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2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

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Do you truly expect the Suns to win the finals this year?

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7041 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:20 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I see. That game plan was in effect last yr too, as mugging CP coast to coast is the best defensive deterrent when facing the Suns, Book or not.

I was raining on Saber’s roster content parade. This is the all in on CP syndrome… and to a lesser degree Crowder and now Shamet and Payne. Monte don’t want to and James just won’t(can’t) trade any of these guys as it’s counter to the ‘We are Family’ routine sans Willie Stargell

I’m not sold on this roster obviously… but the superior play of stars seems to be what wins championships. At least we have two that can pull that load…

Next yr will be here all too soon and Outside of Mikal and CamJo taking big steps forward, Sham and CPayne to be more consistent, we lack the ability to get much better.


This is the yr folks. You do not get many chances.


Once Paul is gone with no PG back up plan (that we know of) in place, or even with one, it will be a huge downgrade from Paul. The only + is that Ayton and Bridges and Cam would all be more utilized and I think they still have upside and those parts will be better.

The only possibility to potentially come close to maintaining our level is if Book can basically play a Harden/Doncic role and do the primary ball handler and we can get a solid secondary guy for the other guard spot who can handle and shoot. Bridges is a great passer when he needs to be and can handle so it could be him if we get a PF with better size and move Cam to starting at the 3. We could handle bigger teams too.

I still think even a steady not so expensive PG like Tyus Jones would be fine. Can shoot, has very high ast/to ratio and is a high iq player. I think Bridges and Ayton can regularly take more shots like they did last night with Paul out and be efficient so we don't need some PG who can take over, just someone who is smart and steady.

But yes, this year we have as good as opportunity as ever with a guy like Chris Paul being the most clutch guy in the NBA I think and Booker up there near the top as well, as long as our role player shooting turns around. Our defense can keep us in pretty much any game. The competition just may be tougher in the WCF and Finals, as well as the 2nd round will be tougher than Denver could give us last year.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7042 » by King4Day » Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:26 pm

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7043 » by LV-Suns » Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:45 pm

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Eh I doubt there is any truth to this. McD was already fired before Luka even played a game. We just spend 2 first round picks to acquire Bridges the same summer, doubt we were just gonna turn around and flip that Dennis frickin Smith. Seems like this guy is just talking out of his ass.
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Post#7044 » by Revived » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:04 pm

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That’s funny I just saw his tweet yesterday about Bridges

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7045 » by King4Day » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:28 pm

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Eh I doubt there is any truth to this. McD was already fired before Luka even played a game. We just spend 2 first round picks to acquire Bridges the same summer, doubt we were just gonna turn around and flip that Dennis frickin Smith. Seems like this guy is just talking out of his ass.


Thinking about this further, didn't the Mavs trade DSJ to NY for Porzingis? That would have been before the Luka pick if i'm not mistaken.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7046 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:36 pm

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Eh I doubt there is any truth to this. McD was already fired before Luka even played a game. We just spend 2 first round picks to acquire Bridges the same summer, doubt we were just gonna turn around and flip that Dennis frickin Smith. Seems like this guy is just talking out of his ass.
Yeah, that's some bs misleading tweet.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7047 » by phx#7 » Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:22 pm

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Eh I doubt there is any truth to this. McD was already fired before Luka even played a game. We just spend 2 first round picks to acquire Bridges the same summer, doubt we were just gonna turn around and flip that Dennis frickin Smith. Seems like this guy is just talking out of his ass.


Sounds more like wishful thinking on his part, or something he brought up to the Mavs front office because the timing makes no sense. The only time Mikal could have been traded by McD was after the draft but before he signed his rookie contract. I don't see anyway the Suns trade Mikal before he even gets to camp after giving up what they did for him.

After signing his rookie deal he wouldn't be able to be traded until Dec and McD was long gone by then.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7048 » by King4Day » Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:38 pm

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Eh I doubt there is any truth to this. McD was already fired before Luka even played a game. We just spend 2 first round picks to acquire Bridges the same summer, doubt we were just gonna turn around and flip that Dennis frickin Smith. Seems like this guy is just talking out of his ass.


Sounds more like wishful thinking on his part, or something he brought up to the Mavs front office because the timing makes no sense. The only time Mikal could have been traded by McD was after the draft but before he signed his rookie contract. I don't see anyway the Suns trade Mikal before he even gets to camp after giving up what they did for him.

After signing his rookie deal he wouldn't be able to be traded until Dec and McD was long gone by then.


If Dallas got Mikal....he and Luka would own the league for the next decade.
True or not, I'm glad it didn't happen.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7049 » by starbosa10 » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:07 pm

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LV-Suns wrote:Eh I doubt there is any truth to this. McD was already fired before Luka even played a game. We just spend 2 first round picks to acquire Bridges the same summer, doubt we were just gonna turn around and flip that Dennis frickin Smith. Seems like this guy is just talking out of his ass.


Sounds more like wishful thinking on his part, or something he brought up to the Mavs front office because the timing makes no sense. The only time Mikal could have been traded by McD was after the draft but before he signed his rookie contract. I don't see anyway the Suns trade Mikal before he even gets to camp after giving up what they did for him.

After signing his rookie deal he wouldn't be able to be traded until Dec and McD was long gone by then.


If Dallas got Mikal....he and Luka would own the league for the next decade.
True or not, I'm glad it didn't happen.
Book, DA, and Bridges is a great future in PHX

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7050 » by JDJ26 » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:17 pm

starbosa10 wrote:
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Sounds more like wishful thinking on his part, or something he brought up to the Mavs front office because the timing makes no sense. The only time Mikal could have been traded by McD was after the draft but before he signed his rookie contract. I don't see anyway the Suns trade Mikal before he even gets to camp after giving up what they did for him.

After signing his rookie deal he wouldn't be able to be traded until Dec and McD was long gone by then.


If Dallas got Mikal....he and Luka would own the league for the next decade.
True or not, I'm glad it didn't happen.
Book, DA, and Bridges is a great future in PHX

Hopefully Sarver agrees


Sarver isn't leaving is he?

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7051 » by King4Day » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:43 am

JDJ26 wrote:
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If Dallas got Mikal....he and Luka would own the league for the next decade.
True or not, I'm glad it didn't happen.
Book, DA, and Bridges is a great future in PHX

Hopefully Sarver agrees


Sarver isn't leaving is he?

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Given how visible he's been making himself, I don't think that he believes he'll get the axe.
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Post#7052 » by King4Day » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:56 am

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7053 » by bwoolf2 » Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:03 am

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#7054 » by bigfoot » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:22 am

Frank Lee wrote:I see. That game plan was in effect last yr too, as mugging CP coast to coast is the best defensive deterrent when facing the Suns, Book or not.

I was raining on Saber’s roster content parade. This is the all in on CP syndrome… and to a lesser degree Crowder and now Shamet and Payne. Monte don’t want to and James just won’t(can’t) trade any of these guys as it’s counter to the ‘We are Family’ routine sans Willie Stargell

I’m not sold on this roster obviously… but the superior play of stars seems to be what wins championships. At least we have two that can pull that load…

Next yr will be here all too soon and Outside of Mikal and CamJo taking big steps forward, Sham and CPayne to be more consistent, we lack the ability to get much better.


This is the yr folks. You do not get many chances.


Yes, this is obviously the year if the Suns can survive the Booker injury. The west gets tougher with injured players from the Clips and Nuggets returning and the possible emergence of the Pelicans.

The Suns should probably treadmill with the same group of CP3, Book, Ayton, Bridges, Crowder, Camjo, Payne, Shamet, Craig, and Saric. Dario is a wildcard and still a quality backup for Ayton and Crowder. That's ten returning players under contract. Our scoring will continue to come from Booker and Ayton with one of Bridges or CamJo stepping up as CP3 declines. If Booker, Ayton, and Bridges are the future big three then the rest of the team needs to be gritty defenders that can hit open shots in the system. Defense wins championships.

The Suns hold qualifying offers for Holiday and Wainwright. I could see them picking up Ish's contract as he fits the role of gritty defender and maybe a Crowder replacement when his contract expires. Holiday ... it would be nice to figure out a way to bring him back but not at his qualifying offer.

To me, the real wildcards are the four contract players and two two-way players coming in. Everybody raves about these Pelican's rookies and what they are doing in playoffs. Do we realize Jones, Alvarado, and Murphy all played to their junior and senior years in college? They are 23 years old and ready to compete ... just add water. Next season Jones needs to run with the 10 returning players and continue to build for the future by bringing in these older rookies or older international players. Bring back McGee but don't waste time with guys like Payton or Kaminsky.

This year's Alvarado was last year's Payne and there are plenty of gritty, long defenders who have been overlooked and want to break into or make a comeback to the league next year. The culture is set and now is the time to bring in these older rookies.
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Post#7056 » by Revived » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:22 pm

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Makes sense. Very few (if any?) of the players who were star players end up being successful coaches in the NBA.

Jared Dudley for example will probably make a fine NBA head coach some day though.
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Post#7058 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:03 pm

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That's great to see Ayton up there near the top. And that doesn't even count all the times he stays in front of his guy and the guy decides not to shoot and passes out, which happens quite a bit.
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Post#7059 » by schnakenpopanz » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:48 am

What to do with our back up guards.
I think it is quite obv that Shamet and Payne ain't it.
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Post#7060 » by drsd » Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:57 am

schnakenpopanz wrote:What to do with our back up guards.
I think it is quite obv that Shamet and Payne ain't it.


Magic fan here.

I had forgotten Elfrid Payton was a Sun. Is his sub 40 eFG% the worst in Suns history? I am trying to swallow the notion that Payton could/might-become an NBA champion.


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