2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Zeno]

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[Morris_Shatford]

Not necessarily for the Raptors;
But more a question of market value.

What is Taurean Prince worth in FA this summer?

[YogurtProducer]

I know it's easy to just include Fred in every trade package moving forward but the Man is considered a Leader in Masai and Bobby's eyes. And not to mention, they know he's been injured since the All-Star break

This is the revolving door of fandom.
A few months ago when OG was hurt he was the guy being offered around the trade board for mid-lotto picks because he was always injured and he had plateaued as a player @ 24, today its FVV.

The likelihood that Masai and Co do anything drastic (unless its a no brainer) after what I think almost all of us can agree is an over-achievement this season is minimal.

These guys were arguably amongst the best teams in the NBA from January onward, I don't see them not getting the opportunity to run it back and see what it looks like next year.

And we were the best while FVV was hobbled.

But on that note, FVV is a prime trade candidate. His salary matches well with an OG/GTJ throw in and we could in theory go after a max guy if someone requests a trade.

Would we trade FVV/OG or FVV/GTJ for a guy who makes near that money? Options include Rudy Gobert, Jamal Murray, SGA, KD (imagine if we requested out lol), Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell.

I really don't know if I could justify trading 2 of our best 3-point shooters for just one guy. Is a GTJ/Siakam/Scottie/Gobert/??? lineup any better than what we got now (I don't think so). So I think we would almost have to go FVV/GTJ for a guard. Best case is a SGA trade request and we trade FVV/GTJ (IDK why OKC accepts that), and we go SGA/OG/Siakam/Scottie/Achiwua. That team I think is better than this year if Scottie gets to 35ish from 3 and Achiwua actually is a 35-40% shooter on 6ish threes a night.

[YogurtProducer]

Not necessarily for the Raptors;
But more a question of market value.

What is Taurean Prince worth in FA this summer?

I would love Prince here

[Morris_Shatford]

FVV is a prime trade candidate. His salary matches well with an OG/GTJ throw in and we could in theory go after a max guy if someone requests a trade.

Would we trade FVV/OG or FVV/GTJ for a guy who makes near that money? Options include Rudy Gobert, Jamal Murray, SGA, KD (imagine if we requested out lol), Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell.

Sure, if a star asks out and its a logical fit we have the salaries (including and not limited to FVV), prospects, and control of our FRPs beyond this year to make the sort of deal that could land you said star.

The thing is I am not sure if Masai sells the farm this summer to add one player.

He may, but based on what we have seen with his propensity for "evaluation" I can't imagine a scenario where his team exceeds its expectations be it as a result of roster construction, leadership, organic growth, or whatever to then move two starters and hope that the system continues to run as it did or improve.

Masai is Masai and could turn around if draft day and do something unexpected;
I am just not holding out too much hope that the roster in training camp short of adding some bench shooting and size is going to look all that different than it does now.

[Morris_Shatford]

Not necessarily for the Raptors;
But more a question of market value.

What is Taurean Prince worth in FA this summer?

I would love Prince here

He seems like a fit
But it was more a discussion I was having with a Wolves fan as to what value he would command on the open market and honestly I have no idea

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Not necessarily for the Raptors;
But more a question of market value.

What is Taurean Prince worth in FA this summer?

I would love Prince here

He seems like a fit
But it was more a discussion I was having with a Wolves fan as to what value he would command on the open market and honestly I have no idea

I’d be surprised if he got anywhere close to the MLE.

[SirKen]

FVV is a prime trade candidate. His salary matches well with an OG/GTJ throw in and we could in theory go after a max guy if someone requests a trade.

Would we trade FVV/OG or FVV/GTJ for a guy who makes near that money? Options include Rudy Gobert, Jamal Murray, SGA, KD (imagine if we requested out lol), Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell.

Sure, if a star asks out and its a logical fit we have the salaries (including and not limited to FVV), prospects, and control of our FRPs beyond this year to make the sort of deal that could land you said star.

The thing is I am not sure if Masai sells the farm this summer to add one player.

He may, but based on what we have seen with his propensity for "evaluation" I can't imagine a scenario where his team exceeds its expectations be it as a result of roster construction, leadership, organic growth, or whatever to then move two starters and hope that the system continues to run as it did or improve.

Masai is Masai and could turn around if draft day and do something unexpected;
I am just not holding out too much hope that the roster in training camp short of adding some bench shooting and size is going to look all that different than it does now.

Both Fred and Trent will opt out of their contracts next summer. If you are not planning to pay them the asking price, it is absolutely worth to consolidate them for a disgruntled star.

[Morris_Shatford]

Both Fred and Trent will opt out of their contracts next summer. If you are not planning to pay them the asking price, it is absolutely worth to consolidate them for a disgruntled star.

Sure,
If you are not planning to pay them then you should most certainly trade them as soon as possible.
I am just not entirely sure Masai and Co aren't willing to pay them.

[Ell Curry]

I know it's easy to just include Fred in every trade package moving forward but the Man is considered a Leader in Masai and Bobby's eyes. And not to mention, they know he's been injured since the All-Star break

This is the revolving door of fandom.
A few months ago when OG was hurt he was the guy being offered around the trade board for mid-lotto picks because he was always injured and he had plateaued as a player @ 24, today its FVV.

The likelihood that Masai and Co do anything drastic (unless its a no brainer) after what I think almost all of us can agree is an over-achievement this season is minimal.

These guys were arguably amongst the best teams in the NBA from January onward, I don't see them not getting the opportunity to run it back and see what it looks like next year.

I'd be surprised if we do anything other than keep Boucher and Thad and sign an MLE guy for 10M and draft a project at #33.

It's much easier to do a trade with 20+M of short Boucher and Thad deals then it is this summer. I started an MLE thread since I think other than the #33 pick that's the main thing we should be discussing off-season wise on here, but it didn't get much traction: viewtopic.php?t=2167461&start=20

Though I probably should not have limited it to guards and included bigs, like Hartenstein.

At the moment, I'd guess we offer one of Bruce Brown or Payton the full MLE but so do multiple other teams and the stay with their teams. Then maybe Ingles on a 1 year deal. He can shoot and pass and is big and international. Or a complete project we look at as a draft pick, though no idea who that would be.

Another guy who would likely get matched but would be interesting is Lonnie Walker Jr. He's only 23 and would have had a breakout year if his 3pt shooting hadn't been bad (31%) but on high volume and he's a 78% FT guy so on a 2 year deal might be intriguing to us if we think he's actually a 37%+ 3pt shooter like he was going into this year for his career.

[Mattatron]

FVV is a prime trade candidate. His salary matches well with an OG/GTJ throw in and we could in theory go after a max guy if someone requests a trade.

Would we trade FVV/OG or FVV/GTJ for a guy who makes near that money? Options include Rudy Gobert, Jamal Murray, SGA, KD (imagine if we requested out lol), Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell.

Sure, if a star asks out and its a logical fit we have the salaries (including and not limited to FVV), prospects, and control of our FRPs beyond this year to make the sort of deal that could land you said star.

The thing is I am not sure if Masai sells the farm this summer to add one player.

He may, but based on what we have seen with his propensity for "evaluation" I can't imagine a scenario where his team exceeds its expectations be it as a result of roster construction, leadership, organic growth, or whatever to then move two starters and hope that the system continues to run as it did or improve.

Masai is Masai and could turn around if draft day and do something unexpected;
I am just not holding out too much hope that the roster in training camp short of adding some bench shooting and size is going to look all that different than it does now.

Both Fred and Trent will opt out of their contracts next summer. If you are not planning to pay them the asking price, it is absolutely worth to consolidate them for a disgruntled star.

I don't see any disgruntled star, and tbh don't want a player like this on the team. Kawhi was an exception and was one and done with us. raptors only can build through draft (our biggest capital, and low-key moves of the sort of Lowry, Ibaka, Gasol. I would only be ready trading for a disgruntled star when the raps are really close to a title (like 2015-2020, we build on that core through the years and had an awesome stretch and it ended being maybe one of the best balanced and defensive team in history with a chip). and right now the raptors are a bit away from being a serious contending team. going for a trade this summer is a bit risky, bcause of contract situation (how long will he be under contract), then u have lesser assets to add some depth...I think its very important, if you want to win a title, the first thing u do, is building the fundamental and strengthen the core through the years....just wait.

[Madhouse]

Both Fred and Trent will opt out of their contracts next summer. If you are not planning to pay them the asking price, it is absolutely worth to consolidate them for a disgruntled star.

Sure,
If you are not planning to pay them then you should most certainly trade them as soon as possible.
I am just not entirely sure Masai and Co aren't willing to pay them.

You are almost certainly right.

They will get paid by Toronto.

[YogurtProducer]

Both Fred and Trent will opt out of their contracts next summer. If you are not planning to pay them the asking price, it is absolutely worth to consolidate them for a disgruntled star.

Sure,
If you are not planning to pay them then you should most certainly trade them as soon as possible.
I am just not entirely sure Masai and Co aren't willing to pay them.

Yeah it’s disgruntled star or pay them. I hate losing players for nothing. Would rather “treadmill” than lose them and have to sell other guys and tank in Scottie’s formative years

[Asif16]

Dont see a massive trade happening. Most likely will be another season of growth next year (Scottie, Gary, Precious).

But with that being said....Masai needs to overhaul the bench. Adding a Combo guard should be Priority #1.

1. Trade Birch and Svi Salaries for a better depth player.

2. Target a Guard using our MLE.

[Scottie4Bro]

I don't see the same starting core working out next season. Too many egos, too many mouths to feed on O. You risk either creating a lot of tension if the top guys this year are bumped down the totem pole due to Scottie, Trent, or Precious getting way better, or you risk having the exact same setup with Scottie being a 5th option despite becoming a better player.

We're in a good situation where Pascal, Fred, OG, and even GTJ are all good trade chips right now. See what you can get for each or a combination of the available 4, and evaluate. You could go the disgruntled star consolidation route, or you could go the elite young prospect route and give the 1st option reigns to one of Fred or Pascal and let them steer the ship for a couple years with some scrappy playoff experience for the lads while Scottie and whoever evolve.

[Raptorfan2012]

Not necessarily for the Raptors;
But more a question of market value.

What is Taurean Prince worth in FA this summer?

I would love Prince here

We have too many forwards ready with OG, Pascal, and Scottie plus Boucher, Thad, and possibly Champaine getting more minutes. Back up guard and a bigger C are more pressing IMO

[YogurtProducer]

Not necessarily for the Raptors;
But more a question of market value.

What is Taurean Prince worth in FA this summer?

I would love Prince here

We have too many forwards ready with OG, Pascal, and Scottie plus Boucher, Thad, and possibly Champaine getting more minutes. Back up guard and a bigger C are more pressing IMO

Prince is a really good 3 point shooter though. Can never have to many wings who can shoot, and with our team looking like it is going to big ball it makes sense.

I cannot see Toronto abandoning the big experiment especially when we looked our best this series with FVV out and really, with GTJ on the bench. We got killed as we have no shooting, so Prince makes a lot of sense

[anotherhomer]

I don't see the same starting core working out next season. Too many egos, too many mouths to feed on O. You risk either creating a lot of tension if the top guys this year are bumped down the totem pole due to Scottie, Trent, or Precious getting way better, or you risk having the exact same setup with Scottie being a 5th option despite becoming a better player.

We're in a good situation where Pascal, Fred, OG, and even GTJ are all good trade chips right now. See what you can get for each or a combination of the available 4, and evaluate. You could go the disgruntled star consolidation route, or you could go the elite young prospect route and give the 1st option reigns to one of Fred or Pascal and let them steer the ship for a couple years with some scrappy playoff experience for the lads while Scottie and whoever evolve.

there isn't a clear consolidation trade available that make sense for both sides
and teams like OKC has better assets for a consolidation trade

What's interesting is....would you guys theoretically trade Barnes for Edwards Anthony?

[anotherhomer]

Not necessarily for the Raptors;
But more a question of market value.

What is Taurean Prince worth in FA this summer?

I would love Prince here

We have too many forwards ready with OG, Pascal, and Scottie plus Boucher, Thad, and possibly Champaine getting more minutes. Back up guard and a bigger C are more pressing IMO

honestly, i see them keeping Thad and swapping Boucher for a real center

[HumbleRen]

I don't see the same starting core working out next season. Too many egos, too many mouths to feed on O. You risk either creating a lot of tension if the top guys this year are bumped down the totem pole due to Scottie, Trent, or Precious getting way better, or you risk having the exact same setup with Scottie being a 5th option despite becoming a better player.

We're in a good situation where Pascal, Fred, OG, and even GTJ are all good trade chips right now. See what you can get for each or a combination of the available 4, and evaluate. You could go the disgruntled star consolidation route, or you could go the elite young prospect route and give the 1st option reigns to one of Fred or Pascal and let them steer the ship for a couple years with some scrappy playoff experience for the lads while Scottie and whoever evolve.

What's interesting is....would you guys theoretically trade Barnes for Edwards Anthony?

huh ?? Minny would never trade Ant Man for Barnes lol