Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Atlanta Hawks

[Sothron]

I think its interesting that Atlanta had a disappointing regular season followed by a sad showing in the playoffs and the position of some Hawks fans is any criticism is trolling.

I'd be taking the approach we have too much talent to accept this and would be looking for some changes, particularly defensively. Not just thinking if the world didn't have this crazy bias against the Hawks for reasons they can't possibly provide we'd win every game.....

Considering that no Hawks fan has said any criticism is trolling I'd love to see you provide examples of a Hawks fan saying any criticism is trolling. Please, show us. Otherwise I'd hate to think a mod is making blanket statements about a fanbase that is directly against the TOS for attacking a fanbase. Especially as a mod.

If you looked at actual reality, which I realize is a stretch for some posters, data and facts have been provided. The Hawks were over .600 until the Dec to mid Jan stretch where the team was playing non NBA players and G league as starters. The rest of the season from mid Jan to the end of the season the team was again over .600. That's two thirds of a season (give or take) of playing over .600 ball in a much tougher Eastern than Western conference. And yet still if the Hawks were in the West they would have been the fifth seed and still finished several games over .500 and won two must win games to make the playoffs.

So we can dwell on the one third of the season where the team was facing massive injuries and covid issues or the other two thirds of the season where the actual Hawks played. The playoffs were "sad" only because of injuries. We only had two starters healthy in the series.

I hope the Hawks improve this offseason by adding a second star to the team but anyone thinks this past team was a bad team is ignoring reality or letting their own bias show through.

[DTP]

Wrong thread oops*

[ReddoverKobe]

I think its interesting that Atlanta had a disappointing regular season followed by a sad showing in the playoffs and the position of some Hawks fans is any criticism is trolling.

I'd be taking the approach we have too much talent to accept this and would be looking for some changes, particularly defensively. Not just thinking if the world didn't have this crazy bias against the Hawks for reasons they can't possibly provide we'd win every game.....

I mean its one delusional hawks fan right. We all know who it is and now that the hawks lost hes basically just whining about it. Sad to be honest.

[leo7]

Saw this today in article on the Athletic by Chris Kirschner.

Despite all of Young’s struggles, the Hawks still had a chance to send this game to overtime. With 5.2 seconds left on the clock and their season on the line, the Hawks needed a 3 to tie. McMillan said Young, who finished the game 0-of-5 from 3, was the first option on the play he drew up. What makes that interesting is that, while McMillan drew on his dry-erase board, Young wasn’t involved in the huddle. He sat on the bench and stared directly ahead, away from McMillan, as John Collins and Danilo Gallinari blocked his view of the huddle. When they broke as a team, Young was already walking toward the court.

What then transpired was about the worst end-of-game play you’ll see, considering the stakes. For someone who was supposedly the No. 1 option on the play, Young didn’t break free for the ball. He ran into Onyeka Okongwu’s back, then backpedaled away from Delon Wright, who inbounded the ball. When Wright passed it to Gallinari, who was trapped in the corner, Young did not attempt to break toward Gallinari in the hope he’d throw a wraparound pass. Instead, Gallinari tried passing the ball toward the paint when they needed a 3, and the ball was stolen. The Hawks didn’t get a shot off to save their season.

How can a coach be drawing up a play for a player not there. I thought it hurt the Hawks to have done so well last season that McMillan got the full-time job. He's really not been good in his previous jobs.

It seems like Trae is ready to move on from Nate McMillan. His body language through out the last few games in the series was terrible. It's like he didn't want to play anymore.

[Texas Chuck]

I think its interesting that Atlanta had a disappointing regular season followed by a sad showing in the playoffs and the position of some Hawks fans is any criticism is trolling.

I'd be taking the approach we have too much talent to accept this and would be looking for some changes, particularly defensively. Not just thinking if the world didn't have this crazy bias against the Hawks for reasons they can't possibly provide we'd win every game.....

Considering that no Hawks fan has said any criticism is trolling I'd love to see you provide examples of a Hawks fan saying any criticism is trolling. Please, show us. Otherwise I'd hate to think a mod is making blanket statements about a fanbase that is directly against the TOS for attacking a fanbase. Especially as a mod.

I.

some Hawks fans is an accurate statement. So hardly a blanket statement.

But so you are crystal clear if you want to report me for being mean.... I'm speaking of you.

I didn't even attack the posters I was talking about much less a fanbase. I just hate that attitude. But again feel free to report me if you think disagreeing with your approach is an attack on all things Atlanta...

Persecution complexes suck. But you do you.

[Sothron]

I think its interesting that Atlanta had a disappointing regular season followed by a sad showing in the playoffs and the position of some Hawks fans is any criticism is trolling.

I'd be taking the approach we have too much talent to accept this and would be looking for some changes, particularly defensively. Not just thinking if the world didn't have this crazy bias against the Hawks for reasons they can't possibly provide we'd win every game.....

Considering that no Hawks fan has said any criticism is trolling I'd love to see you provide examples of a Hawks fan saying any criticism is trolling. Please, show us. Otherwise I'd hate to think a mod is making blanket statements about a fanbase that is directly against the TOS for attacking a fanbase. Especially as a mod.

I.

some Hawks fans is an accurate statement. So hardly a blanket statement.

But so you are crystal clear if you want to report me for being mean.... I'm speaking of you.

I didn't even attack the posters I was talking about much less a fanbase. I just hate that attitude. But again feel free to report me if you think disagreeing with your approach is an attack on all things Atlanta...

Persecution complexes suck. But you do you.

At least you admit you are intentionally trolling me as an individual poster.

I'm speaking directly to you now. Please find a single post I ever made on this website going back to 2001 where I said any criticism of the Hawks is trolling. Please. I'll wait patiently.

This thread as had several other threads have people clearly trolling Hawks fans or the fanbase as a whole. If people want to troll Hawks fans or me on a personal level I don't care. It is tasteless and against the TOS but hey, I've got a mod admitting he's targeting me personally now. Other trolls have said flat out they are targeting me as a personal poster. That's not a "persecution complex" when someone LITERALLY SAYS they are targeting you. Like, ya know, a mod saying literally "I'm speaking of you."

There have been posts from non Hawks fans that are critical but in a constructive manner. It is clear the team needs a second star. It is clear the team needs to get back to playing better defense. It is clear that Trae Young can't play that badly again in a playoff series even though he was hurt in the first game by a dirty play. That's all fair criticism that I have not once disagreed with.

So I will wait patiently for you to dig through 21 years of my posts to find where I have said any criticism of the Hawks is trolling. And when you can't find that I will also wait patiently for you to publicly apologize to me.

[Texas Chuck]

LOL

[CP War Hawks]

I think they should run it back. There's no obvious second star that's a clear upgrade to who they have, and most of their key pieces are younger with the potential to improve. This team had some really good lineups that they were just limited in being able to play.

Trae, plus Collins and Capela is a plus 8 net rating per 100 this year, but the Hawks were only able to use it for 43 games. Bogi, Galo and Okongwu have a plus 16.7 net rating per 100, but only got to play 25 games because of injury. I'd resign Wright, use the full midlevel for a 3 and d wing, and keep your powder dry for mid-year trade if things don't improve.

If you were able to play both of those lineups for 60 or 70 games rather than 30 or 40 it wouldn't be surprising at all to see a Grizzlies-like year next year.

I can appreciate this input from I assume is a non fan. Coaching is lower third tier, could be worse, and nowhere close to what is needed. I'd take Willie Green over Nate point blank.

There ain't any real 3 and D wings in FA. Ro Co is like the closest thing and it's going to be many suitors to contest. The draft is the only real way to get one. Bogi missing game 5, that was like the death sentence. He's the 2nd best option behind Trae, that is not good enough.

[al bondiga]

hawks just need a new coach, somebody that gives them a real identity... either defensive genius or an offensive genius, one or the other... if I was a hawks fan I want offense or trade Trae Young

[ReddoverKobe]

Considering that no Hawks fan has said any criticism is trolling I'd love to see you provide examples of a Hawks fan saying any criticism is trolling. Please, show us. Otherwise I'd hate to think a mod is making blanket statements about a fanbase that is directly against the TOS for attacking a fanbase. Especially as a mod.

I.

some Hawks fans is an accurate statement. So hardly a blanket statement.

But so you are crystal clear if you want to report me for being mean.... I'm speaking of you.

I didn't even attack the posters I was talking about much less a fanbase. I just hate that attitude. But again feel free to report me if you think disagreeing with your approach is an attack on all things Atlanta...

Persecution complexes suck. But you do you.

At least you admit you are intentionally trolling me as an individual poster.

I'm speaking directly to you now. Please find a single post I ever made on this website going back to 2001 where I said any criticism of the Hawks is trolling. Please. I'll wait patiently.

This thread as had several other threads have people clearly trolling Hawks fans or the fanbase as a whole. If people want to troll Hawks fans or me on a personal level I don't care. It is tasteless and against the TOS but hey, I've got a mod admitting he's targeting me personally now. Other trolls have said flat out they are targeting me as a personal poster. That's not a "persecution complex" when someone LITERALLY SAYS they are targeting you. Like, ya know, a mod saying literally "I'm speaking of you."

There have been posts from non Hawks fans that are critical but in a constructive manner. It is clear the team needs a second star. It is clear the team needs to get back to playing better defense. It is clear that Trae Young can't play that badly again in a playoff series even though he was hurt in the first game by a dirty play. That's all fair criticism that I have not once disagreed with.

So I will wait patiently for you to dig through 21 years of my posts to find where I have said any criticism of the Hawks is trolling. And when you can't find that I will also wait patiently for you to publicly apologize to me.

lol, what a meltdown this is, almost as bad as Trae young in the playoffs, almost.

[ChuckChilly]

Saw this today in article on the Athletic by Chris Kirschner.

Despite all of Young’s struggles, the Hawks still had a chance to send this game to overtime. With 5.2 seconds left on the clock and their season on the line, the Hawks needed a 3 to tie. McMillan said Young, who finished the game 0-of-5 from 3, was the first option on the play he drew up. What makes that interesting is that, while McMillan drew on his dry-erase board, Young wasn’t involved in the huddle. He sat on the bench and stared directly ahead, away from McMillan, as John Collins and Danilo Gallinari blocked his view of the huddle. When they broke as a team, Young was already walking toward the court.

What then transpired was about the worst end-of-game play you’ll see, considering the stakes. For someone who was supposedly the No. 1 option on the play, Young didn’t break free for the ball. He ran into Onyeka Okongwu’s back, then backpedaled away from Delon Wright, who inbounded the ball. When Wright passed it to Gallinari, who was trapped in the corner, Young did not attempt to break toward Gallinari in the hope he’d throw a wraparound pass. Instead, Gallinari tried passing the ball toward the paint when they needed a 3, and the ball was stolen. The Hawks didn’t get a shot off to save their season.

How can a coach be drawing up a play for a player not there. I thought it hurt the Hawks to have done so well last season that McMillan got the full-time job. He's really not been good in his previous jobs.

It seems like Trae is ready to move on from Nate McMillan. His body language through out the last few games in the series was terrible. It's like he didn't want to play anymore.

He was probably pissed off at himself, and was projecting his inadequacies on McMillan at that time. He really needs to learn how to play off the ball, trust his teammates, and take more "normal" range 3 pointers. Those three simple things would change the dynamic of the team a lot.

[TravisScott55]

Need a secondary scorer

[MrBigShot]

Next year the hawks need to give the ball to DeAndre Hunter and get the hell out of the way lol. He looks like a future all star to me.

[AussieCeltic]

I think its interesting that Atlanta had a disappointing regular season followed by a sad showing in the playoffs and the position of some Hawks fans is any criticism is trolling.

I'd be taking the approach we have too much talent to accept this and would be looking for some changes, particularly defensively. Not just thinking if the world didn't have this crazy bias against the Hawks for reasons they can't possibly provide we'd win every game.....

Considering that no Hawks fan has said any criticism is trolling I'd love to see you provide examples of a Hawks fan saying any criticism is trolling. Please, show us. Otherwise I'd hate to think a mod is making blanket statements about a fanbase that is directly against the TOS for attacking a fanbase. Especially as a mod.

If you looked at actual reality, which I realize is a stretch for some posters, data and facts have been provided. The Hawks were over .600 until the Dec to mid Jan stretch where the team was playing non NBA players and G league as starters. The rest of the season from mid Jan to the end of the season the team was again over .600. That's two thirds of a season (give or take) of playing over .600 ball in a much tougher Eastern than Western conference. And yet still if the Hawks were in the West they would have been the fifth seed and still finished several games over .500 and won two must win games to make the playoffs.

So we can dwell on the one third of the season where the team was facing massive injuries and covid issues or the other two thirds of the season where the actual Hawks played. The playoffs were "sad" only because of injuries. We only had two starters healthy in the series.

I hope the Hawks improve this offseason by adding a second star to the team but anyone thinks this past team was a bad team is ignoring reality or letting their own bias show through.

You were 14-15 when you started losing games in December.

Trae played every game
Collins played every game
Capela played every game
Huerter missed one game
Wright missed one game
Reddish missed 3 games
Gallo missed 3 games
Lou will missed 3 games
Bogi missed 7 games
Hunter missed 8 games

So you had about the same amount of injuries as most teams and were a game under .500 not .600 as you referring to.

In terms of games missed to injury you were 6th best for the entire season!

[kg01]

Weird. I was under the impression attacking a fanbase was frowned upon in this establishment yet here we have a prominent mod doing it openly. Interesting.

I guess it's necessary to mention that 'some' of every fanbase has unrealistic viewpoints so pointing out that 'some' Hawks fans exhibit this is an unnecessary statement.

But I guess this'll earn a warning then the thread'll get locked before anyone does anything about the strange and inflammatory mod comments.

[God Squad]

Woes is me



-Sincerely, Some Hawk-fans.

[shangrila]

Exhibits A through Z for why I don't typically engage on topics involving the Hawks.

[Sothron]

I think its interesting that Atlanta had a disappointing regular season followed by a sad showing in the playoffs and the position of some Hawks fans is any criticism is trolling.

I'd be taking the approach we have too much talent to accept this and would be looking for some changes, particularly defensively. Not just thinking if the world didn't have this crazy bias against the Hawks for reasons they can't possibly provide we'd win every game.....

Considering that no Hawks fan has said any criticism is trolling I'd love to see you provide examples of a Hawks fan saying any criticism is trolling. Please, show us. Otherwise I'd hate to think a mod is making blanket statements about a fanbase that is directly against the TOS for attacking a fanbase. Especially as a mod.

If you looked at actual reality, which I realize is a stretch for some posters, data and facts have been provided. The Hawks were over .600 until the Dec to mid Jan stretch where the team was playing non NBA players and G league as starters. The rest of the season from mid Jan to the end of the season the team was again over .600. That's two thirds of a season (give or take) of playing over .600 ball in a much tougher Eastern than Western conference. And yet still if the Hawks were in the West they would have been the fifth seed and still finished several games over .500 and won two must win games to make the playoffs.

So we can dwell on the one third of the season where the team was facing massive injuries and covid issues or the other two thirds of the season where the actual Hawks played. The playoffs were "sad" only because of injuries. We only had two starters healthy in the series.

I hope the Hawks improve this offseason by adding a second star to the team but anyone thinks this past team was a bad team is ignoring reality or letting their own bias show through.

You were 14-15 when you started losing games in December.

Trae played every game
Collins played every game
Capela played every game
Huerter missed one game
Wright missed one game
Reddish missed 3 games
Gallo missed 3 games
Lou will missed 3 games
Bogi missed 7 games
Hunter missed 8 games

So you had about the same amount of injuries as most teams and were a game under .500 not .600 as you referring to.

In terms of games missed to injury you were 6th best for the entire season!

[Sothron]

LOL

Still waiting for you to provide the posts I asked for to back up your personal attack or your public apology. I mean I've been here since 2001 should be pretty easy to find posts where I said anything like what you claimed I did.

[Texas Chuck]

LOL

Still waiting for you to provide the posts I asked for to back up your personal attack or your public apology. I mean I've been here since 2001 should be pretty easy to find posts where I said anything like what you claimed I did.

Maybe I'll make it on the other sites where you are in your feelings about me lol. I'm flattered by the obsession but pretty sure posters on HawkSquawk don't actually care about what I think.

I didn't attack you a single time in this thread and owe you exactly zero apologies. I simply said I disagreed with the approach that everything is fine, and that any criticism of the team or pointing out weaknesses is an attack on the Hawks or their fans.

I get a couple of you don't like me and have decided to play victim. I find that boring and lame so let's get back to the Hawks and stop making this about me already. I mean seriously.

The irony is I defend the Hawks a lot on this board, but you forget that to dwell on any perceived criticism. Let's not.