CP3 Goes 14/14 FG in a closeout game

John Murdoch · Post #81 » by **John Murdoch** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:42 pm

I keep wanting to rank him past Zeke on All time PG's list but that lack of a title irks me

JN61 · Post #82 » by **JN61** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:48 pm

Great performance. Reminded me of Ibaka like a decade ago going ham vs Spurs.

TheWhiteMamba · Post #83 » by **TheWhiteMamba** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:51 pm

One of the greatest elbow shooters, maybe the GOAT-elbow shooter...

GameOver25 · Post #84 » by **GameOver25** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:02 pm

art_tatum wrote:Great game but still a career choker. A couple games during the 1st round against a playin 10th seed doesn’t excuse a career of falling short (except when he was a pelican)
So overrated When they put him as a top 3 pg all time lol. First ballot hall of fame though. Maybe 8-10th greatest of all time pg. Which is legendary.

But I can’t believe everyone’s calling him a clutch player

holdenwait · Post #85 » by **holdenwait** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:10 pm

man listed James Harden as a Top 10 all time PG for sake of his argument lmao

pwayknicks · Post #86 » by **pwayknicks** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:13 pm

art_tatum wrote:
pj0tr wrote:
art_tatum wrote:
I said 8-10 so here are 7 clearly better (won mvps, lead their team to chips as the main or 2nd guy /fmvp guys) in no order:

Magic
Curry
IT (pistons)
West
Harden
Oscar
Nash
Then it’s guys like Stockton: longevity, crazy stats, 2finals appearances and would’ve won if not for MJ
Payton
Archibald
Kidd (but I think cp3 is better)
AI if you count him as pg.

So arguably cp3 isn’t even top 10.
What has he accomplished over these guys? 1 finals appearance no mvps or perennially lead teams deep in the playoffs. Mostly a 2nd round point guard a vast majority of his career.

Just cause he gets 10 assists and rarely turns it over? I rather have someone that turn it over way more but impact winning at a high level i.e. nash or curry. He’s always had great teams when said teams did well in the regular season like lob city clips or Houston with harden. Most of the time they collapsed in the playoffs tho.

Magic, Curry, and IT are the only players on your list I'd take over CP3.

People say this but what concrete rational do they have for it? Over guys like 2 time MVP Steve Nash or Oscar MVP and champ, west fmvp, IT two time fmvp, AI MVP.
Cp3 while i have said is a 1st ballot Hof lacks both individual accolades or team accolades. He has good stats and impact to winning (though apparently not enough) but so does everyone else.

Then when it's LeBron vs Jordan it's all about individual and team accolades.

You clearly spend to much time looking at accolades as opposed to watching games. I can’t speak on west / Oscar since I’ve seen neither play. But cp3 is better than everyone in your list save for magic.

Curry & isiah id listen to an argument on

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BK_2020 · Post #87 » by **BK_2020** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:17 pm

art_tatum wrote:Great game but still a career choker. A couple games during the 1st round against a playin 10th seed doesn’t excuse a career of falling short (except when he was a pelican)
So overrated When they put him as a top 3 pg all time lol. First ballot hall of fame though. Maybe 8-10th greatest of all time pg. Which is legendary.

But I can’t believe everyone’s calling him a clutch player

He's been an incredible playoff performer his whole career. He's averaged 20.7-4.9-8.5 with only 2.5 TOs per game.

Onus · Post #88 » by **Onus** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:27 pm

Booker is hilarious. "I believe in the heat check. 14/15 looks a lot better than 14/14" LMAO

ShazamDaShiznt · Post #89 » by **ShazamDaShiznt** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:29 pm

Unreal game. But makes you worry why they only won by a few points. If Suns want to beat GSW they're gonna need aggressive CP3 for each game.

hardenASG13 · Post #90 » by **hardenASG13** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:47 pm

ShazamDaShiznt wrote:Unreal game. But makes you worry why they only won by a few points. If Suns want to beat GSW they're gonna need aggressive CP3 for each game.

I dont think Booker was 100%, at least from a confidence standpoint in his leg last night. Also have to credit the Pels too, they were very scrappy with plenty of skill.

But not sure why you assume phoenix will play Golden State? They both will see a major step up in competition in round 2. Luka is an amazing playoff performer, and the Grizz (assuming they take care of Minnesota, who i dont think is quite ready this year) will have homecourt and have been the better team all season. They have a much more balanced roster than Denver, who has shown to be a quick out without Murray.

Sothron · Post #91 » by **Sothron** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:54 pm

That is insane for any player to go 14/14 in any game especially a playoff game. You add in his age at thirty seven and it is unreal. Amazing all time performance from one of the greatest PGs of all time.

carrrnuttt · Post #92 » by **carrrnuttt** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:54 pm

ShazamDaShiznt wrote:Unreal game. But makes you worry why they only won by a few points. If Suns want to beat GSW they're gonna need aggressive CP3 for each game.

The Pels were coached by someone who might as well be in the Suns' huddles.

dhsilv2 · Post #93 » by **dhsilv2** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:17 pm

art_tatum wrote:Great game but still a career choker. A couple games during the 1st round against a playin 10th seed doesn’t excuse a career of falling short (except when he was a pelican)
So overrated When they put him as a top 3 pg all time lol. First ballot hall of fame though. Maybe 8-10th greatest of all time pg. Which is legendary.

But I can’t believe everyone’s calling him a clutch player

I can't even imagine how someone could do the mental gymnastics to discredit this guy. And if you're the 10th best point guard ever, you're not a first ballot hall guy either.

dlts20 · Post #94 » by **dlts20** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:24 pm

art_tatum wrote:Great game but still a career choker. A couple games during the 1st round against a playin 10th seed doesn’t excuse a career of falling short (except when he was a pelican)
So overrated When they put him as a top 3 pg all time lol. First ballot hall of fame though. Maybe 8-10th greatest of all time pg. Which is legendary.

But I can’t believe everyone’s calling him a clutch player

I hate all the "but" people. Why can't you just give someone credit sometime

dhsilv2 · Post #95 » by **dhsilv2** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:29 pm

Naero wrote:It's the most points ever scored in a playoff game with a 100.0 field-goal percentage, per StatMuse. CP3 is also the only player with over twenty points on that list to have attempted a three-pointer and had a perfect TS% for the game.

In a nutshell, it's by far the highest-scoring playoff game ever with perfect shooting across the board. This feat is almost irreplicable even on NBA 2K.

What is a "perfect" TS%? Cause wouldnt' that be like 30 technical free throws or you don't miss a 3?

dhsilv2 · Post #96 » by **dhsilv2** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:34 pm

art_tatum wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
art_tatum wrote:Great game but still a career choker. A couple games during the 1st round against a playin 10th seed doesn’t excuse a career of falling short (except when he was a pelican)
So overrated When they put him as a top 3 pg all time lol. First ballot hall of fame though. Maybe 8-10th greatest of all time pg. Which is legendary.

But I can’t believe everyone’s calling him a clutch player

Name 10 PGs better than Paul.

I said 8-10 so here are 7 clearly better (won mvps, lead their team to chips as the main or 2nd guy /fmvp guys) in no order:

Magic
Curry
IT (pistons)
West
Harden
Oscar
Nash
Then it’s guys like Stockton: longevity, crazy stats, 2finals appearances and would’ve won if not for MJ
Payton
Archibald
Kidd (but I think cp3 is better)
AI if you count him as pg.

So arguably cp3 isn’t even top 10.
What has he accomplished over these guys? 1 finals appearance no mvps or perennially lead teams deep in the playoffs. Mostly a 2nd round point guard a vast majority of his career.

Just cause he gets 10 assists and rarely turns it over? I rather have someone that turn it over way more but impact winning at a high level i.e. nash or curry. He’s always had great teams when said teams did well in the regular season like lob city clips or Houston with harden. Most of the time they collapsed in the playoffs tho.

LMFAO....OMG!

Archibald? I mean...I can pick apart a half dozen of the awful choices here but Archibald even being here is just down right indefensible!

dhsilv2 · Post #97 » by **dhsilv2** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:46 pm

art_tatum wrote:
pj0tr wrote:
art_tatum wrote:
I said 8-10 so here are 7 clearly better (won mvps, lead their team to chips as the main or 2nd guy /fmvp guys) in no order:

Magic
Curry
IT (pistons)
West
Harden
Oscar
Nash
Then it’s guys like Stockton: longevity, crazy stats, 2finals appearances and would’ve won if not for MJ
Payton
Archibald
Kidd (but I think cp3 is better)
AI if you count him as pg.

So arguably cp3 isn’t even top 10.
What has he accomplished over these guys? 1 finals appearance no mvps or perennially lead teams deep in the playoffs. Mostly a 2nd round point guard a vast majority of his career.

Just cause he gets 10 assists and rarely turns it over? I rather have someone that turn it over way more but impact winning at a high level i.e. nash or curry. He’s always had great teams when said teams did well in the regular season like lob city clips or Houston with harden. Most of the time they collapsed in the playoffs tho.

Magic, Curry, and IT are the only players on your list I'd take over CP3.

People say this but what concrete rational do they have for it? Over guys like 2 time MVP Steve Nash or Oscar MVP and champ, west fmvp, IT two time fmvp, AI MVP.
Cp3 while i have said is a 1st ballot Hof lacks both individual accolades or team accolades. He has good stats and impact to winning (though apparently not enough) but so does everyone else.

Then when it's LeBron vs Jordan it's all about individual and team accolades.

You don't even know the people's accolades you're speaking of...

And what MVP or finals MVP does tiny have? Payton? Kidd?

How big a difference is winning the MVP when nobody thinks you deserve it (AI 2001) vs finishing 2nd in 2008? Or 5th in 2009 or 3rd in 2012 or 4th in 2013 or finishing 9 times in the top 10? Kidd doesn't have 9 top 10's, Payton doesn't (never even finished 2nd), IT never finished higher than 5th and only 4 top 10's, even Nash only had 6 top 10's to his name.

Instead you cherry pick winning vs total votes or looking at consistency. You use finals MVP which is as much a team award as individual.

Post #98 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:43 pm

TheWhiteMamba wrote:One of the greatest elbow shooters, maybe the GOAT-elbow shooter...

It's absolutely insane how he's perfected that fadeaway elbow/FT jumper. At 5'11" and change he's made that shot relatively un-guardable.

dhsilv2 · Post #99 » by **dhsilv2** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:47 pm

John Murdoch wrote:I keep wanting to rank him past Zeke on All time PG's list but that lack of a title irks me

Imagine CP3 on those pistons teams...what 5 6 titles?

Post #100 » by **FNQ** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:47 pm

Weird that 3 years ago he was basically an afterthought to a lot of fans, was considered a huge negative contract.. all because of one truly terrible pairing

His floor game can be a little annoying but he's really one of the best to ever do it, and I really hope we get to play the Suns this postseason. The CP3/Warriors rivalry needs to continue forever