2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Scottie4Bro]

I know people have soured on Mitchell but I think this is the perfect time to buy low on him.

I'd take a chance on him if he actually played defense.

Problem is, he plays no defense, might be a locker room cancer, and is a playoff choker. He's clearly not a #1 option type guy.

[720]

Three teams trade

Lakers trade: Westbrook, Horton and 2 first round picks
Lakers get: FVV, GTJ

OKC trades: SGA and future 2nd round pick
OKC gets: Westbrook, 4 first round picks

Raptors trades: FVV, GTJ and future 2 first round picks
Raptors get: SGA, Horton and 2rd pick from OKC

What do you think?

That might work. But I think OKC probably feel they can get higher quality 1st rounders for SGA. Then again the picks the lakers give back are probably gonna be decent now that I think about it.

[anotherhomer]

huh ?? Minny would never trade Ant Man for Barnes lol

I don’t think I’d trade Barnes for him myself tho. Barnes is in the Giannis/Kawhi mold vs Ant who is in the PG/Mitchell mold imo. I really like Ant a lot but I dont see his ceiling being as elite as Barnes

I just prefer explosiveness and size that Antman has. If Barnes was more athletic, i’d be right with you.

Can’t go wrong with either of them.

I like Antman, because he's legit 6"6, and a high volume 3-pt shot, making him a better fit along the core.

If Barnes develop a 3-pt shot, sure but i'm not quite optimistic he can develop that consistently

[anotherhomer]

Three teams trade

Lakers trade: Westbrook, Horton and 2 first round picks
Lakers get: FVV, GTJ

OKC trades: SGA and future 2nd round pick
OKC gets: Westbrook, 4 first round picks

Raptors trades: FVV, GTJ and future 2 first round picks
Raptors get: SGA, Horton and 2rd pick from OKC

What do you think?

That might work. But I think OKC probably feel they can get higher quality 1st rounders for SGA. Then again the picks the lakers give back are probably gonna be decent now that I think about it.

why would OKC trade their best player for 4 FRPs, when they have already too much of it.
if anything they need to consolidate their assets.

[720]

Three teams trade

Lakers trade: Westbrook, Horton and 2 first round picks
Lakers get: FVV, GTJ

OKC trades: SGA and future 2nd round pick
OKC gets: Westbrook, 4 first round picks

Raptors trades: FVV, GTJ and future 2 first round picks
Raptors get: SGA, Horton and 2rd pick from OKC

What do you think?

That might work. But I think OKC probably feel they can get higher quality 1st rounders for SGA. Then again the picks the lakers give back are probably gonna be decent now that I think about it.

why would OKC trade their best player for 4 FRPs, when they have already too much of it.
if anything they need to consolidate their assets.

That’s true. They did try to trade Shai and their number 6 pick for the 1st overall pick to get Cade before the draft. Detroit declined. So it looks like they are fine with moving him at some point. Maybe in a couple years, we’ll see.

[Fairview4Life]

How are the Lakers trading all that **** for FVV and GTJ?

[Lord_Zedd]

I know people have soured on Mitchell but I think this is the perfect time to buy low on him.

I'd take a chance on him if he actually played defense.

Problem is, he plays no defense, might be a locker room cancer, and is a playoff choker. He's clearly not a #1 option type guy.

It's ironic because Mitchell coming into the draft, defense was actually his calling card. Even his first year in the league he didn't look so bad.

Then he got lazy on defense over the years, and eventually Utah's defense was Gobert.

[TheBoi10]

I know people have soured on Mitchell but I think this is the perfect time to buy low on him.

Yup, FVV+GTJ for Mitchell

Donovan
OG
Scott
Pascal
Precious

[720]

I think if the blazers move up to the top 4 in the draft we can make a move to trade them pieces for that pick (if it’s at 4 maybe? Doubt they would trade a top 3 pick unless Lillard pressured them).

[Sidthekid87]

Og is a normal 3-D guy who's really good on d and just okay on 3. Also injury prone and wildly inconsistent. If he can net you a top 10 offensive weapon in the league, it's a no brainer from me. I burst out laughing thinking about the one suggestion being floated around of fvv gtj for Gobert. Would literally have the worst jump shooting team in the NBA since the early 90s. Raps actually in a tougher position then we think imo. GTJ and FVV on expirings after next season, and saddled with 0 shot creators outside of your starting 5. Like not one semblance of one in the entire organization outside of Siakam and sometimes GTJ. Kind of interesting to see the direction. My brain tells me Masai and Bobby see this as a massively successful season and just run it back. Though I do agree, it was a successful season, I think this team has a very clear and obvious cap. Without a bucket getter I can't imagine ever making a deep run. My dream scenario would probably be If they can pull off something like Og+Freddy for Mitchell and run a

Mitchell
GTJ
Barnes
Siakam
Legit C/Achuiwa

Shooter
Real pg
2 of the long boys squad

Have Scottie and Siakam run a ton of point forward offense, I think that 4 headed monster of Siakam Mitchell Barnes GTJ can score with anyone. Though the defense would take a hit, team plays 40 games a year without OG anyways I'm sure we'll manage. If Mitchell buys in on defense (I trust the coaching staff to make that happen) he's long, fast, and wouldn't have to carry all the offensive responsibilities here like Utah, can actually give effort of defence. If he buys in on d, I think he's more capable then Freddy on that side of the ball.

I know, who wants a guy who doesn't like trying on defense. But 25 year olds, who average a smooth 26 a game do not get made available and are DAMN hard to draft for this franchise. Could be a missing piece beside Siakam and Barnes.

[douggood]

I think if the blazers move up to the top 4 in the draft we can make a move to trade them pieces for that pick (if it’s at 4 maybe? Doubt they would trade a top 3 pick unless Lillard pressured them).

according to jake fisher and other reporters, portland would have traded one of the 2 lotto picks, as expected to get the pelicans pick from the cj McCollum trade. but since that pick is now mil 2025 pick, its expected that they will keep their lone lotto pick.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Slow friday so i'm going to toss out some trade ideas

FVV for Lonzo Ball

GTJ for Turner

Lineup of:

Lonzo
OG
Barnes
PS
Turner

[gerrit4]

I don't see the same starting core working out next season. Too many egos, too many mouths to feed on O. You risk either creating a lot of tension if the top guys this year are bumped down the totem pole due to Scottie, Trent, or Precious getting way better, or you risk having the exact same setup with Scottie being a 5th option despite becoming a better player.

We're in a good situation where Pascal, Fred, OG, and even GTJ are all good trade chips right now. See what you can get for each or a combination of the available 4, and evaluate. You could go the disgruntled star consolidation route, or you could go the elite young prospect route and give the 1st option reigns to one of Fred or Pascal and let them steer the ship for a couple years with some scrappy playoff experience for the lads while Scottie and whoever evolve.

there isn't a clear consolidation trade available that make sense for both sides
and teams like OKC has better assets for a consolidation trade

What's interesting is....would you guys theoretically trade Barnes for Edwards Anthony?

I would not in a million years. Edwards is an incredible talent, and he's one of the most explosive athletes I've ever seen. But Barnes is our guy. We drafted him, helped him grow this year, and he's already bonded with the city pretty significantly. I'm not sure who is the better prospect, but I wouldn't trade Barnes for anyone that is in the realm of being realistic.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I know people have soured on Mitchell but I think this is the perfect time to buy low on him.

I'd take a chance on him if he actually played defense.

Problem is, he plays no defense, might be a locker room cancer, and is a playoff choker. He's clearly not a #1 option type guy.

It's ironic because Mitchell coming into the draft, defense was actually his calling card. Even his first year in the league he didn't look so bad.

Then he got lazy on defense over the years, and eventually Utah's defense was Gobert.

Utah just said they are committed to Mitchell. so Gobert is probably on his way out. Would you trade OG and GTJ for Gobert - which works out in the trade machine.

I'm assuming Raps are committed to FVV for the foreseable future.


FVV
Barnes
Siakam
Precious
Gobert

that spacing is going to need some work, maybe this offseason Precious and Barnes can figure out how to shoot on a higher volume of 3s.

[original fan]

Slow friday so i'm going to toss out some trade ideas

FVV for Lonzo Ball

GTJ for Turner

Lineup of:

Lonzo
OG
Barnes
PS
Turner

Maybe add Birch and get back White.Resign our FAs and sign Brown for Mle
Extend Turner to a reasonable deal right away.We set!

[anotherhomer]

i'm excited about Barnes, and he's very promising
He's among Magic Johnson, Ocsar Robertson and (gulp, Ben simmons) to average 1000 points, 500 rebounds and 250 assists in a rookie season.

But today's league is about shooting
Even Lamelo Ball has shown he can shoot 3s at high volume.

I guess i'm on the fence about selling high, and getting someone else who fits the game well like Ant or Cade

I don't see the same starting core working out next season. Too many egos, too many mouths to feed on O. You risk either creating a lot of tension if the top guys this year are bumped down the totem pole due to Scottie, Trent, or Precious getting way better, or you risk having the exact same setup with Scottie being a 5th option despite becoming a better player.

We're in a good situation where Pascal, Fred, OG, and even GTJ are all good trade chips right now. See what you can get for each or a combination of the available 4, and evaluate. You could go the disgruntled star consolidation route, or you could go the elite young prospect route and give the 1st option reigns to one of Fred or Pascal and let them steer the ship for a couple years with some scrappy playoff experience for the lads while Scottie and whoever evolve.

there isn't a clear consolidation trade available that make sense for both sides
and teams like OKC has better assets for a consolidation trade

What's interesting is....would you guys theoretically trade Barnes for Edwards Anthony?

I would not in a million years. Edwards is an incredible talent, and he's one of the most explosive athletes I've ever seen. But Barnes is our guy. We drafted him, helped him grow this year, and he's already bonded with the city pretty significantly. I'm not sure who is the better prospect, but I wouldn't trade Barnes for anyone that is in the realm of being realistic.

[Kingsway_fan]

How are the Lakers trading all that **** for FVV and GTJ?

Lol true . Lakers got nothing to offer.....nothing
.

[agkagk]

Og is a normal 3-D guy who's really good on d and just okay on 3. Also injury prone and wildly inconsistent. If he can net you a top 10 offensive weapon in the league, it's a no brainer from me. I burst out laughing thinking about the one suggestion being floated around of fvv gtj for Gobert. Would literally have the worst jump shooting team in the NBA since the early 90s. Raps actually in a tougher position then we think imo. GTJ and FVV on expirings after next season, and saddled with 0 shot creators outside of your starting 5. Like not one semblance of one in the entire organization outside of Siakam and sometimes GTJ. Kind of interesting to see the direction. My brain tells me Masai and Bobby see this as a massively successful season and just run it back. Though I do agree, it was a successful season, I think this team has a very clear and obvious cap. Without a bucket getter I can't imagine ever making a deep run. My dream scenario would probably be If they can pull off something like Og+Freddy for Mitchell and run a

Mitchell
GTJ
Barnes
Siakam
Legit C/Achuiwa

Shooter
Real pg
2 of the long boys squad

Have Scottie and Siakam run a ton of point forward offense, I think that 4 headed monster of Siakam Mitchell Barnes GTJ can score with anyone. Though the defense would take a hit, team plays 40 games a year without OG anyways I'm sure we'll manage. If Mitchell buys in on defense (I trust the coaching staff to make that happen) he's long, fast, and wouldn't have to carry all the offensive responsibilities here like Utah, can actually give effort of defence. If he buys in on d, I think he's more capable then Freddy on that side of the ball.

I know, who wants a guy who doesn't like trying on defense. But 25 year olds, who average a smooth 26 a game do not get made available and are DAMN hard to draft for this franchise. Could be a missing piece beside Siakam and Barnes.

dude toronto is an elite program but so is utah.

If donovan wont play d for that coach, in that system with gobert and co around him.......

[Jadoogar]

i would do a full court press for one of the jazz guys. Mitchell is a scorer (something we desperately need) but he's small and gets targeted on defense.
Gobert would look great surrounded by our perimeter defenders. He's looks bad on the Jazz because their perimeter guys are awful. We also have better lob passers than Utah.

FVV, GTJ, OG, Precious should be on the table. I'm not moving scottie or Siakam for those guys

[Jadoogar]

I'd take a chance on him if he actually played defense.

Problem is, he plays no defense, might be a locker room cancer, and is a playoff choker. He's clearly not a #1 option type guy.

It's ironic because Mitchell coming into the draft, defense was actually his calling card. Even his first year in the league he didn't look so bad.

Then he got lazy on defense over the years, and eventually Utah's defense was Gobert.

Utah just said they are committed to Mitchell. so Gobert is probably on his way out. Would you trade OG and GTJ for Gobert - which works out in the trade machine.

I'm assuming Raps are committed to FVV for the foreseable future.


FVV
Barnes
Siakam
Precious
Gobert

that spacing is going to need some work, maybe this offseason Precious and Barnes can figure out how to shoot on a higher volume of 3s.

I would definitely consider that. OG + Trent + pick is a pretty fair deal for Gobert imo (wonder how Jazz fans feel about that). I would move precious to the bench and try get one more shooter in the starting lineup in this situation.