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[PittsburghSuns]

Who was talking about bets? I thought we were talking about sports. The Suns are favorites to win it all over any other team because they were in the Finals last year and had the best record in the league this season.

When referring to a "favorite" you're usually talking about betting. If you're not then it's just personal opinion and nobody is "wrong."

Warriors are currently the betting favorite to win the championship.

Sorry but that changes constantly and the Suns were favourites just a few days ago...now they say that the Warriors are favourites to win it all by an small margin...and what? It will change again in the next few days with some lose or win.

I don't get the fascination with whatever bets says, results are there for a reason. A team that reached the Finals last year and has been the best team so far in the league has to be considered the favourite to win it all.

Except they are not considered the favorite at all. GSW are…..

[Saberestar]

When referring to a "favorite" you're usually talking about betting. If you're not then it's just personal opinion and nobody is "wrong."

Warriors are currently the betting favorite to win the championship.

Sorry but that changes constantly and the Suns were favourites just a few days ago...now they say that the Warriors are favourites to win it all by an small margin...and what? It will change again in the next few days with some lose or win.

I don't get the fascination with whatever bets says, results are there for a reason. A team that reached the Finals last year and has been the best team so far in the league has to be considered the favourite to win it all.

Except they are not considered the favorite at all. GSW are…..

Four days ago we were considered the favourites to win it all by all those sites...now they say that are the Warriors and it will change pretty quickly again in the next few days.

I don't get to say that the Warriors will be definitely favourites against us. Just imagine that we win 4-0 to the Mavs and the Warriors win 4-3 to the Grizzlies...what are gonna say then "the experts" from the bets sites?

[TeamTragic]

Sorry but that changes constantly and the Suns were favourites just a few days ago...now they say that the Warriors are favourites to win it all by an small margin...and what? It will change again in the next few days with some lose or win.

I don't get the fascination with whatever bets says, results are there for a reason. A team that reached the Finals last year and has been the best team so far in the league has to be considered the favourite to win it all.

Except they are not considered the favorite at all. GSW are…..

Four days ago we were considered the favourites to win it all by all those sites...now they say that are the Warriors and it will change pretty quickly again in the next few days.

I don't get to say that the Warriors will be definitely favourites against us. Just imagine that we win 4-0 to the Mavs and the Warriors win 4-3 to the Grizzlies...what are gonna say then "the experts" from the bets sites?

Do we care about the betting sites? Please let them keep rolling the dice

[insomniac00]

Sorry but that changes constantly and the Suns were favourites just a few days ago...now they say that the Warriors are favourites to win it all by an small margin...and what? It will change again in the next few days with some lose or win.

I don't get the fascination with whatever bets says, results are there for a reason. A team that reached the Finals last year and has been the best team so far in the league has to be considered the favourite to win it all.

Except they are not considered the favorite at all. GSW are…..

Four days ago we were considered the favourites to win it all by all those sites...now they say that are the Warriors and it will change pretty quickly again in the next few days.

I don't get to say that the Warriors will be definitely favourites against us. Just imagine that we win 4-0 to the Mavs and the Warriors win 4-3 to the Grizzlies...what are gonna say then "the experts" from the bets sites?

Whether you are the favorite or not is about how you're playing lately, and what players you have that are currently healthy. Your logic of "well the Suns went to the finals last year so they have to be the favorites" doesn't hold up. What makes you a favorite or an underdog is about how you look right now, not how you looked last year.

[PittsburghSuns]

If the Suns played like they did in Rd 1 or end of the year we probably get swept by GSW. Poole has given them an extremely unfair advantage.

[Saberestar]

Except they are not considered the favorite at all. GSW are…..

Four days ago we were considered the favourites to win it all by all those sites...now they say that are the Warriors and it will change pretty quickly again in the next few days.

I don't get to say that the Warriors will be definitely favourites against us. Just imagine that we win 4-0 to the Mavs and the Warriors win 4-3 to the Grizzlies...what are gonna say then "the experts" from the bets sites?

Whether you are the favorite or not is about how you're playing lately, and what players you have that are currently healthy. Your logic of "well the Suns went to the finals last year so they have to be the favorites" doesn't hold up. What makes you a favorite or an underdog is about how you look right now, not how you looked last year.

Well, I said that we reached the Finals AND that we have been the best team with 64 wins this current season.

[bwgood77]

Except they are not considered the favorite at all. GSW are…..

Four days ago we were considered the favourites to win it all by all those sites...now they say that are the Warriors and it will change pretty quickly again in the next few days.

I don't get to say that the Warriors will be definitely favourites against us. Just imagine that we win 4-0 to the Mavs and the Warriors win 4-3 to the Grizzlies...what are gonna say then "the experts" from the bets sites?

Do we care about the betting sites? Please let them keep rolling the dice

What so many fail to understand is that favorites, spreads, lines, odds, may initially be set by the casinos.....

BUT, from then on any changes in favorites, odds, spreads, etc, is driven by bettors and how the money comes in.

Vegas (or online betting sites) want even money on both sides, so say Phx was slighty favored to win a series against the Warriors, and a ton of Bay Area fans (those people have a lot of money....Silicon Valley you know) bet on the Warriors to win, loving their odds because they are underdogs.

This will impact and move the odds in favor of Golden State, and suddenly they are the favorite. Then money may come in on the Suns, with Suns fans getting good odds being the underdog, and it moves slightly the other way.

Same goes for individual games. Warriors are favored by 7, and a bunch of Suns fans take the points thinking they lose by less than 7 (if they lose at all), and the spread moves to GS favored by 3, so GS fans bet more on it thinking most games are at least decided by 3. So it moves to 5.

If you want to look at odds strictly based on play, players on teams, their road to the finals, etc, 538 (though many say it's **** since no one can predict anything with certainty) is the best site. It's all based on a model.

[bwgood77]

About Jordan Poole and a max. 34 points on 60% shooting overall and 50% from 3 (on 10 attempts!). along with 9 assists, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks, is max contract type of play.

Ja Morant with a huge game too with 34 on solid shooting percentages from 2 and 3 (though nothing like Poole), along with 10 assists, 9 rebounds and 3 steals is big.

JJJ impressive too with 33 points on over 50% shooting and 67% from 3 (on 9 attempts!) is big.

This should be a great series.

I wish Memphis would have won.

[TeamTragic]

About Jordan Poole and a max. 34 points on 60% shooting overall and 50% from 3 (on 10 attempts!). along with 9 assists, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks, is max contract type of play.

Ja Morant with a huge game too with 34 on solid shooting percentages from 2 and 3 (though nothing like Poole), along with 10 assists, 9 rebounds and 3 steals is big.

JJJ impressive too with 33 points on over 50% shooting and 67% from 3 (on 9 attempts!) is big.

This should be a great series.

I wish Memphis would have won.

You know what I see looking at those stats?

NO DEFENSE

[starbosa10]

About Jordan Poole and a max. 34 points on 60% shooting overall and 50% from 3 (on 10 attempts!). along with 9 assists, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks, is max contract type of play.

Ja Morant with a huge game too with 34 on solid shooting percentages from 2 and 3 (though nothing like Poole), along with 10 assists, 9 rebounds and 3 steals is big.

JJJ impressive too with 33 points on over 50% shooting and 67% from 3 (on 9 attempts!) is big.

This should be a great series.

I wish Memphis would have won.

This could be over in 5 tbh. I don't think Memphis can keep up this level of 3pt shooting

[Revived]

Except they are not considered the favorite at all. GSW are…..

Four days ago we were considered the favourites to win it all by all those sites...now they say that are the Warriors and it will change pretty quickly again in the next few days.

I don't get to say that the Warriors will be definitely favourites against us. Just imagine that we win 4-0 to the Mavs and the Warriors win 4-3 to the Grizzlies...what are gonna say then "the experts" from the bets sites?

Whether you are the favorite or not is about how you're playing lately, and what players you have that are currently healthy. Your logic of "well the Suns went to the finals last year so they have to be the favorites" doesn't hold up. What makes you a favorite or an underdog is about how you look right now, not how you looked last year.

Exactly. Right now, the betting sites look it as the Suns needing unworldly performances from 37 yr old CP3 to get past the #8 seed Pelicans in the first round. Booker is back but possibly gimpy and who knows how long before he’s back to normal. Maybe next game maybe next week. Role players outside of Bridges/Ayton were all very bad the entire series basically. Based on all that info, it’s not shocking that yeah GSW is the betting favorite to advance to the Finals.

[BVPN]

Cam Payne will have to guard Poole quite a bit most likely…hope he’s up for it.

[bwgood77]

Four days ago we were considered the favourites to win it all by all those sites...now they say that are the Warriors and it will change pretty quickly again in the next few days.

I don't get to say that the Warriors will be definitely favourites against us. Just imagine that we win 4-0 to the Mavs and the Warriors win 4-3 to the Grizzlies...what are gonna say then "the experts" from the bets sites?

Whether you are the favorite or not is about how you're playing lately, and what players you have that are currently healthy. Your logic of "well the Suns went to the finals last year so they have to be the favorites" doesn't hold up. What makes you a favorite or an underdog is about how you look right now, not how you looked last year.

Exactly. Right now, the betting sites look it as the Suns needing unworldly performances from 37 yr old CP3 to get past the #8 seed Pelicans in the first round. Booker is back but possibly gimpy and who knows how long before he’s back to normal. Maybe next game maybe next week. Role players outside of Bridges/Ayton were all very bad the entire series basically. Based on all that info, it’s not shocking that yeah GSW is the betting favorite to advance to the Finals.

Yes, given their easy dispatching of the Nuggets and our issues, a lot more money has probably come in on the Warriors.

[Revived]

The biggest difference to me watching the GSW game was how good their bench is. Jordan Poole off the bench is just unfair. His matchup in a hypothetical series with the Suns being Cam Payne is just a joke and honestly an unfair advantage to the Warriors.

And Booker did not play well against the Warriors this season. He averaged 15 PPG on 28% FG and 20% 3FG. They’ve done a great job on him.

Let’s just hope if Suns advance, that Memphis can knock them out somehow. Memphis isn’t an easy walk in the park either at all but still think GSW is the tougher matchup of the two.

[sunsbg]

You know what I see looking at those stats?

NO DEFENSE

I hope so because both teams were very impressive with how fast they played and how well they shot the ball for 3. Key for Suns would be to slow down the game, defend the 3 and make use of Ayton because only advantage we have is from midrange and under the rim.

As for the favourite thing I personally don't care much for the betting odds, but so far in the playoffs Warriors look better and they won the regular season matchup, so hard to think we are the favourites in any way. Then with Middleton back we have a history in the finals vs Bucks saying otherwise. As I said earlier I need to see them crush the Mavs to get my confidence back.

[RunDogGun]

The biggest difference to me watching the GSW game was how good their bench is. Jordan Poole off the bench is just unfair. His matchup in a hypothetical series with the Suns being Cam Payne is just a joke and honestly an unfair advantage to the Warriors.

And Booker did not play well against the Warriors this season. He averaged 15 PPG on 28% FG and 20% 3FG. They’ve done a great job on him.

Let’s just hope if Suns advance, that Memphis can knock them out somehow. Memphis isn’t an easy walk in the park either at all but still think GSW is the tougher matchup of the two.

I would put Holiday on Poole, but Monty will probably go with Payne or Shamet. (if both teams advance)

[TeamTragic]

Pelicans just said NO to the Zion max

[thamadkant]

About the Suns Warriors discussions here... using the 4 games this season both statistically and eye-test.... Warriors are favourites over Suns.

Unless Monty does something about Ayton's advantage and actually go through him to throw off Warriors who are expecting a shoot out from 3pt and mid range against the suns of which they've game planned well against so far.

[TeamTragic]

About the Suns Warriors discussions here... using the 4 games this season both statistically and eye-test.... Warriors are favourites over Suns.

Unless Monty does something about Ayton's advantage and actually go through him to throw off Warriors who are expecting a shoot out from 3pt and mid range against the suns of which they've game planned well against so far.

How are they going to stop Ayton? Booker? CP3?

[lilfishi22]

About the Suns Warriors discussions here... using the 4 games this season both statistically and eye-test.... Warriors are favourites over Suns.

Unless Monty does something about Ayton's advantage and actually go through him to throw off Warriors who are expecting a shoot out from 3pt and mid range against the suns of which they've game planned well against so far.

How are they going to stop Ayton? Booker? CP3?

They've done it before. Not stop but limited.

3 games against GSW, Book averaged 15/3/2 on 29% FG% and 20% from 3 (-5.3)
4 games against GSW, CP3 averaged 16/4/9 on 54% FG% and 27% from 3 (+1.4)
4 games against GSW, DA averaged 20/10 on 53% FG% (+0.4)

That's a combined -3.5