Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4

[puppa bear]

Would trade Herro for Mitchell.

Lowry, Donovan, Butler and Bam would make for an ultra dynamic quadrant. Throw in the likes of Strus, Vincent, Oladipo and Caleb, and you have yourself a well-balanced championship contender for the next 5 years. Would hate to see Yurt go though.. especially to a team like Utah. Also, if we do retain Victor chances are that he'd want a starting spot, but the fit wouldn't quite be right with Mitchell, Butler, and Bam already in the starting 5. You'd want at least 2 shooters surrounding those guys, and you need Lowry to run the offense..

But meh.. an argument could be made that it may be better to just keep a growing Herro when you already have Victor Oladipo (who looks as if he'll be able to get back to full strength) on the roster. Dipo is very Mitchell-esqe with the super athletic abilities, long arms, and quick first step. While Donovan is definitely the more profound offensive player, Victor could counter that by being the better defender.

But then again, another argument could be made that you don't win championships without a true alpha scorer on the roster.. and Mitchell's 28ppg career playoff average does look hella juicy..

Are you saying Butler is not an alpha scorer?

That said, getting Mitchell will take the burden off Butler to produce as he gets older. Something Herro is expected to do if kept.

Butler has shown this season that he needs someone to take the volume scoring load, especially through the regular season. Herro make take that role in the next few years, but having Spida to do that is a luxury.

Spida/Dipo/Bam as 3 of the next core-4 would be great for now and the future. As Lowry & Butler age, we’d need to find that strong wing/forward to play next to them.

[carnageta]

Would trade Herro for Mitchell.

Lowry, Donovan, Butler and Bam would make for an ultra dynamic quadrant. Throw in the likes of Strus, Vincent, Oladipo and Caleb, and you have yourself a well-balanced championship contender for the next 5 years. Would hate to see Yurt go though.. especially to a team like Utah. Also, if we do retain Victor chances are that he'd want a starting spot, but the fit wouldn't quite be right with Mitchell, Butler, and Bam already in the starting 5. You'd want at least 2 shooters surrounding those guys, and you need Lowry to run the offense..

But meh.. an argument could be made that it may be better to just keep a growing Herro when you already have Victor Oladipo (who looks as if he'll be able to get back to full strength) on the roster. Dipo is very Mitchell-esqe with the super athletic abilities, long arms, and quick first step. While Donovan is definitely the more profound offensive player, Victor could counter that by being the better defender.

But then again, another argument could be made that you don't win championships without a true alpha scorer on the roster.. and Mitchell's 28ppg career playoff average does look hella juicy..

Are you saying Butler is not an alpha scorer?

Jimmy Butler in 64 playoff games (excluding his first 3 years in the league since he was a role player) - 21.4ppg
Donovan Mitchell in 39 playoff games - 28.3ppg

I really think the Hawks series has a lot of people overestimating Butlers scoring capabilities. He's not a guy who'll average north of 25ppg against a well rounded defense, especially with him being the only premiere scoring option. People tend to forget that Goran Dragic led us in scoring during the first three rounds of the bubble playoffs (where we dispatched both Milwaukee and Boston).

Jimmy will have his fair share of moments of big scoring nights, and he is alpha in a lot of ways - however, I think it comes without question that Mitchell is in another league in terms of putting the ball in the basket, as his playoff numbers demonstrate.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I love the journey of the rising of a healthy Dipo as much as the nxt guy. I'm pulling for him to continue to get back to elite level. I do understand the significance of stepping up when Butler & Lowry were out. But am I the only one not taking too much out of his performance vs a mediocre defensive Hawks team that trailed us throughout the series? I'm keen to see him vs tougher match ups in 76ers/Bucks/Celts esp. if our backs are against the wall & the pressure's on.

Dipo has a lot to thank Miami for. I think we all understand this. I doubt he has any negative feelings towards us or any situations here. If he does then that's for front office to address. I do think it has been a complete blessing for him, to be here. After all his riding w/ the East 1 seed w/ a bright future & future all star young guns.

Are we just going to discredit every great game he has in a Heat jersey from this point on? I mean damn no wonder the media runs with the **** narratives about this team that they do, we produce them ourselves lol.

I’ll counter what you said by saying with our only true PG and our best player out Dipo took over a playoff game on both sides of the court and ended a playoffs series that we 100% did not want to drag on further. Against an ECF team from last year by the way. That was a HUGE game and a great sign.

Who's discrediting? I thought I was pretty clear I stated it was a significant performance w/ Butler & Lowry out

You know what I've just wasted 10 seconds replying I can't get back

You literally said you’re not taking much from the performance against a mediocre hawks defense lol. That’s discrediting.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Oladipo sensibly gets a 1 year deal with a team option for a second at this point. His history of injury is too much of a factor.

Mitchell is an overpaid chucker that would take the ball away from Butler. He's not the worst star to team up with Butler, though and Herro would flourish in a white market like Utah.

At this point Herro is a more efficient player than Mitchell but Mitchell is proven ( a proven loser ). It's a gamble but if the Heat underperform these POs it's one possibility.

Ps. Mitchell's defense is not much better than Herro's.

Herro isn’t more efficient that Mitchell and you’re not factoring in the fact that the opposing teams entire defense is schemed to stop Mitchell every night. He doesn’t have the luxuries Herro has.

You do have a good point about opponents gameplanning Mitchell as the primary guy. That said, I think if you compare this postseason's numbers, Herro compares more favorably than you think. And he's younger.

No they actually don’t, like not even close

[harlem_ball]

Herro isn’t more efficient that Mitchell and you’re not factoring in the fact that the opposing teams entire defense is schemed to stop Mitchell every night. He doesn’t have the luxuries Herro has.

You do have a good point about opponents gameplanning Mitchell as the primary guy. That said, I think if you compare this postseason's numbers, Herro compares more favorably than you think. And he's younger.

No they actually don’t, like not even close

You're a low iq bum and your responses confirm that.

Be gone, demon!!!

[MHeat0279]

You’ve been crying about Yurt all damn season now you’re saying you don’t care about any individual

You little troll, i didnt cry about Yurt, his rebounding could be crucial to the team. Go suck off dipo like the little demon slut you are. No surprise you can't comprehend anything with your low iq. Were you exposed to lead as a child?

Lol you guys are something else i tell you that

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You do have a good point about opponents gameplanning Mitchell as the primary guy. That said, I think if you compare this postseason's numbers, Herro compares more favorably than you think. And he's younger.

No they actually don’t, like not even close

You're a low iq bum and your responses confirm that.

Be gone, demon!!!

Playoffs this season:

Mitchell: 26-4-6-1-.5 .505 TS% (terrible) .049 WS/48

Herro: 13-4-3-1-.6 .468 TS% (worse than terrible) .004 WS/48

Please tell me in what world these numbers are surprisingly close? Both had **** efficiency but Herros was another level of bad lol and again that’s with the entire defense focusing on Mitchell, that’s a top 5 defense while Herro has multiple other offensive weapons and against a bottom 5 defense.

This is what cracks me up, you guys just spout nonsense in here and when someone calls you on it and proves you wrong you get defensive and start name calling lol. Like it takes you 5 seconds to look up and see if their numbers are close. Do the research before you make claims like that.

[MHeat0279]

No they actually don’t, like not even close

You're a low iq bum and your responses confirm that.

Be gone, demon!!!

Playoffs this season:

Mitchell: 26-4-6-1-.5 .505 TS% (terrible) .049 WS/48

Herro: 13-4-3-1-.6 .468 TS% (worse than terrible) .004 WS/48

Please tell me in what world these numbers are surprisingly close? Both had **** efficiency but Herros was another level of bad lol and again that’s with the entire defense focusing on Mitchell, that’s a top 5 defense while Herro has multiple other offensive weapons and against a bottom 5 defense.

This is what cracks me up, you guys just spout nonsense in here and when someone calls you on it and proves you wrong you get defensive and start name calling lol. Like it takes you 5 seconds to look up and see if their numbers are close. Do the research before you make claims like that.

Like i told you before, you can not go by Stats only, and especially when it fits your narrative, its true Herro is having a crappy playoffs but he was playing very good before. I would trade Herro for Donovan, they are both s hitty defenders but Donovan is the superior offensive player.

[MHeat0279]

Can not understand why Boston can not get over the hump. They will probably lose to the Bucks without Middleton.

[HeatIn5]

But meh.. an argument could be made that it may be better to just keep a growing Herro when you already have Victor Oladipo (who looks as if he'll be able to get back to full strength) on the roster.

No, don't think there can be an argument

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You're a low iq bum and your responses confirm that.

Be gone, demon!!!

Playoffs this season:

Mitchell: 26-4-6-1-.5 .505 TS% (terrible) .049 WS/48

Herro: 13-4-3-1-.6 .468 TS% (worse than terrible) .004 WS/48

Please tell me in what world these numbers are surprisingly close? Both had **** efficiency but Herros was another level of bad lol and again that’s with the entire defense focusing on Mitchell, that’s a top 5 defense while Herro has multiple other offensive weapons and against a bottom 5 defense.

This is what cracks me up, you guys just spout nonsense in here and when someone calls you on it and proves you wrong you get defensive and start name calling lol. Like it takes you 5 seconds to look up and see if their numbers are close. Do the research before you make claims like that.

Like i told you before, you can not go by Stats only, and especially when it fits your narrative, its true Herro is having a crappy playoffs but he was playing very good before. I would trade Herro for Donovan, they are both s hitty defenders but Donovan is the superior offensive player.

Brother we’re talking strictly playoffs this season. The stats matter and the context I gave outside of stats matters greatly. There is no comparison in their playoffs this season, Herro has been basically unplayable for the 2nd playoffs in a row. I think that changes next round.

[MHeat0279]

Playoffs this season:

Mitchell: 26-4-6-1-.5 .505 TS% (terrible) .049 WS/48

Herro: 13-4-3-1-.6 .468 TS% (worse than terrible) .004 WS/48

Please tell me in what world these numbers are surprisingly close? Both had **** efficiency but Herros was another level of bad lol and again that’s with the entire defense focusing on Mitchell, that’s a top 5 defense while Herro has multiple other offensive weapons and against a bottom 5 defense.

This is what cracks me up, you guys just spout nonsense in here and when someone calls you on it and proves you wrong you get defensive and start name calling lol. Like it takes you 5 seconds to look up and see if their numbers are close. Do the research before you make claims like that.

Like i told you before, you can not go by Stats only, and especially when it fits your narrative, its true Herro is having a crappy playoffs but he was playing very good before. I would trade Herro for Donovan, they are both s hitty defenders but Donovan is the superior offensive player.

Brother we’re talking strictly playoffs this season. The stats matter and the context I gave outside of stats matters greatly. There is no comparison in their playoffs this season, Herro has been basically unplayable for the 2nd playoffs in a row. I think that changes next round.

Yes, his playoffs performance have been a disgrace. The real challenge is not coming next round, it will be facing the Bucks.

[Hallstar]

No they actually don’t, like not even close

You're a low iq bum and your responses confirm that.

Be gone, demon!!!

Playoffs this season:

Mitchell: 26-4-6-1-.5 .505 TS% (terrible) .049 WS/48

Herro: 13-4-3-1-.6 .468 TS% (worse than terrible) .004 WS/48

Please tell me in what world these numbers are surprisingly close? Both had **** efficiency but Herros was another level of bad lol and again that’s with the entire defense focusing on Mitchell, that’s a top 5 defense while Herro has multiple other offensive weapons and against a bottom 5 defense.

This is what cracks me up, you guys just spout nonsense in here and when someone calls you on it and proves you wrong you get defensive and start name calling lol. Like it takes you 5 seconds to look up and see if their numbers are close. Do the research before you make claims like that.

Herro had 2 poor shooting games on low attempts, and 2 ok shooting games on low attempts. If you watched those games and think we were running anything close to what we did in the reg season I dunno what to say other than Butler ball better keep working.

The whole roster outside Jimmy didn't suddenly wake up and forget how to score

[harlem_ball]

No they actually don’t, like not even close

You're a low iq bum and your responses confirm that.

Be gone, demon!!!

Playoffs this season:

Mitchell: 26-4-6-1-.5 .505 TS% (terrible) .049 WS/48

Herro: 13-4-3-1-.6 .468 TS% (worse than terrible) .004 WS/48

Please tell me in what world these numbers are surprisingly close? Both had **** efficiency but Herros was another level of bad lol and again that’s with the entire defense focusing on Mitchell, that’s a top 5 defense while Herro has multiple other offensive weapons and against a bottom 5 defense.

This is what cracks me up, you guys just spout nonsense in here and when someone calls you on it and proves you wrong you get defensive and start name calling lol. Like it takes you 5 seconds to look up and see if their numbers are close. Do the research before you make claims like that.

That's a better response, demon whore. At least back up your hellish nonsense with some stats.

I'm not concerned with comparing two chuckers at this time. Let the playoffs run their course first. Go to the Jazz board for this crap.

Right now I believe in my team and my guys and they are playing the roles they need to. If we win a ship, no ones going anywhere. The playoffs will reveal everything we need to move forward.

Why don't you compare LaVine with Mitchell? LaVine seems more like a Heat guy with his athletic prowess. Mitchell's another undersized, overpaid guy thats peaked. Herro at least has upside.

[harlem_ball]

Playoffs this season:

Mitchell: 26-4-6-1-.5 .505 TS% (terrible) .049 WS/48

Herro: 13-4-3-1-.6 .468 TS% (worse than terrible) .004 WS/48

Please tell me in what world these numbers are surprisingly close? Both had **** efficiency but Herros was another level of bad lol and again that’s with the entire defense focusing on Mitchell, that’s a top 5 defense while Herro has multiple other offensive weapons and against a bottom 5 defense.

This is what cracks me up, you guys just spout nonsense in here and when someone calls you on it and proves you wrong you get defensive and start name calling lol. Like it takes you 5 seconds to look up and see if their numbers are close. Do the research before you make claims like that.

Like i told you before, you can not go by Stats only, and especially when it fits your narrative, its true Herro is having a crappy playoffs but he was playing very good before. I would trade Herro for Donovan, they are both s hitty defenders but Donovan is the superior offensive player.

Brother we’re talking strictly playoffs this season. The stats matter and the context I gave outside of stats matters greatly. There is no comparison in their playoffs this season, Herro has been basically unplayable for the 2nd playoffs in a row. I think that changes next round.

Your demonic narrative is flawed. You say stats don't matter yet are comparing Herro and Mitchell by stats even though we are winning and Herro has contributed to that winning. Mitchell lost and now he wants to get traded like a loser.

Just go away, demon whore. Enjoy the playoffs.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You're a low iq bum and your responses confirm that.

Be gone, demon!!!

Playoffs this season:

Mitchell: 26-4-6-1-.5 .505 TS% (terrible) .049 WS/48

Herro: 13-4-3-1-.6 .468 TS% (worse than terrible) .004 WS/48

Please tell me in what world these numbers are surprisingly close? Both had **** efficiency but Herros was another level of bad lol and again that’s with the entire defense focusing on Mitchell, that’s a top 5 defense while Herro has multiple other offensive weapons and against a bottom 5 defense.

This is what cracks me up, you guys just spout nonsense in here and when someone calls you on it and proves you wrong you get defensive and start name calling lol. Like it takes you 5 seconds to look up and see if their numbers are close. Do the research before you make claims like that.

Herro had 2 poor shooting games on low attempts, and 2 ok shooting games on low attempts. If you watched those games and think we were running anything close to what we did in the reg season I dunno what to say other than Butler ball better keep working.

The whole roster outside Jimmy didn't suddenly wake up and forget how to score

Jimmys our best player and scorer so it’s only right he takes over now. Herro got low attempts because he was struggling to find good looks and was bricking everything he shot. Hopefully he snaps out of it this next round because if he’s not scoring efficiently he brings nothing to the table.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Like i told you before, you can not go by Stats only, and especially when it fits your narrative, its true Herro is having a crappy playoffs but he was playing very good before. I would trade Herro for Donovan, they are both s hitty defenders but Donovan is the superior offensive player.

Brother we’re talking strictly playoffs this season. The stats matter and the context I gave outside of stats matters greatly. There is no comparison in their playoffs this season, Herro has been basically unplayable for the 2nd playoffs in a row. I think that changes next round.

Your demonic narrative is flawed. You say stats don't matter yet are comparing Herro and Mitchell by stats even though we are winning and Herro has contributed to that winning. Mitchell lost and now he wants to get traded like a loser.

Just go away, demon whore. Enjoy the playoffs.

Are you high, drunk, or both?! Show me where I said stats don’t matter you’re something else.

[greg4012]

Ok, so this is interesting numbers with Duncan Robinson, after his explosion in game 1 he texted his co-host of his podcast to ask him to look something up about him. Duncan had a feeling that he shoots better during the daytime, he said he felt like he was around shooting around 60% from 3.

So what you'll hear in the video if you watch/listen to it...
Time(and earlier)/Games/Pts/3pt%
4pm, 21 games, 12.1 pts, 46%
3pm, 13 games, 13 pts, 51%
2pm, 11 games, 15 pts, 53%
1pm, 7 games, 19.3 pts, 56% <- game one was 1pm.

They start talking about this after 8 minutes.

Watch on YouTube

Great now Duncan is in his own head setting expectations for his shot based on time of day...

[harlem_ball]

Brother we’re talking strictly playoffs this season. The stats matter and the context I gave outside of stats matters greatly. There is no comparison in their playoffs this season, Herro has been basically unplayable for the 2nd playoffs in a row. I think that changes next round.

Your demonic narrative is flawed. You say stats don't matter yet are comparing Herro and Mitchell by stats even though we are winning and Herro has contributed to that winning. Mitchell lost and now he wants to get traded like a loser.

Just go away, demon whore. Enjoy the playoffs.

Are you high, drunk, or both?! Show me where I said stats don’t matter you’re something else.

I'm done arguing with you. With Bam it's all about stats not mattering and intangibles, with Herro it's all about stats. Whatever. Blablabla

[greg4012]

Your demonic narrative is flawed. You say stats don't matter yet are comparing Herro and Mitchell by stats even though we are winning and Herro has contributed to that winning. Mitchell lost and now he wants to get traded like a loser.

Just go away, demon whore. Enjoy the playoffs.

Are you high, drunk, or both?! Show me where I said stats don’t matter you’re something else.

I'm done arguing with you. With Bam it's all about stats not mattering and intangibles, with Herro it's all about stats. Whatever. Blablabla

What do you think are the clear impacts Herro is making on the court that aren't captured by stats?