. He's not Shaq, and you can't win that way in the NBA anymore.

Play like Dirk for the love of God.
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Re: Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET 

Post#607 » by phillynative » Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:56 pm

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Lou_23 wrote:It is obvious that with his hand injury Embiid now cant create his own shoots.


He shouldn't have to



We need to stop with the Embiid post ups. He's not Shaq, and you can't win that way in the NBA anymore.

Play like Dirk for the love of God.


I dont know how you expect Embiid to play like Dirk with a injured thumb and its not about playing like anyone its about making the defense react to you and taking advantage of your opponents weaknesses. Embiid fighting for position in the paint is not solely about him scoring down there its more like a decoy to get the raptors defense off balance and easier shots for the rest of the team. Its like what Doc said in the post game Maxey slashing to the hoop is not just for him to score its partly to break down the defense and get the ball moving.
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Re: Cameroonian Carnage: Game 5 Raptors @ Sixers 4/25 @ 8 pm ET 

Post#608 » by Embiid P » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:00 pm

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Bum Adebayo wrote:The reality is, Embiid hasn't been as bad as you think, his TS average in this series is still around 59%, which considering the double and triple teams that he is facing, is good no doubt about it.


You are 100% right he is by far your best player and MVP caliber.

Your GM really screwed up on Lowry. Lowry could have been the guy to rally Embiid. He does that. Would have been a much better fit than Harden at lower cost/contract duration. A healthy Lowry will expose the flaws in whichever team wins this series. The guy's BBIQ is the best I have seen ever. He would've taken Embiid on another level.


IIRC, Masai wanted Maxey as part of the deal for Lowry. In hindsight, if you were Morey, would you have traded Maxey for Lowry?
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Post#609 » by canada_dry » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:10 pm

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Bum Adebayo wrote:The reality is, Embiid hasn't been as bad as you think, his TS average in this series is still around 59%, which considering the double and triple teams that he is facing, is good no doubt about it.


You are 100% right he is by far your best player and MVP caliber.

Your GM really screwed up on Lowry. Lowry could have been the guy to rally Embiid. He does that. Would have been a much better fit than Harden at lower cost/contract duration. A healthy Lowry will expose the flaws in whichever team wins this series. The guy's BBIQ is the best I have seen ever. He would've taken Embiid on another level.


IIRC, Masai wanted Maxey as part of the deal for Lowry. In hindsight, if you were Morey, would you have traded Maxey for Lowry?
Also important to note that the whole simmons fiasco doesn't happen had u guys traded for lowry. Simmons doesn't implode that way with an extra ball handler taking pressure off of him. He doesn't request a trade. U guys make at least the conference finals. Maybe the finals. Maybe u even win. But lets say conference finals at least.

Basically A lot less stress since then+ keep simmons+ no harden with looming extension + a good deep run last year+ this year

Negatives are giving up maxey, who's turned out to be really good. Would you guys have still done it?

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Post#610 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:16 pm

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You are 100% right he is by far your best player and MVP caliber.

Your GM really screwed up on Lowry. Lowry could have been the guy to rally Embiid. He does that. Would have been a much better fit than Harden at lower cost/contract duration. A healthy Lowry will expose the flaws in whichever team wins this series. The guy's BBIQ is the best I have seen ever. He would've taken Embiid on another level.


IIRC, Masai wanted Maxey as part of the deal for Lowry. In hindsight, if you were Morey, would you have traded Maxey for Lowry?
Also important to note that the whole simmons fiasco doesn't happen had u guys traded for lowry. Simmons doesn't implode that way with an extra ball handler taking pressure off of him. He doesn't request a trade. U guys make at least the conference finals. Maybe the finals. Maybe u even win. But lets say conference finals at least.

Basically A lot less stress since then+ keep simmons+ no harden with looming extension + a good deep run last year+ this year

Negatives are giving up maxey, who's turned out to be really good. Would you guys have still done it?

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Post#611 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:19 pm

Lmao Lowry was never gonna save Ben Simmons and Lowry is even more washed than Harden. That trade would have been a complete disaster and was never going to happen.
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Post#612 » by canada_dry » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:48 pm

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IIRC, Masai wanted Maxey as part of the deal for Lowry. In hindsight, if you were Morey, would you have traded Maxey for Lowry?
Also important to note that the whole simmons fiasco doesn't happen had u guys traded for lowry. Simmons doesn't implode that way with an extra ball handler taking pressure off of him. He doesn't request a trade. U guys make at least the conference finals. Maybe the finals. Maybe u even win. But lets say conference finals at least.

Basically A lot less stress since then+ keep simmons+ no harden with looming extension + a good deep run last year+ this year

Negatives are giving up maxey, who's turned out to be really good. Would you guys have still done it?

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Post#613 » by 76thBearCub » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:44 pm

I just watched a bit ago. We didn't deserve to win. Just a sloppy mess.

I don't fully understand Philly fans in the arena either. Booing is fine when there's a lack of effort but why doesn't the place rock to start the game like it did in Toronto?
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Post#614 » by Embiid P » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:04 pm

76thBearCub wrote:I just watched a bit ago. We didn't deserve to win. Just a sloppy mess.

I don't fully understand Philly fans in the arena either. Booing is fine when there's a lack of effort but why doesn't the place rock to start the game like it did in Toronto?


I don't get it either. We are generally not loud as fans unless it's a close game in the fourth. Both Toronto and Boston (and possibly Milwaukee too) are way louder than us. Too much tailgating perhaps? The fear of losing?
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Post#615 » by 76thBearCub » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:18 pm

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76thBearCub wrote:I just watched a bit ago. We didn't deserve to win. Just a sloppy mess.

I don't fully understand Philly fans in the arena either. Booing is fine when there's a lack of effort but why doesn't the place rock to start the game like it did in Toronto?


I don't get it either. We are generally not loud as fans unless it's a close game in the fourth. Both Toronto and Boston (and possibly Milwaukee too) are way louder than us. Too much tailgating perhaps? The fear of losing?


Kind of a timidness until things are going exceptionally well. But quick to the disapproval
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Post#616 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:37 pm

I think as a fanbase we’re more anxious about losing than we are excited about winning. I don’t think it was necessarily always like that but it happens when you see your team implode in the playoffs year after year.

We’ve been snake bit so many times during the Process era that it’s hard to be optimistic. I think that’s why we all love Tyrese Maxey so much. He’s untarnished by all of our bullsh*t and always pleasantly surprises instead of disappoints us lol.
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Post#617 » by mjkvol » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:58 am

I love everything about the Philly fan base except I'll never get the booing. Philly fans are hard to please, but once you've got 'em you own 'em, just ask AI, Julius, Dawkins, etc. Philly fans don't do the phony rah-rah stuff like Toronto, Utah, and Portland, but there's nothing quite like a Philly crowd in full throat when they believe. All they're looking for out of the Sixers is a reason to believe.
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Post#618 » by phillynative » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:08 am

The Sixers fans naively believe that if they boo the players will know the effort that the effort their playing with is unacceptable to them and that they will step it up lol
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Post#619 » by Iverson Armband » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:37 am

We’ve definitely become more of a nervous nelly fanbase. The First Union Center during AI’s runs were always electric from the jump.
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Post#620 » by 76ciology » Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:41 am

The cheers is sweeter when fans do boo, because you know its genuine

The key is players should love competition and not be charmee
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