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Post#1741 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:52 pm

Joe Schoen’s Day 2 picks draw skepticism: Giants NFL Draft takeaways






EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — Everything was going so well for Joe Schoen early on Day 2 of the NFL Draft on Friday night. He was basking in the universal praise of Thursday’s two first-round picks and then had fans ready to lionize him for executing as many trade backs (two) in a 20-minute span as predecessor Dave Gettleman had in four drafts.

And then Schoen started making picks.

The construction of Schoen’s monument outside MetLife Stadium ceased as fans scratched their heads over the Giants’ three picks on Day 2 of the draft. Each player was selected at least a round earlier than projected.

This is a good time to remember that no one knows how any of these draft picks will pan out. The Patriots eliminated the chance of anyone in America having a perfect mock draft by taking Chattanooga guard Cole Strange, who was widely projected as a third-round pick, with the 29th pick of the first round. Bill Belichick probably isn’t losing any sleep over criticism of that selection.

Consistently over-drafting players isn’t a recipe for success. But NFL teams don’t invest millions of dollars into their scouting departments for them to draft off of Dane Brugler’s rankings.

It is notable, however, that after comparing the Bills’ previous three drafts to Brugler’s rankings, Buffalo routinely picked players in the same range or later than his rankings. So it’s not as if Schoen came to the Giants from an organization that routinely went off the grid with its picks.

But Schoen and the rest of the Giants front office spent months (or longer) evaluating this draft class. They obviously had a conviction on the three players they picked — Kentucky wide receiver Wan’Dale Robinson, North Carolina guard Joshua Ezeudu and LSU cornerback Cor’Dale Flott. But there’s also skill involved with reading the board.

Schoen displayed a good feel for the board in the first round when he believed there was “quite a drop” at edge rusher after acclaimed No. 5 pick Kayvon Thibodeaux. The next edge rusher didn’t go off the board until the Jets picked Florida State’s Jermaine Johnson at No. 26. So if Schoen was convinced that he would have lost Robinson, Ezeudu and Flott if he waited, he can’t be faulted for pulling the trigger when he did.

It’s fair to raise an eyebrow at the Day 2 picks, but it’s too early for criticism. Remember: It’s impossible to know how these players will fare.

• The above doesn’t mean the picks can’t be … critiqued. For instance, it’s surprising that none of the Day 2 picks are slam-dunk starters.



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Re: OT: NFL Draft Thread 

Post#1742 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:59 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Flott seems like a player Wink likes.


Does he project as a S or CB?


CB, but at 175 pounds (!) he is definitely a guy that will probably be a development player and not someone we can expect to see game day action right away. Dude needs to put on some muscle or he's going to get trucked
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Post#1743 » by Manhattan Project » Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:44 pm

It's crazy, in my entire life I've never seen a Jets draft that I loved more. We were aggressive when we needed to be, used capital from previous trades to get the guys we wanted and hit for our needs across the board. Our offense isn't set up to be a 1/2 year wonder like the Decker/Marshall days, nor are we relying on a running back way past his prime like a Forte/LT. If Becton can come back and play at his rookie year level, man we're going to be fun to watch as we develop.
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Post#1744 » by F N 11 » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:08 pm

Giants about to cover LB and TE right here. Robinson I believe is our back up RB when Saquon sits so we not drafting RB.
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Post#1745 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:11 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:It's crazy, in my entire life I've never seen a Jets draft that I loved more. We were aggressive when we needed to be, used capital from previous trades to get the guys we wanted and hit for our needs across the board. Our offense isn't set up to be a 1/2 year wonder like the Decker/Marshall days, nor are we relying on a running back way past his prime like a Forte/LT. If Becton can come back and play at his rookie year level, man we're going to be fun to watch as we develop.


Ferguson/Mangold 2006 draft and the Chad/Abe/Ellis/Coles 2000 draft were pretty good.
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Post#1746 » by Manhattan Project » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:16 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Manhattan Project wrote:It's crazy, in my entire life I've never seen a Jets draft that I loved more. We were aggressive when we needed to be, used capital from previous trades to get the guys we wanted and hit for our needs across the board. Our offense isn't set up to be a 1/2 year wonder like the Decker/Marshall days, nor are we relying on a running back way past his prime like a Forte/LT. If Becton can come back and play at his rookie year level, man we're going to be fun to watch as we develop.


Ferguson/Mangold 2006 draft and the Chad/Abe/Ellis/Coles 2000 draft were pretty good.


They turned out to be good drafts no doubt, you can throw in Revis/Harris in there as well. I'm talking about the actual picks, I loved every single one of them so far. 2000 draft has the stench of Becht that still hasn't worn off.
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Post#1747 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:19 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Manhattan Project wrote:It's crazy, in my entire life I've never seen a Jets draft that I loved more. We were aggressive when we needed to be, used capital from previous trades to get the guys we wanted and hit for our needs across the board. Our offense isn't set up to be a 1/2 year wonder like the Decker/Marshall days, nor are we relying on a running back way past his prime like a Forte/LT. If Becton can come back and play at his rookie year level, man we're going to be fun to watch as we develop.


Ferguson/Mangold 2006 draft and the Chad/Abe/Ellis/Coles 2000 draft were pretty good.


They turned out to be good drafts no doubt, you can throw in Revis/Harris in there as well. I'm talking about the actual picks, I loved every single one of them so far. 2000 draft has the stench of Becht that still hasn't worn off.


Anthony Bleccht! Stone hands! Yeah... It was still a great draft but...yeah. :lol:
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Post#1748 » by F N 11 » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:28 pm

There’s the TE. Probably get LB next pick.
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Post#1749 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:31 pm

Finally a TE.
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Post#1750 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:35 pm

I guess we're going to punt on LB this year.
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Post#1751 » by F N 11 » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:37 pm

I don’t think we care about real LB’s playing 3-4 with Ojalari and Thibx
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Post#1752 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:43 pm

F N 11 wrote:I don’t think we care about real LB’s playing 3-4 with Ojalari and Thibx


Good point.

Also, I'm curious what we do with Bradberry now. Looks like we couldn't even get a 4th for him
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Post#1753 » by KOA » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:44 pm

I still like d’Marco jackson
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Post#1754 » by Oscirus » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:44 pm

and the jets are finished for this draft. Great at the top good in the middle meh at the end but not at all complaining.
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Post#1755 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:50 pm

Belton is a nasty SOB



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Post#1756 » by F N 11 » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:54 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Belton is a nasty SOB



Go to the 1:15 mark to see Belton absolutely destroy his new teammate :lol:

This guy play like McKinney 2.0
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Post#1757 » by Oscirus » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:55 pm

where was brady picked. Im dreading the annual brady was picked at so and so will whatever team get lucky this time spiel they normally do
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Post#1758 » by 8516knicks » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:58 pm

Oscirus wrote:and the jets are finished for this draft. Great at the top good in the middle meh at the end but not at all complaining.



They missed Faallee by one and for last pick took another DE instead of CB Woolen -- otherwise would have been close to as good a draft as they could get.
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Post#1759 » by Rich Rane » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:59 pm

More protection for Zach. Could be Becton insurance as well.
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Post#1760 » by Luv those Knicks » Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:34 pm

Looks like the Jets left some holes unaddressed. Safety, LB, but they got better in many spots. I like what they did.
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