Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets

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4 Questions

Poll ended at Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:35 am

Q1: Keep the GM
109
16%
Q1: Fire the GM
42
6%
Q2: Keep the coach
38
6%
Q2: Fire the coach
131
19%
Q3: Performed better than expected
4
1%
Q3: Performed as expected
21
3%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
161
24%
Q4: Rising Team
21
3%
Q4: Treadmill Team
54
8%
Q4: Waning Team
103
15%
 
Total votes: 684

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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#141 » by Rafael122 » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:35 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:They have $17 million in trade exceptions that expire in August, they would be fools not to use them. You can basically trade for 2 rotational pieces for picks that would never convey.


Hard to find salary dump type of trades that fit into the trade exceptions. Any ideas for players?

Alec Burks from the Knicks slides right into the Dinwiddie TPE, but the Knicks will want real compensation back.


There's going to be tax teams that want to cut salary. Looking at the price range, Royce O'Neale? Plumdog? Shamet? Nance? Oubre. IDK.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#142 » by KembaWalker » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:59 pm

i doubt most of the people picking waning would actually have Brooklyn doing worse than 7th seed next season. adding Simmons and Harris along with actually getting a full season of Kyrie and some better role players is easily a top 4 seed in the east. obviously health is the most important thing for them but they're far from waning yet
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#143 » by Flash4thewin » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:34 pm

KembaWalker wrote:i doubt most of the people picking waning would actually have Brooklyn doing worse than 7th seed next season. adding Simmons and Harris along with actually getting a full season of Kyrie and some better role players is easily a top 4 seed in the east. obviously health is the most important thing for them but they're far from waning yet


Thats a mighty optimistic take. Will Simmons feel right enough to play? Kyrie if retained is not an iron man, he has a tendency to get hurt. Then you add KD who is older and might have to carry the bulk of the weight for this team to even reach the playoffs.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#144 » by danvato » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:43 pm

Lalouie wrote:the nets are waning

if anyone thinks it'll get BETTER he's delusional!

kd and kyrie are past their peak so they won't be getting better which they have to do.

and that's all one has to know


This is a pure hater take.

Ben Simmons and Kyrie are extremely unreliable and betting on them is a huge risk, but it's far from delusional.

With all due respect, this team was missing it's 3rd and 4th best players (neither of which are injury prone). Last year they played without their 2nd and 3rd best players.

So yeah, they were way below expectations this year and they got swept, full stop. Thats end of the story for this year, but the book is far from closed on this version of the Nets. It'll be hard even at full strength, but to call it delusion is delusional.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#145 » by art_tatum » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:05 pm

I was never for trading those pieces for harden. I firmly believe we would’ve won a chip last year already and be defending it this year if the trade didn’t go down.

Now I guess we have no choice but to rely on Simmons. I hate that bc I dislike him as a person. We can move around role players but it’s down to how Simmons will play with kyrie and durant
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#146 » by danvato » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:11 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:the Nets will do their best to put a real team on the floor next season for the first time in 3 years.

- Front office needs to chill and not overhaul half the team, midseason. Find some useful guys and let them play a season together.
- Injuries and absences were brutal. Joe Harris and all their stars. Kyrie and Ben Simmons. Durant. Where did Aldridge go?
- Who was their most valuable player this year, Bruce Brown or Patty Mills? Nobody else played enough games to really qualify.
- Durant somehow played over 2000 minutes in only 55 games. He turns 34 in the offseason (side note: i have the same birthday as KD but I'm a year older).
- Keep Steve Nash unless internally they see him as bad. Firing him now is a pure optics move. Guy coached a different team every 2 weeks. The FO gave him only old big men to start the season, and then made him finish it with only small guards. It was insanity. We have no idea if he's a bad coach. I would like to see him coach in more normal circumstances so maybe he should just quit and get a better coaching job lol.
- Find some good defenders who can stay on the floor in the playoffs and then promise us no more injuries and no more transactions.


wow, i always feel like reading your every post. That is the most honest take on the Nets i've seen, and you're not even a Nets fan.

If the 8 players currently under contract will play, and play enough to develop some chemistry, the Nets will be just fine.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#147 » by danvato » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:17 pm

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GeorgeSears wrote:Kyrie killed their entire season due to pure narcissism. You can try to distribute the blame all you want but, in the end, Kyrie gets 100%.

Lets say Kyrie played all season whats the difference ?
they lost 4-0


the only response this warrants is you are a hater.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#148 » by AussieCeltic » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:14 pm

I don't like the Nets, but I'm a firm believer if they get a healthy Simmons and Harris, they can be a 55-60 win team as constructed.

Simmons for all the hate he gets, is still a heck of a player. He can't shoot? Yeh we'll neither can Draymond Green and that's the exact role he'll be asked to play. Play all nba first team defense, run the fast break, dribble hand off type actions with KD/Kyrie and roll to the basket to either dunk it or make the extra pass to an open man. The reason teams don't sag off Draymond is because the Warriors run a simple dribble hand off for Curry/Klay/Poole and Draymonds defender is standing 10 feet off them for an open shot. It took Bud up until game 3 against the Nets last season to use this play with Giannis and Doc Rivers was too stupid to use it with Simmons in Philly.

They just need to fill out the roster with lengthier defensive wings who can shoot and potentially a big man that can stretch the floor plus defend and they're back in contender mode.

They 100% need to get rid of Nash though. For one of the smartest guards in the league, relying on iso heavy offense against that Boston D was the dumbest thing a coach could do.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#149 » by LewisnotMiller » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:18 am

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Dick Tate wrote:The Nets are the car wreck you can't look away from. I hope they run it back.

And yet, we would have won all 4 of those games if Nash had played Blake Griffin more (only played 2 games, and 12.5 minutes per game).


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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#150 » by DroseReturnChi » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:52 am

KembaWalker wrote:i doubt most of the people picking waning would actually have Brooklyn doing worse than 7th seed next season. adding Simmons and Harris along with actually getting a full season of Kyrie and some better role players is easily a top 4 seed in the east. obviously health is the most important thing for them but they're far from waning yet


harris is cooked lol. expecting anything out of him is homer take. you already have ben and kyrie dnps. you cant have bench guys not contributing hes number 1 trade target offseason.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#151 » by Lalouie » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:10 am

danvato wrote:
Lalouie wrote:the nets are waning

if anyone thinks it'll get BETTER he's delusional!

kd and kyrie are past their peak so they won't be getting better which they have to do.

and that's all one has to know


This is a pure hater take.

Ben Simmons and Kyrie are extremely unreliable and betting on them is a huge risk, but it's far from delusional.

With all due respect, this team was missing it's 3rd and 4th best players (neither of which are injury prone). Last year they played without their 2nd and 3rd best players.

So yeah, they were way below expectations this year and they got swept, full stop. Thats end of the story for this year, but the book is far from closed on this version of the Nets. It'll be hard even at full strength, but to call it delusion is delusional.



well, the question right now is simmon's health both mental and physical because there's the recurring back thing and he just a few days ago said he is mentally not there. how long does this tarrying go on?

and kyrie just said he's coming back and oh by the way he's placed himself firmly in the negotiations of the nets' future. the dude has a terribly overblown illusion of his importance and it's detremental. it's classic "inmates running the asylum"

all the older stars are on their tail end. ALL, not just the nets. which means they are getting older while the younger teams are maturing. "age" has a different pace with different teams.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#152 » by R-DAWG » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:20 am

In 2019, the Nets made the decision to go into the Kevin Durant business. That business came with a tax of Kyrie Irving, and the need the cater to Durant, which meant also catering to Kyrie. But you got Kevin Durant, although coming off a major injury, for the back end of his prime years, and with it, a chance to compete for championships. At this point, it hasn't worked out as planned, but let's not forget, they were inches away from being in the conference finals last year, with a very real shot to win it all. Almost anyone would have done what the Nets did when they had the chance. It's much easier to rebuild the scrappy #8 seed type of team than have a true contender with one of the top players in his generation.

Having said that, this year was a disaster for them. Kyrie's vaccine issue, Durant's mid season injury, Harden demanding a trade and Simmons coming in and not playing. Sure, some of it was self inflected (Kyrie). Basically a lost season, which is hard to accept when your franchise player is 33 years old.

Going forward, the Nets remain in the Kevin Durant business, so what do you do with the Kyrie Irving contract extension? You ask Kevin Durant what he wants you to do and then you do it. Same with Steve Nash.

Other than those huge decisions, let's look at the current roster. The Boston series showed that they desperately need size/length and athleticism on the perimeter. And in a lot of ways, Ben Simmons (health and mental health issues aside) fits like a glove. At his best he is an ace on the defensive end of the floor who can guard the other teams best player regardless of position. And offensively, he can facilitate, especially in transition, and could excel surrounded by the shooting and offensive fire power the Nets can roll out. Obviously, your concerned about his health, his desire to be an NBA player, and his jump shot. But since his value is at an all-time low, it probably makes more sense to run it back and see how he looks with KD/Kyrie.

But having Simmons on the court creates another problem - you don't want to play him extended minutes with a rim running big like Nic Claxton or Andre Drummond. In a perfect world, Brooklyn would go out and get a stretch 5 and run a jumbo lineup of Simmons-KD-Stretch 5. Assuming they can't get a 30mpg guy in that roll and are looking in the Dwayne Dedmond/Serge Ibaka minimum types, assuming Simmons is playing about 33 MPG, you want to run him at C in small lineups for 12 of those minutes, play him with the stretch big for about 15 MPG, which limits you to about 5-7 MPG with Simmons and Claxton on the floor. On the trade front, Christain Wood would be my target, but Brooklyn would likely need to give up both Mills and Curry (or just Joe Harris if they found a taker) along with the Philly 1st. I still might do that considering on what other moves are out there.

But it might make more sense to use assets on getting 2 way wings with size. Joe Harris, Patty Mills, and Seth Curry are all similar versions of the same type of player and Brooklyn does not need all 3. I would be floating all 3 of them, along with the Philly 1st to bring back a 2 way wing. I would also be dangling that pick with the $11.4MM Dinwiddie TPE to land a 2 way wing. It's a hard bucket to fill as a lot of teams need these kinds of players.

Some trade ideas:

Reggie Bullock from Dallas for the TPE and a pair of 2nd rd picks. Gets Dallas room under the tax to resign Brunson and some additional draft capital.

Josh Richardson from San Antonio for Seth Curry and either Cam Thomas or Day'Ron Sharpe

Both guys are big bodies who can defend multiple positions and hit 3's at an above average clip and would slide in as the starting shooting guard.

Assuming they make the above referenced Wood trade and Bullock trade, while also resigning Brown and Claxton

Wood/Claxton
Simmons
Durant/Harris
Bullock/Brown
Irving/

They would need to use the taxpayer MLE on a backup PG, and another combo forward who can eat backup minutes would also be valuable - brining in Carmelo while also retaining Blake Griffin would be ideal. They also still have the DeAndre Jordan TPE and some rookie scale guys they can move as well.

At the end of the day, if Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are healthy, the Nets have a chance to win any and every series they play. If they are not, they don't. The roster needs improvements around the edges, but the roster has flexibility with two decent sized TPE's, a few manageable contracts (Curry, Mills), a Philly FRP and a couple of rookie scale guys. Also, a front office that has been good at finding players in the margins. It's going to require ownership to spend deep into the tax.

But for as bad as this season was in Brooklyn, they still are not in a horrible place.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#153 » by HiDef » Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:32 am

Nash just doesn't look prepared to be an NBA head coach. Saying he doesn't deserve to be fired, it was a tough year, you don't win a championship that way. Has he done anything that shows he should even have a job in this league?

You're about to play Ben Simmons, you need KD and him to play at the 5, and with the health and age you really don't have another year to **** around and find out if Nash can actually coach.

Nets I think aren't panicking enough. Kyrie and Durant were both healthy. They got swept. The NBA defense rules might be a bunch of BS in the regular season but teams are playing harder defense in these playoffs. You can't just assume you're getting 60 on 60% from 31 year old Kyrie and 34 year old Durant next year.

Weird series- apparently it was the lowest point differential ever in a sweep. Reason #100000000 to just fire Steve Nash for the love of God.

Anyways, I can't stand this team. Watching Nash sit around with that dumb stoic face, IDC if he jumped the line, but a spade is a spade: he was never qualified, and he got this job by riding KD's coattails. Kyrie who seriously needs psychiatric help. Durant calling himself a God on twitter. Ben Simmons who'd rather wear designer clothes on the bench. Playing in that high school gym they call the Barclays center. Never seen such a plastic basketball team, no heart, no identity, just a total clown show.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#154 » by Tomhomes33 » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:18 am

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It’s too good to be stuck here....it’s toooooo much - my name is Kevin


Haha..super funny..the only missing piece in this bus is Westbrook:) !!
Imagine him (if he signs after LA buys him out) and Ben in street clothes sitting on the bench..that would be fashion show every dam night..actually Nets could profit from this..TV ratings would skyrocket on that..and there is the money for Kyrie..when he cant play because he is upset Musk bought Twitter or something..
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#155 » by harlem_ball » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:23 am

As long as the Nets have Durant and Kyrie healthy they are a contender. They need a year of retooling and a real coach and perhaps they will reach their potential.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#156 » by BK_2020 » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:52 pm

harlem_ball wrote:As long as the Nets have Durant and Kyrie healthy they are a contender. They need a year of retooling and a real coach and perhaps they will reach their potential.

They had Durant and Kyrie healthy and they got swept. :wink:
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#157 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:32 pm

Really, they are Lakers East: their best player is ageing, their second best player misses too many games for whatever reason and the rest of the roster is old guys who used to be good and 12th men. Both teams are in luxury tax hell, so forget about free agents, at least in the short term.

The Nets do have draft picks, so they are ahead of the Lakers in that respect. The Lakers will be tanking for the Pelicans, not themselves.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#158 » by harlem_ball » Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:39 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
harlem_ball wrote:As long as the Nets have Durant and Kyrie healthy they are a contender. They need a year of retooling and a real coach and perhaps they will reach their potential.

They had Durant and Kyrie healthy and they got swept. :wink:


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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#159 » by R-DAWG » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:11 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Really, they are Lakers East: their best player is ageing, their second best player misses too many games for whatever reason and the rest of the roster is old guys who used to be good and 12th men. Both teams are in luxury tax hell, so forget about free agents, at least in the short term.

The Nets do have draft picks, so they are ahead of the Lakers in that respect. The Lakers will be tanking for the Pelicans, not themselves.


The Nets might be Lakers east, but they are in better shape IMO:

1) Durant is 34 whereas Lebron is 38.
2) Their third star, Ben Simmons, is younger and less expensive than Westbrook, who is just a big expiring at this point, and his defensive abilities and versatility make him a much better fit with his co-stars than Westbrook
3) They have more in terms of rookie scale players (Thomas, Sharpe, Edwards) then the Lakers (Austin Reaves)
4) They have more moveable contracts with Mills and Curry (and Harris) vs Kendrick Nunn (and THT)
5) Bruce Brown and Nic Claxton could potentially bring back an asset in a sign and trade if they are not resigned, and are quality back end of rotation guys. The Lakers only have one guy in Stanley Johnson who potentially fits this bucket.
6) They have more current draft capital to trade
7) Their owner is more willing to spend than the Buss family
8) Their GM (not co-GM Kyrie Irving) has a track record of finding rotation contributors in the margins

The main thing the Lakers have going for them is that Davis is better than Irving when healthy, and less of a head case.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets 

Post#160 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:52 pm

Yes, the Nets are in better shape if they can actually convince Ben Simmons to play basketball.
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