Gobert is nowhere near a superstar

[MyUniBroDavis]

he is goofy.. goofy gobert.

he is not tony parker, batum , Mbappe, nor zidane level type of player..they are skilled with a ball in their hands or on their feet ..aside from lobs goofy gobert is like Deandre Jrdan= goofy with a basketball.. gobert would make a good blocker in volleyball, but thats about it , he is useless elsewhere...

You literally said ur trolling lol that’s why no one is replying to you

hahahahah.. i think you think i value responses to my posts,, ahhh no!...some are sharing and what they share man there are some weird takes (mine included) by alot of posters ,, take what you can and if there is no value, skip it , ignore etc,,

No I think you’ve entered a discussion forum without any indication of wanting to have an actual discussion lol

[Texas Chuck]

So I'm still very pro-Gobert, but I do have to seriously wonder if we are about to witness his last game(s) with Utah? Even if Utah somehow rights the ship and gets past Dallas, something I find it hard to imagine happening at this point, that team feels like its on a downward path. I wouldn't be surprised to see major changes.

I’m assuming that they’re gonna blow it up right? If Mitchell leaves do you think Gobert does as well?

It's so hard to say. I would guess if forced to choose between the two, the Jazz would keep the younger, offensive guy. Especially with Wade's influence. But Mitchell may also just want out and thus it makes more sense to keep Rudy. Or maybe they just get rid of everybody? But I don't see how they run it back.

[falcolombardi]

send rudy to okc! we already have two french speaking canadian guys

edit and theo maledon who is actually french lol, forgot about him

[No-more-rings]

Superstar Gobert's statline in a do or die game on his home floor.

10 points, 12 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals...only 6 field goal attempts but also 0 turnovers and 0 fouls

That's just a weirdly conservative statline. This is not a superstar level game, and I don't know what it's going to take for people to get it.

People like to downplay Mitchell's importance, but he's still been their most impactful offensive player. He didn't play well and you see how much worse the Jazz's offense was as a result. The past 3 seasons the Jazz have been a better offense than defense, so I'm failing to see how they're supposed to live or die with Gobert's defense when it comes to winning series. It's not going to work.

[70sFan]

Superstar Gobert's statline in a do or die game on his home floor.

10 points, 12 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals...only 6 field goal attempts but also 0 turnovers and 0 fouls

That's just a weirdly conservative statline. This is not a superstar level game, and I don't know what it's going to take for people to get it.

People like to downplay Mitchell's importance, but he's still been their most impactful offensive player. He didn't play well and you see how much worse the Jazz's offense was as a result. The past 3 seasons the Jazz have been a better offense than defense, so I'm failing to see how they're supposed to live or die with Gobert's defense when it comes to winning series. It's not going to work.

You don't see superstars having worse elimination games than that one? Trae just finished the series at such a bad level from offensive production standpoint and he also "added" huge negative defensive value. Durant had worse series than Gobert as well and he's a superstar. Gobert played fine last night, but I wouldn't call it a notable performance either.

The last few years, Utah whole gameplan is to play the game with 4 undersized shooters who can't defend and have Gobert carrying that defense above mediocrity. Nobody hold underperformance against offensive stars when they have no help, maybe we should start using the same criteria for defensive players?

[No-more-rings]

You don't see superstars having worse elimination games than that one? Trae just finished the series at such a bad level from offensive production standpoint and he also "added" huge negative defensive value. Durant had worse series than Gobert as well and he's a superstar. Gobert played fine last night, but I wouldn't call it a notable performance either.

KD is almost 34 and has lost as lot athletically...never knew it was that bad until i watched that series. I mean I'm not really sure what notable playoff performances Gobert has in general. He puts up 14 points with 12 rebounds and people start to talk about him like he's the modern day Bill Russell or something. He's not.

I don't get why Trae keeps getting brought up so much, I never claimed he was a superstar or top 10 player either.

[Texas Chuck]

Superstar Gobert's statline in a do or die game on his home floor.

10 points, 12 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals...only 6 field goal attempts but also 0 turnovers and 0 fouls

That's just a weirdly conservative statline. This is not a superstar level game, and I don't know what it's going to take for people to get it.

People like to downplay Mitchell's importance, but he's still been their most impactful offensive player. He didn't play well and you see how much worse the Jazz's offense was as a result. The past 3 seasons the Jazz have been a better offense than defense, so I'm failing to see how they're supposed to live or die with Gobert's defense when it comes to winning series. It's not going to work.

So you realize that Luka and Brunson and Dinwiddie did almost nothing at the rim, right? Guess which two players lead the playoffs in drives per game? Luka and Brunson. He's been a massive deterrent and he made the game become the ultimate miss/make game. In the first half Dallas missed, and because of Gobert couldn't change their attack. In the 2nd half they made their shots(because Mitchell is the worst defensive guard not named Trae) and Dallas managed to steal the game.

Stop looking at box score stats to decide if a player has impact. Luka blocked more shots than Gobert in the games both played. Nobody should think that means Luka is a more effective rim protector. It means guys challenge Luka. Dallas wanted zero part of challenging Rudy. Which is a massive advantage for UTah considering how much Luka and Brunson attack the rim. He also made Powell a total non-factor.

[CumberlandPosey]

the "defense" created by clarkson,mitchell and conley was goberts kryptonite.no chance besides him not knowing anything when he touches the ball himself.torturous mix of players to put together coupled with goberts enormous contract.trades or treadmill---tough choice.

[No-more-rings]

So you realize that Luka and Brunson and Dinwiddie did almost nothing at the rim, right? Guess which two players lead the playoffs in drives per game? Luka and Brunson.

Well 10.3% of Brunson's shots were from 3 feet within and he made 76.9% of those. Doesn't seem wildly different than what he did in the regular season.

He's been a massive deterrent and he made the game become the ultimate miss/make game. In the first half Dallas missed, and because of Gobert couldn't change their attack. In the 2nd half they made their shots(because Mitchell is the worst defensive guard not named Trae) and Dallas managed to steal the game.

So we're going back to blaming Mitchell's defense. The Jazz wouldn't be close to the offensive force they've been without him, and as shown this series, their offense takes a good dip when he's not playing well. For the longest time on this board, basically the whole time I've been here, everyone said how point guard defense wasn't a deal breaker. It's matters, but I don't think we can swing so far in the other direction and think it can single handedly ruin a defense or lose a series that seems ridiculous.

Stop looking at box score stats to decide if a player has impact.

Did I ever say Gobert didn't have impact? No. You guys just can't handle that I think differently about it so you engage in these exaggerations.

Goes back to the original question "is Gobert a Superstar?" Maybe we have different definitions. We all know how great his defense is, but his defense is never going to be the primary reason for a team winning a series let alone a championship. As much as his guards may let him down on defense, they completely carry his ass too on the other end. If you think a guy who plays great defense, but can't create his own shot or pass well is going to lead you to a title we're just not going to agree here.